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  • Ryan Valeriano
    Can you help me identify some people in a picture with TR? I tried to mail it to you but this address cannot accept a file this large. Ryan ...
    Message 1 of 28 , Dec 27, 2004
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      Can you help me identify some people in a picture with TR? I tried to
      mail it to you but this address cannot accept a file this large.

      Ryan
      On Saturday, December 25, 2004, at 01:10 PM, Tweed Roosevelt wrote:

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      > "bullier" on page 72 reads:
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      >       bullier: better.  Not then absolutely de rigueur in allegedly
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      > frontier talk until noisily adopted by Theodore Roosevelt
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    • Theodore Roosevelt Assn.
      Ryan, If you go to the tr-m yahoo group home page, you can click on the PHOTOS link. It will walk you through the process of up-loading the photo to the
      Message 2 of 28 , Dec 31, 2004
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        Ryan,

        If you go to the tr-m yahoo group home page, you can click on the "PHOTOS" link. It will walk you through the process of up-loading the photo to the site. Once that is done, we can all take a look at the picture.

        Best wishes from Oyster Bay,

        Linda E. Milano
        Assistant Director
        Theodore Roosevelt Association

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        From: Ryan Valeriano <ryanv@...>
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        Can you help me identify some people in a picture with TR? I tried to
        mail it to you but this address cannot accept a file this large.

        Ryan
        On Saturday, December 25, 2004, at 01:10 PM, Tweed Roosevelt wrote:

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        > In the Oxford Sherlock Holmes volume 1, the footnote to the text word
        > "bullier" on page 72 reads:
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        >       bullier: better.  Not then absolutely de rigueur in allegedly
        > authentic
        > frontier talk until noisily adopted by Theodore Roosevelt
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      • Tweed Roosevelt
        In David Von Drehle s excellent social history of the turn of the century which focuses on the famous Triangle Waist Company fire of March 25, 1911: When
        Message 3 of 28 , Jan 2, 2005
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          In David Von Drehle's excellent social history of the turn of the century
          which focuses on the famous Triangle Waist Company fire of March 25, 1911:

          "When Theodore Roosevelt ran for president in 1904, the Lower East Side
          (of New York City) voted heavily for him, hailing the progressive
          Republicans as 'the worker's liberator.' Four years later, after a
          devastating depression, the slums turned to socialist presidential
          candidate Eugene V. Debs." (Note TR was not the candidate in the 1908
          election, but rather William Howard Taft.)

          David Von Drehle, Triangle; the fire which changed America, Atlantic
          Monthly Press, New York, 2003 p,31
        • Tweed Roosevelt
          Arthur Train wrote a wonderful series of stories for the Saturday Evening Post in the 1920 s about Ephraim Tutt, a fictional old Yankee lawyer who practiced in
          Message 4 of 28 , Jan 12, 2005
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            Arthur Train wrote a wonderful series of stories for the Saturday Evening
            Post in the 1920's about Ephraim Tutt, a fictional old Yankee lawyer who
            practiced in New York during that period and was a sort of precursor to
            Horace Rumpole. Tutt used the law to obtain justice for his poor but
            honest clients who were generally being persecuted by lawyers more
            interested in using the letter of the law to victimize the vulnerable.

            In the story, "The House that Tutt Built", an old women is about to be
            thrown out of the house her family had owned for generations and she has
            lived in all her life. The greedy neighbor has gotten hold of the mortgage
            and over a technicality has acquired the right to accelerate the mortgage
            and demand full payment. The old women, who never married, cannot make the
            payment and her situation looks hopeless until Mr. Tutt steps in. The old
            lady is explaining her situation to Mr. Tutt:

            "You see, my--my fiance was killed at San Juan, fighting with Colonel
            Roosevelt in the Spanish War."

            Mr. Tutt's Case Book, by Arthur Train, Charles Scribner's Sons,
            1936, p. 259

            By the way, I assume that Arthur Train was not implying that TR had killed
            her fiance.
          • tbaker@pro-ns.net
            Hey y all! I got a request from my rattie list to verify this - can anyone help? This quote/statement has appeared on a rattie web site and we are trying to
            Message 5 of 28 , Feb 10, 2005
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              Hey y'all!

              I got a request from my rattie list to verify this - can anyone help?

              This quote/statement has appeared on a rattie web site and we are trying to
              find if this is indeed true:

              >>"Life Magazine showed President Roosevelt with 3 black and tan RT's">>>

              Has anyone ever seen this article? Does anyone know what issue/month? Any
              information will be appreciated! There was no pic, so if anyone can direct me
              to an online source to view the image or the article I would be in your debt!

              Thanks,

              Theresa Baker
              RatpiT Kennels
            • Tweed Roosevelt
              In Leslie S. Klinger s magnificent The New Annotated Sherlock Holmes, W. W. Norton, New York, 2005, Vol I, footnote 17, page 296, in the story The Adventure of
              Message 6 of 28 , Sep 13 4:06 PM
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                In Leslie S. Klinger's magnificent The New Annotated Sherlock Holmes, W. W. Norton, New York, 2005, Vol I, footnote 17, page 296, in the story The Adventure of the Noble Bachelor which mentions St. George's Church in Hanover Square, London:
                 
                "Designed and built by John James in 1721-1724, its  interior restored by Sir Arthur Blomfield in 1894, the Anglican St. Geroge's was 'the most famous church in London for fashionable weddings.' according to Baedeker.  Nineteenth-century weddings held here included those of Percy Bysshe Shelley (1814), Benjamin Disraeli (1839), George Meredith (1844), George Eliot (1880), and Theodore Roosevelt (1886).
              • Tweed Roosevelt
                Dimensional Data, a South African company reselling network infrastructure packages to corporations around the world in its weekly newsletter dated Dec. 23,
                Message 7 of 28 , Dec 28, 2005
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                  Dimensional Data, a South African company reselling network infrastructure
                  packages to corporations around the world in its weekly newsletter dated
                  Dec. 23, 2005:

                  Last week�s quick question was :
                  Which American President barred the Christmas Tree from being displayed in
                  the White House?
                  - Teddy Roosevelt
                  - George W Bush
                  - Woodrow Wilson
                  - Franklin D Roosevelt

                  The correct answer is Teddy Roosevelt.
                • Emma Lathan
                  I can honestly say that I did not know that and am interested in the why ?
                  Message 8 of 28 , Dec 28, 2005
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                    I can honestly say that I did not know that and am interested in the "why"?

                    On 12/28/05, Tweed Roosevelt <tweedr@...> wrote:


                    Dimensional Data, a South African company reselling network infrastructure
                    packages to corporations around the world in its weekly newsletter dated
                    Dec. 23, 2005:

                    Last week's quick question was :
                    Which American President barred the Christmas Tree from being displayed in
                    the White House?
                    - Teddy Roosevelt
                    - George W Bush
                    - Woodrow Wilson
                    - Franklin D Roosevelt

                    The correct answer is Teddy Roosevelt.




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                  • RoginaJ@cs.com
                    Can anyone verify this? In a message dated 12/28/2005 5:12:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, ... Can anyone verify this? In a message dated 12/28/2005 5:12:18 PM
                    Message 9 of 28 , Jan 1, 2006
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                      Can anyone verify this?

                      In a message dated 12/28/2005 5:12:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, tweedr@... writes:

                      Dimensional Data, a South African company reselling network infrastructure
                      packages to corporations around the world in its weekly newsletter dated
                      Dec. 23, 2005:

                      Last week’s quick question was :
                      Which American President barred the Christmas Tree from being displayed in
                      the White House?
                      - Teddy Roosevelt
                      - George W Bush
                      - Woodrow Wilson
                      - Franklin D Roosevelt

                      The correct answer is Teddy Roosevelt.

                    • George Behe
                      ... displayed in ... I tried posting a reply the other day, but my posting seems to have gone astray somewhere down the line. I don t know if TR literally
                      Message 10 of 28 , Jan 3, 2006
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                        > Can anyone verify this?
                        > > Which American President barred the Christmas Tree from being
                        displayed in
                        > > the White House?
                        > > The correct answer is Teddy Roosevelt.

                        I tried posting a reply the other day, but my posting seems to have
                        gone astray somewhere down the line.

                        I don't know if TR literally *banned* Christmas trees in the White
                        House, but according to the Dallas Morning News there was no
                        Christmas tree in the White House during Christmas of 1902.

                        In 1903 there was no *family* Christmas tree in the White House, but
                        Archie Roosevelt set up his own little tree in the sewing room.

                        I'm afraid I don't know what occurred in subsequent years, though.

                        All my best,

                        George Behe
                      • Linda A. Shookster
                        Hi George, Happy New Year, BTW! Was there any reason given why TR was banning Christmas Trees? Thanks, Linda Visit nineteenth century New York by viewing my
                        Message 11 of 28 , Jan 3, 2006
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                          Hi George,

                          Happy New Year, BTW! Was there any reason given why TR was banning
                          Christmas Trees?

                          Thanks, Linda

                          Visit nineteenth century New York by viewing my blog:

                          http://oldnewyork.blogspot.com

                          Laterally dated periodically!

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                          > > > Which American President barred the Christmas Tree from being
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                          > I don't know if TR literally *banned* Christmas trees in the White
                          > House, but according to the Dallas Morning News there was no
                          > Christmas tree in the White House during Christmas of 1902. 
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                          > In 1903 there was no *family* Christmas tree in the White House, but
                          > Archie Roosevelt set up his own little tree in the sewing room.
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                          > I'm afraid I don't know what occurred in subsequent years, though.
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                        • George Behe
                          Hi, Linda. Thanks for your kind New Year s greeting. I hope you and your family will have a terrific 2006 as well. ... I m afraid not. The newspaper merely
                          Message 12 of 28 , Jan 3, 2006
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                            Hi, Linda.

                            Thanks for your kind New Year's greeting. I hope you and your
                            family will have a terrific 2006 as well.

                            > Was there any reason given why TR was banning
                            > Christmas Trees?

                            I'm afraid not. The newspaper merely mentioned the absence of
                            Christmas trees in 1902 and 1903 during the course of its general
                            description of how the Roosevelt's spent Christmas Day.

                            (Just as a speculative aside, do you suppose TR might have regarded
                            the seasonal destruction of pine trees as a waste of the country's
                            natural resources?)

                            All my best,

                            George
                          • prosperena
                            Regarding TR s banning of Christmas trees in the White House... The same trivia question appeared a couple of weeks ago in the online Martha Stewart
                            Message 13 of 28 , Jan 4, 2006
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                              Regarding TR's banning of Christmas trees in the White House...  The same "trivia question" appeared a couple of weeks ago in the online "Martha Stewart Newsletter."  This is the answer according to that website: "Theodore Roosevelt prohibited Christmas trees in the White House for fear of undermining his forest-conservation efforts."  A similar posting appears at: http://www.bugwood.org/christmas/BHHTT.html: "Theodore Roosevelt decided for the sake of forest conservation that the White House would not have a tree. His two sons snuck a small tree into their room and were caught, to the embarrassment of their father."  And here: http://www.clover.okstate.edu/fourh/aitc/lessons/extras/facts/cmastree.html
                              "President Theodore Roosevelt - known for his campaign for the conservation of natural resources - banned the use of such trees for White House festivities. Shortly afterward he discovered that two of his sons had smuggled a tree into the mansion and set it up in their room. The boys appealed to their father's good friend, Gifford Pinchot, 'America's first professional forester.' Pinchot convinced the president that if young evergreens were properly cut, it was helpful rather than harmful."
                              Neither site cites its sources but they seem fairly reliable.  Perhaps someone can find definitive information in one of the (unnamed) boys correspondence...?
                              --Kari E. Johnson
                              Los Angeles, CA
                            • Scott E
                              A bit ironic perhaps that Martha Stewart is also the name of TR s maternal grandmother!!! Scott ...
                              Message 14 of 28 , Jan 4, 2006
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                                A bit ironic perhaps that "Martha Stewart" is also the name of TR's maternal
                                grandmother!!!
                                Scott


                                >From: "prosperena" <kejohnson@...>
                                >Reply-To: tr-m@yahoogroups.com
                                >To: tr-m@yahoogroups.com
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                                >Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 00:10:18 -0000
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                                >Regarding TR's banning of Christmas trees in the White House... The same
                                >"trivia question" appeared a couple of weeks ago in the online "Martha
                                >Stewart Newsletter." This is the answer according to that website:
                                >"Theodore Roosevelt prohibited Christmas trees in the White House for fear
                                >of undermining his forest-conservation efforts." A similar posting appears
                                >at: http://www.bugwood.org/christmas/BHHTT.html: "Theodore Roosevelt
                                >decided for the sake of forest conservation that the White House would not
                                >have a tree. His two sons snuck a small tree into their room and were
                                >caught, to the embarrassment of their father." And here:
                                >http://www.clover.okstate.edu/fourh/aitc/lessons/extras/facts/cmastree.html
                                >"President Theodore Roosevelt - known for his campaign for the conservation
                                >of natural resources - banned the use of such trees for White House
                                >festivities. Shortly afterward he discovered that two of his sons had
                                >smuggled a tree into the mansion and set it up in their room. The boys
                                >appealed to their father's good friend, Gifford Pinchot, 'America's first
                                >professional forester.' Pinchot convinced the president that if young
                                >evergreens were properly cut, it was helpful rather than harmful."
                                >Neither site cites its sources but they seem fairly reliable. Perhaps
                                >someone can find definitive information in one of the (unnamed) boys
                                >correspondence...?
                                >--Kari E. Johnson
                                >Los Angeles, CA
                                >

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                              • Arnie Talgo
                                Here is some info from the web- ARNIE See http://www.hymnsandcarolsofchristmas.com/O_Tannenbaum/12b-The_White_House_Ch ristmas_Trees.htm Excerpts-
                                Message 15 of 28 , Jan 5, 2006
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                                  Here is some info from the web—

                                  ARNIE

                                  See

                                  http://www.hymnsandcarolsofchristmas.com/O_Tannenbaum/12b-The_White_House_Christmas_Trees.htm

                                  Excerpts—

                                  Victorian-Era Christmas Tree SceneThere was almost a break in the tradition during the tenure of President Theodore Roosevelt. The story is that in 1902 the president, an ardent conservationist, forbad his children to have a Christmas tree on the grounds that it would undermine his conservation program [1] ; often, the children in question are identified as Archie and Quentin. [2] Roosevelt is reported to have said "It's not good to cut down trees for mere decoration. We must set a good example for the people of America ." However when the matter was broached with Gifford Pinchot, a cabinet member and founder of the Yale School of Forestry, the President relented. Pinchot assured the President that thinning the forest by cutting down Christmas trees actually helped the forest thrive. It is reported that after this episode, the Roosevelts had a small tree each year.

                                  Roosevelt, in a letter to Master James A. Garfield, dated December 26, 1902, wrote:

                                  Yesterday morning at a quarter of seven all the children were up and dressed and began to hammer at the door of their mother's and my room, in which their six stockings, all bulging out with queer angles and rotundities, were hanging from the fireplace. So their mother and I got up, shut the window, lit the fire, taking down the stockings, of course, put on our wrappers and prepared to admit the children. But first there was a surprise for me, also for their good mother, for Archie had a little Christmas tree of his own which he had rigged up with the help of one of the carpenters in a big closet; and we all had to look at the tree and each of us got a present off of it. [Emphasis added.] There was also one present each for Jack the dog, Tom Quartz the kitten, and Algonquin the pony, whom Archie would no more think of neglecting than I would neglect his brothers and sisters. Then all the children came into our bed and there they opened their stockings. Afterwards we got dressed and took breakfast, and then all went into the library, where each child had a table set for his bigger presents. Quentin had a perfectly delightful electric railroad, which had been rigged up for him by one of his friends, the White House electrician, who has been very good to all the children. [3]

                                  In a letter to his sister, Mrs. Douglas Robinson, Dec. 26, 1903, President Roosevelt wrote:

                                  We had a delightful Christmas yesterday—just such a Christmas thirty or forty years ago we used to have under Father's and Mother's supervision in 20th street and 57th street .

                                  At seven all the children came in to open the big, bulgy stockings in our bed; Kermit's terrier, Allan, a most friendly little dog, adding to the children's delight by occupying the middle of the bed. From Alice to Quentin, each child was absorbed in his or her stocking, and Edith certainly managed to get the most wonderful stocking toys. Bob was in looking on, and Aunt Emily, of course.

                                  Then, after breakfast, we all formed up and went into the library, where bigger toys were on separate tables for the children. I wonder whether there ever can come in life a thrill of greater exaltation and rapture than that which comes to one between the ages of say six and fourteen, when the library door is thrown open and you walk in to see all the gifts, like a materialized fairy land, arrayed on your special table? [4]

                                  Roosevelt wasn’t against Christmas, however, in two works published in 1913, he wrote about Christmas customs observed by the Roosevelt family.

                                  In ["The Yale Book of American Verse’s"] the anthology of hymns, for instance, besides all the great hymns, from Bernard of Morlais to Cowper and Wesley and Bishop Heber, I would like to put in some hymns as to which I know nothing except that I like them. Every Christmas Eve in our own church at Oyster Bay , for instance, the children sing a hymn beginning "Its Christmas Eve on the River, its Christmas Eve on the Bay." Of course the hymn has come to us from somewhere else, but I do not know from where; and the average native of our village firmly believes that it is indigenous to our own soil—which it can not be, unless it deals in hyperbole, for the nearest approach to a river in our neighborhood is the village pond. [5]

                                   


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                                  Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 7:10 PM
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                                  Regarding TR's banning of Christmas trees in the White House...  The same "trivia question" appeared a couple of weeks ago in the online "Martha Stewart Newsletter."  This is the answer according to that website: "Theodore Roosevelt prohibited Christmas trees in the White House for fear of undermining his forest-conservation efforts."  A similar posting appears at: http://www.bugwood.org/christmas/BHHTT.html: "Theodore Roosevelt decided for the sake of forest conservation that the White House would not have a tree. His two sons snuck a small tree into their room and were caught, to the embarrassment of their father."  And here: http://www.clover.okstate.edu/fourh/aitc/lessons/extras/facts/cmastree.html
                                  "President Theodore Roosevelt - known for his campaign for the con servation of natural resources - banned the use of such trees for White House festivities. Shortly afterward he discovered that two of his sons had smuggled a tree into the mansion and set it up in their room. The boys appealed to their father's good friend, Gifford Pinchot, ' America 's first professional forester.' Pinchot convinced the president that if young evergreens were properly cut, it was helpful rather than harmful."
                                  Neither site cites its sources but they seem fairly reliable.  Perhaps someone can find definitive information in one of the (unnamed) boys correspondence...?
                                  --Kari E. Johnson
                                  Los Angeles , CA

                                • James M Gallen
                                  The Gerald R. Ford Museum in Grand Rapids, Michigan is hosting an exhibit on Theodore Roosevelt. The website can be found at:
                                  Message 16 of 28 , Jan 10, 2006
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                                    The Gerald R. Ford Museum in Grand Rapids, Michigan is hosting an exhibit
                                    on Theodore Roosevelt. The website can be found at:

                                    http://www.ford.utexas.edu/MUSEUM/exhibits/TR/enter%20website.htm

                                    Jim Gallen
                                  • James M Gallen
                                    Doug Mishler did make a very energetic and enthusiastic portrayal of TR at the Kirkwood Chautauqua on June 6. He was very well received. After the portrayal
                                    Message 17 of 28 , Jun 8, 2006
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                                      Doug Mishler did make a very energetic and enthusiastic portrayal of TR
                                      at the Kirkwood Chautauqua on June 6. He was very well received. After
                                      the portrayal he removed his costume and talked and answered questions.

                                      During the rest of the week he will give other lectures around the area
                                      on TR as Conservationist and TR as Adventurer.

                                      Jim Gallen
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