Re: [tr-m] TR given credit (but can anyone prove this?)
- Hey John!
I have done some digging into "TR - the RAT and the myth" and am still trying
to nail down just how this rumour of TR naming the rat terrier came about. I
have my theories :-). TR had two Manchester terriers, both named Jack, and
the Manchester terrier in the latter 1800's and early 1900's was actually
called a 'rat terrier', as it was one of the breeds specifically used in
ratting competition. (Can you just SEE TR at a ratting match? I bet he'd
have gone to one!) Thus when he moved into the White House with Jack, he had
a 'rat terrier' - of sorts. I am thinking that either the attention of the
news media of the day got it out that the White House had rats because TR had
a rat terrier (ie Manchester), or that the Rat terrier breed clubs have done
some very poor homework (and indeed in some cases I feel TR has been exploited
by this forced association.) In any event, nearly and dog will kill rats, and
from what I can tell TR also bred Scotties on his ranch and (since birth
control for dogs is never easy) from the film footage I can where dogs are
shown, many dogs that are claimed by Rat terrier enthusiasts to be Rat
terriers are likely scottie mixes, and scotties will do a mean number on
Check out my "History of the Rat Terrier in a Nutshell" for a teeny bit of TR
history and the Rat Terrier. And please feel free to communicate any errors!
I have drawn some of my history from this group and I want to make sure I have
And if anyone can knows where I should look to verify the demolition of the
green house and the thousands of rats please contact me.
T's History of the Rat Terrier in a Nutshell:
My kennel album -
RatpiT Kennels: Inproving the breed ONE litter at a time!
"John A. Gable" <TRA_Gable@...> wrote:
> Skip was a mongrel hound dog/hunting dog from Colorado. TR had many kinds of
> dogs, mostly mongrels. I have heard that the White House had rats and used
> rat terriers, but I don't know where I heard that. I have never seen a claim
> that TR named the rat terrier as such, and therefore tend to doubt that.
> John Gable at TRA in Oyster Bay
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> > For those just tuning in, I am a dog breed researcher and my focus is the
> > American Rat Terrier. There is much on the web crediting TR with naming
> > Rat Terrier breed, and I believe this is false - down to the last drop! I
> > have again come across info that credits TR with naming the RAT, and I
> > it to the group for comments.
> > >>
> > A tenacious Terrier of questionable ancestry, named "Skip", was acquired
> on a
> > trip near the Grand Canyon by our 26th President, Theodore Roosevelt, and
> > resided there in The White House during Roosevelt’s presidency. The
> > breed's name is attributed to T.R., coined up in honor of his own
> > Terriers’ who promptly exterminated the many thousands of rats that
> > infested The White House after the demolition of the old Jefferson
> > greenhouses, and during the subsequent construction of additional wings.>>
> > I have contacted the White House History Association who can find NO
> > indication or evidence of a rat infestation of the White House during TR's
> > time. Where did this tidbit come from then? Was a vermin infestation
> > mentioned in any letters to relatives?
> > Concrete facts I have found are very hard to find, but misinformation is
> > HARDER to disprove once its gets taken for fact!
> > Any imput is appreciated!
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