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Re: Switching from beacon to digi remotely

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  • gsdatplace
    ... Doh! I m hoping upgrade boards for the T(x)-301 s will be available? ;) Oh, and since I replied lol, and was thinking of profile switching & scripting (via
    Message 1 of 20 , Jul 25, 2011
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      --- In tracker2@yahoogroups.com, Scott Miller <scott@...> wrote:
      >Maybe when the OT3 is done it'll still have enough room to
      >expand scripting and add string processing and position-based actions.

      Doh! I'm hoping upgrade boards for the T(x)-301's will be available?

      ;)

      Oh, and since I replied lol, and was thinking of profile switching & scripting (via the config program), a "check" feature would be a nice addition to see if there was a valid (or not empty) callsign in one profile or the other before writing, or some additional checks maybe on a few fields that can cause non-normal operation... (James may agree.)

      We recently had a local flight where the programmer (not James or I) missed entering a callsign into the second profile which went active above 10K feet... Packets were still being sent, but with no callsign they weren't decodeable or displayable in tracking software...

      The package was recovered later luckily, apparently very close to being crushed in a rock crusher by a observant employee of a mine.

      Having a check to make sure the callsign field was actually filled, or if empty just copied the call from the other profile, popped a warning, or even sub'd a "NOCALL" callsign when write was hit would have minimized the stress in sure James felt (I was safe and snug in my office chair).

      Just a idea to make "improper" configurations less likely to happen.

      Garrett
      VE6RKY
    • Mike Morin
      Scott, I am sending a MGS with the txt CMD_PROFILE_2 and the MSG is sent from a call that I have setup in Access List and I get a MSG back saying REJ_n. I my
      Message 2 of 20 , Jul 25, 2011
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        Scott,

        I am sending a MGS with the txt CMD_PROFILE_2 and the MSG is sent from a call that I have setup in "Access List" and I get a MSG back saying REJ_n.

        I my missing something?

        Is their a complete list of CMD someware?

        Thanks,

        Mike
        VE7MMG

        --- In tracker2@yahoogroups.com, Scott Miller <scott@...> wrote:
        >
        > You could either set up two profiles and use CMD PROFILE n to switch, or
        > set up a macro to set whatever parameters you want. Right now there's
        > no way to act on a received position.
        >
        > Scott
        >
      • Scott Miller
        ... Yeah, we ll sell those separately. Trying to figure out if there s a way I can add a USB connector to the FC-301/D... ... The default is NOCALL. You d
        Message 3 of 20 , Jul 26, 2011
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          > Doh! I'm hoping upgrade boards for the T(x)-301's will be available?

          Yeah, we'll sell those separately. Trying to figure out if there's a
          way I can add a USB connector to the FC-301/D...

          > We recently had a local flight where the programmer (not James or I)
          > missed entering a callsign into the second profile which went active
          > above 10K feet... Packets were still being sent, but with no callsign
          > they weren't decodeable or displayable in tracking software...

          The default is NOCALL. You'd have to manually change it to make it blank.

          Scott
        • Scott Miller
          ... Can you send me the output of the AUTHLIST command (locally at the T2 s command prompt), and capture the message packet as it s shown on the T2? You ll
          Message 4 of 20 , Jul 27, 2011
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            > I am sending a MGS with the txt CMD_PROFILE_2 and the MSG is sent from a
            > call that I have setup in "Access List" and I get a MSG back saying REJ_n.

            Can you send me the output of the AUTHLIST command (locally at the T2's
            command prompt), and capture the message packet as it's shown on the T2?

            You'll want to make sure PWAUTH is off if you're not using the one-time
            password system.

            > Is their a complete list of CMD someware?

            The manual indicates which commands are local only.

            Scott
          • James Ewen
            ... Here s a list of the messages sent along with the responses from Big White. Messages were originated from three separate stations, VE7MMG-1, VE7MMG-5 and
            Message 5 of 20 , Jul 27, 2011
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              On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Mike Morin <mike@...> wrote:

              > I am sending a MGS with the txt CMD_PROFILE_2 and the MSG is sent from a
              > call that I have setup in "Access List" and I get a MSG back saying REJ_n.

              Here's a list of the messages sent along with the responses from Big White.

              Messages were originated from three separate stations, VE7MMG-1, VE7MMG-5 and VE7MMG. The first two messages sent to Big White were not valid commands, just plain old messages. The first valid command sent though (CMD VERSION) got a reject response. There were a total of 8 valid commands sent out of 19 attempts. As with when working with any computer, spelling DOES count.

              2011-07-26 06:11:37 UTC: VE7MMG-1>APU25N,WIDE2-2,qAR,VA7YLW-15::BGWHTE   :PROFILE2{03
              2011-07-26 06:11:39 UTC: BGWHTE>APOT21,WIDE2-1,qAR,VA7YLW-15::VE7MMG-1 :ack03
              2011-07-26 06:12:04 UTC: VE7MMG-1>APU25N,WIDE2-2,qAR,VA7YLW-15::BGWHTE   :LIST{04
              2011-07-26 06:12:07 UTC: BGWHTE>APOT21,WIDE2-1,qAR,VA7YLW-15::VE7MMG-1 :ack04
              2011-07-26 06:16:33 UTC: VE7MMG-1>APU25N,WIDE2-2,qAR,VA7YLW-15::BGWHTE   :CMD VERSION{05
              2011-07-26 06:16:35 UTC: BGWHTE>APOT21,WIDE2-1,qAR,VA7YLW-15::VE7MMG-1 :rej05
              2011-07-26 06:32:21 UTC: VE7MMG-1>APU25N,WIDE2-2,qAR,VA7YLW-15::BGWHTE   :CMD PRIFILE 2{06
              2011-07-26 06:32:25 UTC: BGWHTE>APOT21,WIDE2-1,qAR,VA7YLW-15::VE7MMG-1 :rej06
              2011-07-26 06:33:23 UTC: VE7MMG-1>APU25N,WIDE2-2,qAR,VA7YLW-15::BGWHTE   :CMD PROFILE2{07
              2011-07-26 06:33:27 UTC: BGWHTE>APOT21,WIDE2-1,qAR,VE7EOK::VE7MMG-1 :rej07
              2011-07-26 06:33:57 UTC: VE7MMG-1>APU25N,WIDE2-2,qAR,VA7YLW-15::BGWHTE   :CMD VERSION{08
              2011-07-26 06:35:44 UTC: VE7MMG-1>APU25N,qAR,VA7YLW-15::BGWHTE   :CMD VERSION{09
              2011-07-26 06:35:45 UTC: BGWHTE>APOT21,WIDE2-1,qAR,VA7YLW-15::VE7MMG-1 :rej09
              2011-07-26 06:36:16 UTC: VE7MMG-1>APU25N,qAR,VA7YLW-15::BGWHTE   :CMD{10
              2011-07-26 06:36:17 UTC: BGWHTE>APOT21,WIDE2-1,qAR,VA7YLW-15::VE7MMG-1 :rej10


              2011-07-26 06:19:59 UTC: VE7MMG-5>APK102,KRYSTL,WIDE1*,WIDE2-2,qAR,VA7YLW-15::BGWHTE   :CMD version{5
              2011-07-26 06:20:03 UTC: BGWHTE>APOT21,WIDE2-1,qAR,VA7YLW-15::VE7MMG-5 :rej5
              2011-07-26 06:21:44 UTC: VE7MMG-5>APK102,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2,qAR,VA7YLW-15::BGWHTE   :CMD version{6
              2011-07-26 06:21:49 UTC: BGWHTE>APOT21,VA7YLW-1,WIDE2*,qAR,VE7EOK::VE7MMG-5 :rej6
              2011-07-26 06:22:37 UTC: VE7MMG-5>APK102,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2,qAR,VA7YLW-15::BGWHTE   :CMD LIST{7
              2011-07-26 06:22:39 UTC: BGWHTE>APOT21,WIDE2-1,qAR,VA7YLW-15::VE7MMG-5 :rej7
              2011-07-26 06:36:43 UTC: VE7MMG-5>APK102,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2,qAR,VA7WS::BGWHTE   :CMD{8
              2011-07-26 06:36:45 UTC: BGWHTE>APOT21,WIDE2-1,qAR,VA7YLW-15::VE7MMG-5 :rej8
              2011-07-26 06:38:36 UTC: VE7MMG-5>APK102,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2,qAR,VA7WS::BGWHTE   :CMD PROFILE 2{9
              2011-07-26 06:38:37 UTC: BGWHTE>APOT21,WIDE2-1,qAR,VE7EOK::VE7MMG-5 :rej9


              2011-07-26 06:40:37 UTC: VE7MMG>APK102,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2,qAR,VA7YLW-15::BGWHTE   :CMD{8
              2011-07-26 06:40:41 UTC: BGWHTE>APOT21,VE7RKA*,WIDE2,qAR,VE7RXD-9::VE7MMG   :rej8
              2011-07-26 06:40:43 UTC: VE7MMG>APK102,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2,qAR,VA7YLW-15::BGWHTE   :CMD PROFILE 2{9
              2011-07-26 06:41:31 UTC: BGWHTE>APOT21,WIDE2-1,qAR,VE7EOK::VE7MMG   :rej9
              2011-07-26 06:40:50 UTC: VE7MMG>APK102,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2,qAR,VA7WS::BGWHTE   :CMD PROFILE 2{10
              2011-07-26 06:40:52 UTC: BGWHTE>APOT21,WIDE2-1,qAR,VE7EOK::VE7MMG   :rej10
              2011-07-26 06:41:43 UTC: VE7MMG>APK102,WIDE1-1,WIDE2-2,qAR,VE7EOK::BGWHTE   :CMD PROFILE2{11
              2011-07-26 06:41:46 UTC: BGWHTE>APOT21,WIDE2-1,qAR,VA7YLW-15::VE7MMG   :rej11
              2011-07-26 06:43:36 UTC: VE7MMG>APK102,KRYSTL,WIDE1*,WIDE2-2,qAR,VA7YLW-15::BGWHTE   :CMD PROFILE2{12
              2011-07-26 06:43:36 UTC: BGWHTE>APOT21,VA7YLW-1,WIDE2*,qAR,VA7WS::VE7MMG   :rej12
              2011-07-26 06:44:50 UTC: VE7MMG>APK102,KRYSTL,WIDE1*,WIDE2-2,qAR,VA7YLW-15::BGWHTE   :CMDPROFILE2{13

              > I my missing something?

              As above, you do need to send valid commands in the messages.You also need to have the station authorized to send commands to the unit. Are you SURE that VE7MMG is in the AUTHLIST? The only acks that you got back were when you sent plain messages to the unit, which does not require authorization. 

              Do you have a copy of your configuration parameters saved somewhere? Open the OTWINCFG program, select offline mode, and load up the configuration that you have saved. Check your AUTHLIST to see what you have saved in the machine. I'd bet you a dollar that VE7MMG isn't in the list.

              > Is their a complete list of CMD someware?

              The full command list is available on pages 25 - 32 in the user manual located here:


              Remote access is described on page 10.

              Security if you are so inclined is described on page 11.

              When configured properly, and sent valid commands, the OT2 will respond. Here's some remote commands that I just sent, and responses back.

              2011-07-27 18:19:13 UTC: VE6SRV>EDSON: CMD VERSION
              2011-07-27 18:21:17 UTC: EDSON>VE6SRV: Tracker2 Build 55076
              2011-07-27 18:28:09 UTC: VE6SRV>EDSON: cmd info
              2011-07-27 18:28:20 UTC: VE6SRV>EDSON: cmd alarmack
              2011-07-27 18:31:32 UTC: EDSON>VE6SRV: Edson Alarm Acknowledged
              2011-07-27 18:33:04 UTC: EDSON>VE6SRV: Edson Alarm Acknowledged
              2011-07-27 18:35:12 UTC: EDSON>VE6SRV: Tracker2 Build 55076
              2011-07-27 18:36:15 UTC: EDSON>VE6SRV: TEMP:18C VOLT:14.27 RX:30616 FCS:38397 DIGI:26771 CFG:1 PWD:65535


              These messages were sent via the web interface at openaprs.org, gated onto the RF network probably in Edmonton through one of the i-gates there (can't tell who pushed it to RF from the APRS-IS) and then a hop or two out to the digipeater. The responses came back hopping through EVNBRG and then into the APRS-IS via the VA6KRM-10 i-gate in Edmonton.

              You can see that there were at least a couple tries to get the information out to, or back from the digipeater for a couple commands that I sent, which results in a couple duplicate responses, as well as responses out of order.

              BTW you might notice the cmd "alarmack", which you won't find in the OT2 user manual. That is a macro that I created to reset my alarm trigger bit, and then send me a message back letting me know that the command was received and acted upon, making the voltage monitoring routine ready to send me an email upon the next low voltage event.  

              --
              James
              VE6SRV

            • James Ewen
              ... Did you come up with any questions or ideas that you want to implement yet? -- James VE6SRV
              Message 6 of 20 , Jul 28, 2011
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                On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:02 PM, <kc8sfq@...> wrote:

                > Please don't take this thread private, unless you feel you must.
                > I, for one am following (and taking notes) with interest.
                > This sounds like something a couple hams in my area want to do.

                Did you come up with any questions or ideas that you want to implement yet?
                --
                James
                VE6SRV
              • kc8sfq@mei.net
                Hi James: Our plan is much like the SAR requirement. We ll probably have 3-6 vehicles and/or walkers in an RF poor environment. By that I mean hilly terrain
                Message 7 of 20 , Aug 1, 2011
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                  Hi James:
                  Our plan is much like the SAR requirement. We'll probably have 3-6 vehicles and/or walkers in an RF poor environment. By that I mean hilly terrain and less than optimum digi coverage. This probably with no high profile digi at all. All we'll likely have is what we bring with us. The other restriction is money. We're working with old equipment (mostly). So far, all we have are two OT1X's two OT2m's and a hand full of HT's. I liked the idea of having an ad-hoc net of the people in the field.

                  73 Ron
                  +++++++++++++++++++++++++
                  > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:02 PM, <kc8sfq@...> wrote:
                  >
                  >> Please don't take this thread private, unless you feel you must.
                  >> I, for one am following (and taking notes) with interest.
                  >> This sounds like something a couple hams in my area want to do.
                  >
                  > Did you come up with any questions or ideas that you want to implement
                  > yet?
                  > --
                  > James
                  > VE6SRV
                  >
                • Mike Morin
                  It seems that the easiest way to is sending a CMD switching profile when their is a search in those blind spots and switching it off afterwards. Thanks for all
                  Message 8 of 20 , Aug 1, 2011
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                    It seems that the easiest way to is sending a CMD switching profile when their is a search in those blind spots and switching it off afterwards.

                    Thanks for all your ideas,

                    Mike
                    VE7MMG
                    --- In tracker2@yahoogroups.com, James Ewen <ve6srv@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:02 PM, <kc8sfq@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > > Please don't take this thread private, unless you feel you must.
                    > > I, for one am following (and taking notes) with interest.
                    > > This sounds like something a couple hams in my area want to do.
                    >
                    > Did you come up with any questions or ideas that you want to implement yet?
                    > --
                    > James
                    > VE6SRV
                    >
                  • M & M Neno
                    Our digi works regardless of profile, how do you do that ? 73, Murray, ZL1ARL. ... From: Mike Morin To:
                    Message 9 of 20 , Aug 2, 2011
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                      Our digi works regardless of profile, how do you do that ?

                      73, Murray, ZL1ARL.


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "Mike Morin" <mike@...>
                      To: <tracker2@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:23 PM
                      Subject: [tracker2] Re: Switching from beacon to digi remotely


                      >
                      > It seems that the easiest way to is sending a CMD switching profile when
                      > their is a search in those blind spots and switching it off afterwards.
                      >
                      > Thanks for all your ideas,
                      >
                      > Mike
                      > VE7MMG
                      > --- In tracker2@yahoogroups.com, James Ewen <ve6srv@...> wrote:
                      >>
                      >> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:02 PM, <kc8sfq@...> wrote:
                      >>
                      >> > Please don't take this thread private, unless you feel you must.
                      >> > I, for one am following (and taking notes) with interest.
                      >> > This sounds like something a couple hams in my area want to do.
                      >>
                      >> Did you come up with any questions or ideas that you want to implement
                      >> yet?
                      >> --
                      >> James
                      >> VE6SRV
                      >>
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                    • Mike Morin
                      This DIGI will be at 2800 feet 2600 M on solar power and we do not want it diging all the time, only when we have a search or quading in blind areas. Mike,
                      Message 10 of 20 , Aug 2, 2011
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                        This DIGI will be at 2800 feet 2600 M on solar power and we do not want it diging all the time, only when we have a search or quading in blind areas.

                        Mike, VE7MMG

                        --- In tracker2@yahoogroups.com, "M & M Neno" <nenos@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Our digi works regardless of profile, how do you do that ?
                        >
                        > 73, Murray, ZL1ARL.
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: "Mike Morin" <mike@...>
                        > To: <tracker2@yahoogroups.com>
                        > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:23 PM
                        > Subject: [tracker2] Re: Switching from beacon to digi remotely
                        >
                        >
                        > >
                        > > It seems that the easiest way to is sending a CMD switching profile when
                        > > their is a search in those blind spots and switching it off afterwards.
                        > >
                        > > Thanks for all your ideas,
                        > >
                        > > Mike
                        > > VE7MMG
                        > > --- In tracker2@yahoogroups.com, James Ewen <ve6srv@> wrote:
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                        > >> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 1:02 PM, <kc8sfq@> wrote:
                        > >>
                        > >> > Please don't take this thread private, unless you feel you must.
                        > >> > I, for one am following (and taking notes) with interest.
                        > >> > This sounds like something a couple hams in my area want to do.
                        > >>
                        > >> Did you come up with any questions or ideas that you want to implement
                        > >> yet?
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                        > >> VE6SRV
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                      • James Ewen
                        ... The easiest way is to start up OTWINCFG and connect into the unit. On the profile that you want the digipeater to operate, click on the Digi Config button,
                        Message 11 of 20 , Aug 2, 2011
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                          On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 2:27 AM, M & M Neno <nenos@...> wrote:

                          > Our digi works regardless of profile, how do you do that ?

                          The easiest way is to start up OTWINCFG and connect into the unit. On
                          the profile that you want the digipeater to operate, click on the Digi
                          Config button, and set up the digipeating as you would like it to
                          operate. Go to the other profile, click on Digi Config, and uncheck
                          all of the enabled buttons. Save the config to the unit.

                          I have not confirmed that the digipeater settings are unique to each
                          configuration, but running the program, it appears as such. Rudy says
                          that he has done something similar, so I would guess that it works in
                          this manner. I have never tried it personally though...

                          Again, it's one of those things where trying it and seeing if it works
                          is the best way to learn and know for sure!

                          --
                          James
                          VE6SRV
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