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  • L WASDYKE
    Follow up I checked the valve clearances and maybe I was lucky or the Haynes Manuel s 6000 mile  increment is off.   I have 9800 miles and only found one
    Message 1 of 22 , Apr 17, 2013
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      Follow up
      I checked the valve clearances and maybe I was lucky or the Haynes Manuel's 6000 mile  increment is off.   I have 9800 miles and only found one valve border line.  Like the webbikeworld.com   article indicated the worst part of the job was getting the valve cover back on.  I cut the wire ties and moved the wires to the right side of frame and replaced them when I was done. 
       
       My next endeavor is to replace the rear pirelli with an  Avon Road Rider.  I put one on the front in the late fall and was happy with how the bike handled.
       
      Curious, are there any other t-bird owners in north New Jersey.? 
       
       

      --- On Fri, 4/12/13, L WASDYKE <lm.wasdyke@...> wrote:


      From: L WASDYKE <lm.wasdyke@...>
      Subject: Re: [T TBS R] Re: Valve Adjustment
      To: triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Friday, April 12, 2013, 6:56 PM



       



      Thank you
       
      I saved the link it will be a great help. I plan on starting later this weekend.   I purchased the valve cover gasket as the dealer had it in stock.  Part number T1260192 included the 2nd and third spark plug seals.  The next hurdle will be the rear tire going to go with the Avon Road Rider I put one on the front in the fall can't complain.
       
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      From: thusprt04 <dalt017@...>
      Subject: [T TBS R] Re: Valve Adjustment
      To: triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Friday, April 12, 2013, 8:55 AM

       

      If you haven't seen this link, it's a good step-by-step guide and better picture quality than the haynes manual! -

      http://www.webbikeworld.com/t2/valves/

      --- In triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com, L WASDYKE <lm.wasdyke@...> wrote:
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      > I have the Haynes manual it lists  checking the valve clearances every 6000 mile.
      > I'm  about to tackle this job my self.  I only have 9500 miles on my 2002 standard
      > Thunderbird, I dint think I should have any ware problems with chain and tension blade.   I would be thankful for any pointers.
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      > Subject: [T TBS R] Re: Valve Adjustment
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      > Date: Tuesday, April 9, 2013, 8:20 AM
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      > $1000 for a valve adjustment is daylight robbery, Find another dealer!
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      > > Pretty casual NYC rider and not so handy beyond basic tune-up but faithful to my 98 T-Bird Sport. Simple question: is there any unwritten rule about how often to do a valve check & adjustment? My usual shop is recommending it, not sure based on what, and I am too proud to admit my ignorance and they are quoting me >$1,000. Any words of wisdom?
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    • John Shaw
      Hi: Last year I was getting a mild swishing sound, and slightly less damping, from the front end. It seems to have got worse over the winter, based on first
      Message 2 of 22 , Apr 11, 2014
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        Hi:

         

        Last year I was getting a mild swishing sound, and slightly less damping, from the front end.  It seems to have got worse over the winter, based on first ride yesterday when I did not get a real warm feeling (at all!) when hitting the many potholes out from the especially cold winter.

         

        It’s a pain to get the bike in to a reputable shop based on where I live, and I have some time on my hands and my garage is empty (rare – LOL) so I was thinking of fixing it myself.

         

        How hard is it to purge the fluid on the front end, that what this was last time. I did quick look and it seems to need special tools, but it was not the best description so does someone know an good online set by step instructions and if tools are really needed is there an online source? 

         

        Any opinions on how likely it needs parts replaced given this is the second time (the last was 5? years ago) and this will start happening more often and I should be replacing seals or whatever at the same time.

         

        2001 TBS.

         

        John (Newmarket Ontario)

      • Gary Gavin
        IIRC you can replace the oil in the forks without the need for special tools. You ll need to be able to support the front of the bike to be able to remove both
        Message 3 of 22 , Apr 11, 2014
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          IIRC you can replace the oil in the forks without the need for special tools. You'll need to be able to support the front of the bike to be able to remove both fork legs and things attached to them. The Haynes Triumph Triples & Fours manual is a good reference for doing most things on your bike. You might need some sockets that aren't included in sets but the special fork tools are only needed if you are going to completely disassemble the fork and replace the fork seals. Even then inventive owners have found workarounds.

          I'm wondering if the sloshing noise is from water leaking past the seals and mixing with the oil.

          Gare'
          98 TBS
        • John Shaw
          Thanks, I ll give it a try. From: triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Gavin
          Message 4 of 22 , Apr 11, 2014
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            Thanks, I’ll give it a try.

             

            From: triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Gavin
            Sent: April 11, 2014 3:41 PM
            To: triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [T TBS R] Air In the Front Forks

             

             

            IIRC you can replace the oil in the forks without the need for special tools. You'll need to be able to support the front of the bike to be able to remove both fork legs and things attached to them. The Haynes Triumph Triples & Fours manual is a good reference for doing most things on your bike. You might need some sockets that aren't included in sets but the special fork tools are only needed if you are going to completely disassemble the fork and replace the fork seals. Even then inventive owners have found workarounds.

             

            I'm wondering if the sloshing noise is from water leaking past the seals and mixing with the oil.


            Gare'

            98 TBS

          • Jim Eichhorn
            +1   ________________________________ From: Gary Gavin To: triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014
            Message 5 of 22 , Apr 12, 2014
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              +1

               

              From: Gary Gavin <gary.l.gavin@...>
              To: triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 3:41 PM
              Subject: Re: [T TBS R] Air In the Front Forks

               
              IIRC you can replace the oil in the forks without the need for special tools. You'll need to be able to support the front of the bike to be able to remove both fork legs and things attached to them. The Haynes Triumph Triples & Fours manual is a good reference for doing most things on your bike. You might need some sockets that aren't included in sets but the special fork tools are only needed if you are going to completely disassemble the fork and replace the fork seals. Even then inventive owners have found workarounds.

              I'm wondering if the sloshing noise is from water leaking past the seals and mixing with the oil.

              Gare'
              98 TBS


            • John Shaw
              Thanks, I will get a copy. I looked at the seals and everything I see looks pristine to my untrained eye, the bike is stored inside but I don’t avoid the
              Message 6 of 22 , Apr 12, 2014
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                Thanks, I will get a copy.

                I looked at the seals and everything I see looks pristine to my untrained eye, the bike is stored inside but I don’t avoid the rain while riding either.

                John

                From: triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jim Eichhorn
                Sent: April 12, 2014 8:29 AM
                To: triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [T TBS R] Air In the Front Forks

                 

                 

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                From: Gary Gavin <gary.l.gavin@...>
                To: triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 3:41 PM
                Subject: Re: [T TBS R] Air In the Front Forks

                 

                 

                IIRC you can replace the oil in the forks without the need for special tools. You'll need to be able to support the front of the bike to be able to remove both fork legs and things attached to them. The Haynes Triumph Triples & Fours manual is a good reference for doing most things on your bike. You might need some sockets that aren't included in sets but the special fork tools are only needed if you are going to completely disassemble the fork and replace the fork seals. Even then inventive owners have found workarounds.

                 

                I'm wondering if the sloshing noise is from water leaking past the seals and mixing with the oil.


                Gare'

                98 TBS

                 

              • John Shaw
                Hi: Got a bit of a puddle under the forks. Was considering fixing it myself, nearest dealers are 1.5 hours and local bikes shops have not been good to me on
                Message 7 of 22 , May 24
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                  Hi:

                   

                  Got a bit of a puddle under the forks.  Was considering fixing it myself, nearest dealers are 1.5 hours and local bikes shops have not been good to me on this model.

                   

                  Reading the manual it refers to a couple of special tools for filing and removing parts.  Are these really required?

                  Has anyone done fixed theirs and posted a video to help a first timer (I don’t see anything on the Yahoo site)

                   

                  Thanks for any information you may have

                   

                  John

                • Jim Eichhorn
                  Hey, John. You won t need any special tools, per se. You can use a length of pvc to drive your new fork seals into place, assuming that is your issue. Measure
                  Message 8 of 22 , May 24
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                    Hey, John. You won't need any special tools, per se. You can use a length of pvc to drive your new fork seals into place, assuming that is your issue. Measure the amount of oil contained in the side that isn't leaking by draining it completely into a graduated measuring container so you'll know how much to add after re-assembly. The Thunderbird really isn't all that different from other machines of the era with respect to removing and disassembling the forks, so many videos of the process for a similar machine should point you in the right direction. All the better with manual in hand and a good set of metric Allen sockets. Give it a try!



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                    On Sun, May 24, 2015 4:48 PM EDT 'John Shaw' horton@... [triumphthunderbirdsportriders] wrote:

                    >Hi:
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                    >Got a bit of a puddle under the forks. Was considering fixing it myself,
                    >nearest dealers are 1.5 hours and local bikes shops have not been good to me
                    >on this model.
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                    >Reading the manual it refers to a couple of special tools for filing and
                    >removing parts. Are these really required?
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                    >Has anyone done fixed theirs and posted a video to help a first timer (I
                    >don't see anything on the Yahoo site)
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                    >Thanks for any information you may have
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                    >John
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                  • Dennis Young
                    Hi,Ijust did my forks for the 1st time.U can use homemade tools.Theres plenty of help on You Tube.Good luck On Sunday, May 24, 2015 3:47 PM, John Shaw
                    Message 9 of 22 , May 24
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                      Hi,Ijust did my forks for the 1st time.U can use homemade tools.Theres plenty of help on You Tube.Good luck


                      On Sunday, May 24, 2015 3:47 PM, "'John Shaw' horton@... [triumphthunderbirdsportriders]" <triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


                       
                      Hi:
                       
                      Got a bit of a puddle under the forks.  Was considering fixing it myself, nearest dealers are 1.5 hours and local bikes shops have not been good to me on this model.
                       
                      Reading the manual it refers to a couple of special tools for filing and removing parts.  Are these really required?
                      Has anyone done fixed theirs and posted a video to help a first timer (I don’t see anything on the Yahoo site)
                       
                      Thanks for any information you may have
                       
                      John


                    • Jim Eichhorn
                      I ve found a nice write-up with pics on triumphrat.net for fork seals on a Hinckley Bonneville. Very similar set-up to the TBS. ... #yiv1550465467ygrp-mkp
                      Message 10 of 22 , May 24
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                        I've found a nice write-up with pics on triumphrat.net for fork seals on a Hinckley Bonneville. Very similar set-up to the TBS.



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                        On Sun, May 24, 2015 11:16 PM EDT Dennis Young dustyyoung1950@... [triumphthunderbirdsportriders] wrote:

                        >Hi,Ijust did my forks for the 1st time.U can use homemade tools.Theres plenty of help on You Tube.Good luck
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                        > On Sunday, May 24, 2015 3:47 PM, "'John Shaw' horton@... [triumphthunderbirdsportriders]" <triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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                        >   Hi:  Got a bit of a puddle under the forks.  Was considering fixing it myself, nearest dealers are 1.5 hours and local bikes shops have not been good to me on this model.  Reading the manual it refers to a couple of special tools for filing and removing parts.  Are these really required?Has anyone done fixed theirs and posted a video to help a first timer (I don’t see anything on the Yahoo site)  Thanks for any information you may have  John #yiv1550465467 #yiv1550465467 -- #yiv1550465467ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv1550465467 #yiv1550465467ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv1550465467 #yiv1550465467ygrp-mkp #yiv1550465467hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv1550465467 #yiv1550465467ygrp-mkp #yiv1550465467ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv1550465467 #yiv1550465467ygrp-mkp .yiv1550465467ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv1550465467
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                      • John Shaw
                        Thanks for the 3 replies. I have decided this is doable myself based on these replies and the threads it led to. From:
                        Message 11 of 22 , May 25
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                          Thanks for the 3 replies.  I have decided this is doable myself based on these replies and the threads it led to.

                           

                          From: triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com]
                          Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2015 11:25 PM
                          To: triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: Re: Fw: [T TBS R] Leaking Front Forks

                           

                           


                          I've found a nice write-up with pics on triumphrat.net for fork seals on a Hinckley Bonneville. Very similar set-up to the TBS.

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                          On Sun, May 24, 2015 11:16 PM EDT Dennis Young dustyyoung1950@... [triumphthunderbirdsportriders] wrote:

                          >Hi,Ijust did my forks for the 1st time.U can use homemade tools.Theres plenty of help on You Tube.Good luck
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                          > On Sunday, May 24, 2015 3:47 PM, "'John Shaw' horton@... [triumphthunderbirdsportriders]" <triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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                          >   Hi:  Got a bit of a puddle under the forks.  Was considering fixing it myself, nearest dealers are 1.5 hours and local bikes shops have not been good to me on this model.  Reading the manual it refers to a couple of special tools for filing and removing parts.  Are these really required?Has anyone done fixed theirs and posted a video to help a first timer (I don’t see anything on the Yahoo site)  Thanks for any information you may have  John #yiv1550465467 #yiv1550465467 -- #yiv1550465467ygrp-mkp {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px 0;padding:0 10px;}#yiv1550465467 #yiv1550465467ygrp-mkp hr {border:1px solid #d8d8d8;}#yiv1550465467 #yiv1550465467ygrp-mkp #yiv1550465467hd {color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px 0;}#yiv1550465467 #yiv1550465467ygrp-mkp #yiv1550465467ads {margin-bottom:10px;}#yiv1550465467 #yiv1550465467ygrp-mkp .yiv1550465467ad {padding:0 0;}#yiv1550465467
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                        • John Cooper
                          On 5/25/2015 8:39 AM, John Shaw horton@adlib.ca ... yes, do-able without special tools. Before you install the spring, put in the oil and pump the damper to
                          Message 12 of 22 , May 25
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                            On 5/25/2015 8:39 AM, 'John Shaw' horton@... [triumphthunderbirdsportriders] wrote:
                            I have decided this is doable myself based on these replies and the threads it led to.
                            yes, do-able without special tools.

                            Before you install the spring, put in the oil and pump the damper to expell any air. Oil level is 145mm from the top with the shock compressed and the spring out.  They specify SAE 5.

                            -- 
                            John
                            Skyport East
                            www.skyportservices.net
                          • rbthuffman
                            You might want to check out this inexpensive product first; Fix Leaking Fork Seals With | SealMate.net http://www.sealmate.net http://www.sealmate.net Fix
                            Message 13 of 22 , May 25
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                              You might want to check out this inexpensive product first;


                              Fix Leaking Fork Seals With | SealMate.net


                              It worked for me, amazingly enough. Under 10 bucks. Good luck.

                            • John Shaw
                              This may stop some cases of leak, but what do I do about all the missing oil? I dumped a fair amount out on the ground before I noticed. From:
                              Message 14 of 22 , May 25
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                                This may stop some cases of leak, but what do I do about all the missing oil?  I dumped a fair amount out on the ground before I noticed.

                                From: triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com [mailto:triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com]
                                Sent: Monday, May 25, 2015 11:54 AM
                                To: triumphthunderbirdsportriders@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: [T TBS R] Re: Leaking Front Forks

                                 

                                 

                                You might want to check out this inexpensive product first;

                                 

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                              • sp33d3
                                Seams like the Seal Mate type of solution only works for minor leaks, when here is a significant amount of dirt trapped under the fork seal lip causing the
                                Message 15 of 22 , May 26
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                                  Seams like the Seal Mate type of solution only works for minor leaks, when here is a significant amount of dirt trapped under the fork seal lip causing the mall leak. I think this is most likely only on dirt bikes.

                                   

                                  I've fixed a couple of minor leaks caused by dirt, on dirt bikes, using the Seal Mate method (but I just used a very thin feeler guage, 0.06mm I believe).

                                   

                                  I suspect though that if you have a substantial leak, like yours (i.e. not just wet tubes but you actually have a 'puddle' which is pretty bloody substantial, even if its a just a small puddle) then this method is unlikely to work. It's worth a try though I guess.

                                   

                                  If you end up replacing the seal make sure you check the fork tubes for pitting/stone chips in the chrome surface. On these old bkes the chrome was pretty easilly damaged by stones... hittng them and the resultant tiny ding could easilly have sharpish edes that woud then damage the forks seals when they'd slide over them. Polishing the sharp/roughness away (1000 and 2000 grit sandpaper, then buff with a rotry tool/wheel & suitable metal polish) can eliinate the problem cause and save you simply damaging a new seal...

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