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Re: TR's Religion

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  • moropus99
    From the website of Christ Church (Episcopal) in Cambridge http://www.cccambridge.org/ Generations of Harvard students, from Richard Henry Dana (Two Years
    Message 1 of 5 , Feb 22, 2002
      From the website of Christ Church (Episcopal) in Cambridge

      "Generations of Harvard students, from Richard Henry Dana (Two Years
      Before the Mast) to Teddy Roosevelt (who was asked not to continue as
      a Sunday School teacher because he would not become an Episcopalian)
      have made Christ Church their parish home during their studies..."

      --- In tr-m@y..., RoginaJ@c... wrote:
      > I don't know if this helps the discussion as it is not based on
      > study but personal and anecdotal experience but here goes.
      > I find faith to be a personal position and a personal covenant
      between me and
      > God. I'm less concerned with the "denomination" of the building or
      > administrative hierarchy. Indeed my current church is recovering
      from a huge
      > fight between the upper hierarchy and the church itself. That is
      the secular
      > side of humanity. It is reality of human beings, it is separate
      from the
      > beliefs of the members. The pew in which I do or do not place
      myself on
      > Sunday is NOT what determines my religious beliefs. I like the
      > message and tone, I like the new priest, I like the choir, the
      people and the
      > activities, I have friends there and the church is extremely
      convenient so
      > I'm more likely to get there. That is my reality. It does not
      > reflect how I pray or worship.
      > Regarding TR, I believe the Unitarian Church in question is the
      First Parish
      > Church in Cambridge. First Parish Church is a large Unitarian
      > church immediately across the street from Harvard University in
      > Square. Other than the campus chapel, it would probably have been
      the most
      > proximate (or one of the most) church to the campus. I seem to
      recall he at
      > one point lived on Kirkland Street. Depending on the block, he
      would have
      > been right in back of Harvard Yard and a short walk to First
      > from Harvard do go to that church.
      > Also many Unitarians DO believe in Jesus, although others identify
      with a
      > variety of philosophies. In one Unitarian church I have personally
      > the very popular long time minister would end prayers by saying "in
      > spirit of Jesus" as opposed to "in the name of Jesus". A Unitarian
      > complained that their new minister ended prayers in the "name of
      > Son and Holy Ghost" which she found discomforting and "a bit too
      Papist" for
      > her taste. Unitarian congregations seem to vary quite a bit. Some
      > quite put out by the mention of Jesus, others embrace it. My
      experience is
      > that although the TRINITY is paramount in the Catholic religion,
      > prominent in Episcopalianism it is less mentioned of many other
      > religions. Their focus is God and Jesus. To bring this full
      > Protestants from a variety of churches seem to find themselves in a
      > church at one point or another. The roots of the parishioners may
      > for some of the variations in Unitarian congregations.
      > Many people, particularly within the Protestant groups, move around
      based on
      > geography, caliber of ministry, congeniality of the congregation,
      > with a choir or activity of a particular church. This may be hard
      > understand as some sects and religions are very strict about
      > outside their particular church. But many simply see the focus as
      > in God and Jesus and the rest largely a matter of format and
      tradition. The
      > ritual is not the religion, it is the secular manifestation of
      > Indeed in small town areas there may be only one Protestant church
      of any
      > type. So someone raised Congregationalist may find themselves at
      the local
      > Baptist or Presbyterian or Methodist church if they move to a new
      > I've visited a number of churches of different denominations and
      found much
      > of the program to be very similar especially across much of the
      spectrum of
      > Protestant faiths. If the local options were Catholic or Unitarian
      > might feel more at home in the Unitarian church as they might be
      > or uncomfortable with some of the Catholic rituals and aspects of
      > but that would probably depend entirely on the local congregations.
      > Back to TR. If the minister at the local Unitarian church was
      reputed to
      > provide an inspiring message and the congregation congenial, I can
      easily see
      > that TR would have attended. I don't see that it would have been
      > incompatible with either his Dutch Reformed upbringing or his later
      > attendance at the Episcopal Church.
      > Rogina
      > Rogina
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