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RE: [tr-m] Re: RFI: TR's ornithology records for North Dakota

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  • Stevan Hawkins
    Simon: Discouraging word is better than no word. From what you say it sounds like it is doubtful that TR s bird records have been digitized. This morning
    Message 1 of 9 , Aug 24, 2013
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      Simon:

       

      Discouraging word is better than no word.  From what you say it sounds like it is doubtful that TR's bird records have been digitized.  This morning when I used Theodore Roosevelt as a search term at the Searchable Ornithological Research Archive http://sora.unm.edu/, it returned exactly zero results.  Since you were the only person to reply to my request for information, it seems like the only solution would be for a person to do a physical search of the Harvard Collection of TR's writings.  The idea of Mr. Roosevelt's bird records no longer existing makes such a search daunting.

       

      I do appreciate your help, Sir!

       

      Sincerely,

       

      Steve

       

      Stevan Hawkins

      San Antonio TX

       

       

       

      From: tr-m@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tr-m@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SimonATL
      Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 2:47 PM
      To: tr-m@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [tr-m] Re: RFI: TR's ornithology records for North Dakota

       

       

      TR biographers tell of a young Theodore Roosevelt taking notes while watching birds and other wildlife out in the Dakota Territory. Such notes would most probably be in the Harvard Collection if they were preserved.

      --- In tr-m@yahoogroups.com, "Stevan Hawkins" <shawkins4@...> wrote:
      >
      > TR experts:
      >
      >
      >
      > Does anyone know if TR kept a record of his bird observations when he was in
      > North Dakota? If he did, is there a way of getting a copy of this
      > information? The reason I ask is because the advent of eBird
      > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ has increased the interest of the birding
      > community in historical bird records. At the moment there is a thread on
      > the North Dakota Birds discussion group
      >
      > https://listserv.nodak.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A0=ND-BIRDS about historical bird
      > records for the state. Members of the group consequently are interested in
      > Theodore Roosevelt's bird records from North Dakota. Any leads, positive or
      > negative, about TR's bird records from North Dakota will be appreciated.
      >
      >
      >
      > Sincerely!
      >
      >
      >
      > Steve
      >
      >
      >
      > Stevan Hawkins
      >
      > San Antonio TX
      >

    • michelereneebryant
      The best person would be Sharon Kilzer at the TR Center in ND. sharon.kilzer@dickinsonstate.edu Good Luck! On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 05:37:20 -0500 Stevan Hawkins
      Message 2 of 9 , Aug 24, 2013
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        The best person would be Sharon Kilzer at the TR Center in ND. sharon.kilzer@... 
        Good Luck!
         
        On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 05:37:20 -0500 "Stevan Hawkins" <shawkins4@...> writes:
         

        Simon:

        Discouraging word is better than no word.  From what you say it sounds like it is doubtful that TR's bird records have been digitized.  This morning when I used Theodore Roosevelt as a search term at the Searchable Ornithological Research Archive http://sora.unm.edu/, it returned exactly zero results.  Since you were the only person to reply to my request for information, it seems like the only solution would be for a person to do a physical search of the Harvard Collection of TR's writings.  The idea of Mr. Roosevelt's bird records no longer existing makes such a search daunting.

        I do appreciate your help, Sir!

        Sincerely,

        Steve

        Stevan Hawkins

        San Antonio TX

        From: tr-m@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tr-m@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SimonATL
        Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 2:47 PM
        To: tr-m@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [tr-m] Re: RFI: TR's ornithology records for North Dakota

         

        TR biographers tell of a young Theodore Roosevelt taking notes while watching birds and other wildlife out in the Dakota Territory. Such notes would most probably be in the Harvard Collection if they were preserved.

        --- In tr-m@yahoogroups.com, "Stevan Hawkins" <shawkins4@...> wrote:
        >
        > TR experts:
        >
        >
        >
        > Does anyone know if TR kept a record of his bird observations when he was in
        > North Dakota? If he did, is there a way of getting a copy of this
        > information? The reason I ask is because the advent of eBird
        > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ has increased the interest of the birding
        > community in historical bird records. At the moment there is a thread on
        > the North Dakota Birds discussion group
        >
        > https://listserv.nodak.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A0=ND-BIRDS about historical bird
        > records for the state. Members of the group consequently are interested in
        > Theodore Roosevelt's bird records from North Dakota. Any leads, positive or
        > negative, about TR's bird records from North Dakota will be appreciated.
        >
        >
        >
        > Sincerely!
        >
        >
        >
        > Steve
        >
        >
        >
        > Stevan Hawkins
        >
        > San Antonio TX
        >

         
      • Linda E. Milano
        I know Harvard has some of his bird records from when he was younger, but I m not sure of the North Dakota ones. Linda Milano From: tr-m@yahoogroups.com
        Message 3 of 9 , Aug 24, 2013
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          I know Harvard has some of his bird records from when he was younger, but I'm not sure of the North Dakota ones.

           

          Linda Milano

           

          From: tr-m@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tr-m@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Hawkins
          Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 6:37 AM
          To: tr-m@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: RE: [tr-m] Re: RFI: TR's ornithology records for North Dakota

           

           

          Simon:

           

          Discouraging word is better than no word.  From what you say it sounds like it is doubtful that TR's bird records have been digitized.  This morning when I used Theodore Roosevelt as a search term at the Searchable Ornithological Research Archive http://sora.unm.edu/, it returned exactly zero results.  Since you were the only person to reply to my request for information, it seems like the only solution would be for a person to do a physical search of the Harvard Collection of TR's writings.  The idea of Mr. Roosevelt's bird records no longer existing makes such a search daunting.

           

          I do appreciate your help, Sir!

           

          Sincerely,

           

          Steve

           

          Stevan Hawkins

          San Antonio TX

           

           

           

          From: tr-m@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tr-m@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SimonATL
          Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 2:47 PM
          To: tr-m@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [tr-m] Re: RFI: TR's ornithology records for North Dakota

           

           

          TR biographers tell of a young Theodore Roosevelt taking notes while watching birds and other wildlife out in the Dakota Territory. Such notes would most probably be in the Harvard Collection if they were preserved.

          --- In tr-m@yahoogroups.com, "Stevan Hawkins" <shawkins4@...> wrote:
          >
          > TR experts:
          >
          >
          >
          > Does anyone know if TR kept a record of his bird observations when he was in
          > North Dakota? If he did, is there a way of getting a copy of this
          > information? The reason I ask is because the advent of eBird
          > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ has increased the interest of the birding
          > community in historical bird records. At the moment there is a thread on
          > the North Dakota Birds discussion group
          >
          > https://listserv.nodak.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A0=ND-BIRDS about historical bird
          > records for the state. Members of the group consequently are interested in
          > Theodore Roosevelt's bird records from North Dakota. Any leads, positive or
          > negative, about TR's bird records from North Dakota will be appreciated.
          >
          >
          >
          > Sincerely!
          >
          >
          >
          > Steve
          >
          >
          >
          > Stevan Hawkins
          >
          > San Antonio TX
          >

        • SimonATL
          What Steve is pointing at is that Dickinson State University has been given a grant to begin digitizing many of the Theodore Roosevelt materials at Harvard.
          Message 4 of 9 , Aug 24, 2013
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            What Steve is pointing at is that Dickinson State University has been given a grant to begin digitizing many of the Theodore Roosevelt materials at Harvard. Working directly with Harvard's Houghton Library and its "Theodore Roosevelt collection, DSI has already started the scanning of thousands of documents. 



            --- In tr-m@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
            >
            > The best person would be Sharon Kilzer at the TR Center in ND.
            > sharon.kilzer@...
            > Good Luck!
            >
            > On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 05:37:20 -0500 "Stevan Hawkins"
            > shawkins4@... writes:
            >
            > Simon:
            >
            > Discouraging word is better than no word. From what you say it sounds
            > like it is doubtful that TR's bird records have been digitized. This
            > morning when I used Theodore Roosevelt as a search term at the Searchable
            > Ornithological Research Archive http://sora.unm.edu/, it returned exactly
            > zero results. Since you were the only person to reply to my request for
            > information, it seems like the only solution would be for a person to do
            > a physical search of the Harvard Collection of TR's writings. The idea
            > of Mr. Roosevelt's bird records no longer existing makes such a search
            > daunting.
            >
            > I do appreciate your help, Sir!
            >
            > Sincerely,
            >
            > Steve
            >
            > Stevan Hawkins
            > San Antonio TX
            >
            >
            >
            > From: tr-m@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tr-m@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
            > SimonATL
            > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 2:47 PM
            > To: tr-m@yahoogroups.com
            > Subject: [tr-m] Re: RFI: TR's ornithology records for North Dakota
            >
            >
            > TR biographers tell of a young Theodore Roosevelt taking notes while
            > watching birds and other wildlife out in the Dakota Territory. Such notes
            > would most probably be in the Harvard Collection if they were preserved.
            >
            > --- In tr-m@yahoogroups.com, "Stevan Hawkins" shawkins4@ wrote:
            > >
            > > TR experts:
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Does anyone know if TR kept a record of his bird observations when he
            > was in
            > > North Dakota? If he did, is there a way of getting a copy of this
            > > information? The reason I ask is because the advent of eBird
            > > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ has increased the interest of the
            > birding
            > > community in historical bird records. At the moment there is a thread
            > on
            > > the North Dakota Birds discussion group
            > >
            > > https://listserv.nodak.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A0=ND-BIRDS about historical
            > bird
            > > records for the state. Members of the group consequently are interested
            > in
            > > Theodore Roosevelt's bird records from North Dakota. Any leads,
            > positive or
            > > negative, about TR's bird records from North Dakota will be
            > appreciated.
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Sincerely!
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Steve
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > Stevan Hawkins
            > >
            > > San Antonio TX
            > >
            >
          • SimonATL
            Make that http://www.theodorerooseveltcenter.org/ Sorry - Link did NOT work.
            Message 5 of 9 , Aug 24, 2013
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              Make that http://www.theodorerooseveltcenter.org/

              Sorry - Link did NOT work.


              --- In tr-m@yahoogroups.com, "SimonATL" <simonatl@...> wrote:
              >
              > What Steve is pointing at is that Dickinson State University has been
              > given a grant to begin digitizing many of the Theodore Roosevelt
              > materials at Harvard. Working directly with Harvard's Houghton Library
              > and its "Theodore Roosevelt collection, DSI has already started the
              > scanning of thousands of documents.
              > Click HERE to go to the Theodore Roosevelt Center at DSU
              >
              > --- In tr-m@yahoogroups.com, wrote:
              > >
              > > The best person would be Sharon Kilzer at the TR Center in ND.
              > > sharon.kilzer@
              > > Good Luck!
              > >
              > > On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 05:37:20 -0500 "Stevan Hawkins"
              > > shawkins4@ writes:
              > >
              > > Simon:
              > >
              > > Discouraging word is better than no word. From what you say it sounds
              > > like it is doubtful that TR's bird records have been digitized. This
              > > morning when I used Theodore Roosevelt as a search term at the
              > Searchable
              > > Ornithological Research Archive http://sora.unm.edu/, it returned
              > exactly
              > > zero results. Since you were the only person to reply to my request
              > for
              > > information, it seems like the only solution would be for a person to
              > do
              > > a physical search of the Harvard Collection of TR's writings. The
              > idea
              > > of Mr. Roosevelt's bird records no longer existing makes such a search
              > > daunting.
              > >
              > > I do appreciate your help, Sir!
              > >
              > > Sincerely,
              > >
              > > Steve
              > >
              > > Stevan Hawkins
              > > San Antonio TX
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > From: tr-m@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tr-m@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
              > > SimonATL
              > > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 2:47 PM
              > > To: tr-m@yahoogroups.com
              > > Subject: [tr-m] Re: RFI: TR's ornithology records for North Dakota
              > >
              > >
              > > TR biographers tell of a young Theodore Roosevelt taking notes while
              > > watching birds and other wildlife out in the Dakota Territory. Such
              > notes
              > > would most probably be in the Harvard Collection if they were
              > preserved.
              > >
              > > --- In tr-m@yahoogroups.com, "Stevan Hawkins" shawkins4@ wrote:
              > > >
              > > > TR experts:
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Does anyone know if TR kept a record of his bird observations when
              > he
              > > was in
              > > > North Dakota? If he did, is there a way of getting a copy of this
              > > > information? The reason I ask is because the advent of eBird
              > > > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ has increased the interest of the
              > > birding
              > > > community in historical bird records. At the moment there is a
              > thread
              > > on
              > > > the North Dakota Birds discussion group
              > > >
              > > > https://listserv.nodak.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A0=ND-BIRDS about
              > historical
              > > bird
              > > > records for the state. Members of the group consequently are
              > interested
              > > in
              > > > Theodore Roosevelt's bird records from North Dakota. Any leads,
              > > positive or
              > > > negative, about TR's bird records from North Dakota will be
              > > appreciated.
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Sincerely!
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Steve
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Stevan Hawkins
              > > >
              > > > San Antonio TX
              > > >
              > >
              >
            • Stevan Hawkins
              Simon: This is very encouraging. BTW: My parents were both raised in McKenzie County ND. Even though neither of them could met TR, being as Mom and Dad were
              Message 6 of 9 , Aug 27, 2013
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                Simon:

                 

                This is very encouraging.

                 

                BTW:  My parents were both raised in McKenzie County ND.  Even though neither of them could met TR, being as Mom and Dad were born in the nineteen-teens and twenties, their parents and grandparents could have easly met the man.

                 

                Thank you, Sir!

                 

                Steve

                 

                Stevan Hawkins

                San Antonio TX

                 

                 

                 

                From: tr-m@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tr-m@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of SimonATL
                Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2013 9:38 PM
                To: tr-m@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: [tr-m] Re: RFI: TR's ornithology records for North Dakota

                 

                 

                What Steve is pointing at is that Dickinson State University has been given a grant to begin digitizing many of the Theodore Roosevelt materials at Harvard. Working directly with Harvard's Houghton Library and its "Theodore Roosevelt collection, DSI has already started the scanning of thousands of documents. 

                 

                Click HERE to go to the Theodore Roosevelt Center at DSU 

                 

                 

                --- In tr-m@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

                >
                > The best person would be Sharon Kilzer at the TR Center in ND.
                > sharon.kilzer@...
                > Good Luck!
                >
                > On Sat, 24 Aug 2013 05:37:20 -0500 "Stevan Hawkins"
                > shawkins4@... writes:
                >
                > Simon:
                >
                > Discouraging word is better than no word. From what you say it sounds
                > like it is doubtful that TR's bird records have been digitized. This
                > morning when I used Theodore Roosevelt as a search term at the Searchable
                > Ornithological Research Archive http://sora.unm.edu/, it returned exactly
                > zero results. Since you were the only person to reply to my request for
                > information, it seems like the only solution would be for a person to do
                > a physical search of the Harvard Collection of TR's writings. The idea
                > of Mr. Roosevelt's bird records no longer existing makes such a search
                > daunting.
                >
                > I do appreciate your help, Sir!
                >
                > Sincerely,
                >
                > Steve
                >
                > Stevan Hawkins
                > San Antonio TX
                >
                >
                >
                > From: tr-m@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tr-m@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
                > SimonATL
                > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 2:47 PM
                > To: tr-m@yahoogroups.com
                > Subject: [tr-m] Re: RFI: TR's ornithology records for North Dakota
                >
                >
                > TR biographers tell of a young Theodore Roosevelt taking notes while
                > watching birds and other wildlife out in the Dakota Territory. Such notes
                > would most probably be in the Harvard Collection if they were preserved.
                >
                > --- In tr-m@yahoogroups.com, "Stevan Hawkins" shawkins4@ wrote:
                > >
                > > TR experts:
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Does anyone know if TR kept a record of his bird observations when he
                > was in
                > > North Dakota? If he did, is there a way of getting a copy of this
                > > information? The reason I ask is because the advent of eBird
                > > http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ has increased the interest of the
                > birding
                > > community in historical bird records. At the moment there is a thread
                > on
                > > the North Dakota Birds discussion group
                > >
                > > https://listserv.nodak.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A0=ND-BIRDS about historical
                > bird
                > > records for the state. Members of the group consequently are interested
                > in
                > > Theodore Roosevelt's bird records from North Dakota. Any leads,
                > positive or
                > > negative, about TR's bird records from North Dakota will be
                > appreciated.
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Sincerely!
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Steve
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > Stevan Hawkins
                > >
                > > San Antonio TX
                > >
                >

              • Stevan Hawkins
                TR experts: Special thank to SimonATL, Linda Milano, and Sharon Kitzer for their assistance in what seemed like a possibly impossible quest. As time goes by,
                Message 7 of 9 , Aug 27, 2013
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                  TR experts:

                   

                  Special thank to SimonATL, Linda Milano, and Sharon Kitzer for their assistance in what seemed like a possibly impossible quest.  As time goes by, people may yet find some or all of TR's notes about his bird observations in western North Dakota. 

                   

                  Thanks!

                   

                  Steve

                   

                  Stevan Hawkins

                  San Antonio TX

                   

                   

                   

                  From: tr-m@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tr-m@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Stevan Hawkins
                  Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 1:30 PM
                  To: tr-m@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: [tr-m] RFI: TR's ornithology records for North Dakota

                   

                   

                  TR experts:

                   

                  Does anyone know if TR kept a record of his bird observations when he was in North Dakota?  If he did, is there a way of getting a copy of this information?  The reason I ask is because the advent of eBird http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ has increased the interest of the birding community in historical bird records.   At the moment there is a thread on the North Dakota Birds discussion group

                  https://listserv.nodak.edu/cgi-bin/wa.exe?A0=ND-BIRDS about historical bird records for the state.  Members of the group consequently are interested in Theodore Roosevelt's bird records from North Dakota.  Any leads, positive or negative, about TR's bird records from North Dakota will be appreciated.

                   

                  Sincerely!

                   

                  Steve

                   

                  Stevan Hawkins

                  San Antonio TX

                   

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