13704Re: [tracker2] Digi Question
- Mar 11 9:28 PMJames VE6SRV wrote...
> I fully agree with Keith's statements up until now)Maybe I should quit while I'm ahead!
> You're swimming upstream here! When you see an objectPerhaps, and I agree that to a human, a bunch of numbers will look
> with a frequency in it, it is immediately recognizable as
> repeater object. There aren't many assigned callsigns that
> are all numbers.
like a frequency... but someone with a D72 (and (I assume a D710
but can only guess about a TM-350R) can NOT hit the tune / QSY
button to automatically go to that frequency with the correct
offset and tone entered for them. It was only after I had the use
of the D72 that I was able to play around with a few things and
see if they worked or not. With the frequency as the name of
the object, I was left with a bunch of manual work to dial in a
frequency, tone and offset... not all radios do the offset
automatically. I can certainly do that, and hopefully most hams
can, but I do know that have trouble even going from memory to
VFO mode. When all they have to is hit a "tune" button, it's quick
and exact. Admittedly, only three radios are capable of this right
now, but for those that have them, it adds a whole level of
> You've been hitting the beer early today! KA5MGL is anotherOh well, as long as Mike knows the callsign to enter in the
> station entirely...
> You're going to have to fight the masses then. I like theNot if there was already a repeater object advertising its
> frequency in the object name where it is highly visible, and
> very unlikely to be mistaken for anything else. If you were
> local here in Edmonton, and I told you to meet me on the
> VE6HM repeater, the first question out of your mouth would
> be "What's the frequency?"
frequency, tone, offset and callsign. Of course, there's always
the possibility that I wouldn't want to talk to any hams in
> Why go that extra step? Why not just say "Hey Keith, meet me onYes, frequencies work for me on voice. If I was yakking with
> 444.100 MHz.". There's no mistaking that I want to meet up with
> you on the UHF side of that repeater, not the VHF side (which
> uses the same callsign).
someone else with a D72, D710 or an FM-350R, they could QSY
as many times as they wanted to and I could press a button or two
and join them with no confusion.
> The frequency is the key component of getting communicating.I take pride in knowing the callsign of local repeaters and
> The callsign is irrelevant, it is only required for government
> identification purposes.
referring to them by callsign. Sure, the government likes us to
identify too, but I take pride in my callsign as well as well as
what is around me. If I'm trying to get a visitor over to a
particular repeater, I'll give them the frequency AND the
The only reason I raised the subject of object names for repeaters
is that I've had a chance to play around with a D72 and seen why
the recommended settings just did NOT work.
> You could jump back one more step... why not use the locationYou can name it what you want, but I would recommend the callsign
> name for the object? EDMNTN-1 would work (since we're using
> EDMNTN as the digipeater alias). But then which Edmonton
> repeater are you talking about? That adds even more ambiguity
> to the mix as there are a dozen or so repeaters to choose from.
followed by -R and I would recommend entering the frequency as
e.g. "147.320MHz" so people with the mentioned radios can just hit
the tune / QSY button to go there. The tone and offset information
follows the frequency. There's nothing to stop you from naming the
object the same as the frequency to keep you happy and still
having the frequency in the proper format in the comment for the
benefit of the growing number of D72 / D710 / FTM-350R users.
> Indeed, but this isn't really the forum for hashing out proposedI'll type up a note for the APRS SIG sometime. My suggests are
> changes to an established protocol...
based on what DOES work in a D72. I can only assume that the D710
will be exactly the same. I'm making more of an assumption about
the Yaesu, but perhaps someone can comment about that over on the
APRS SIG. I was perfectly happy with the recommended settings for
repeater objects until I found out they didn't work on a D72.
73 es cul - Keith VE7GDH
"I may be lost, but I know exactly where I am!"
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