Re: [torchwood] Re: New Torchwood series 'possible' but it won't be for a while, say bosses
- I agree, I really loved series 1 and 2 of Torchwood. C of E I barely got
through and, even though I watched MD to the end I won't be buying the dvds
or giving it a rewatch.
It's not what Torchwood is suppose to be and in general is rotten TV viewing
IMHO of course.
Date: 4/5/2012 7:12:57 PM
Subject: [torchwood] Re: New Torchwood series 'possible' but it won't be for
a while, say bosses
You can only change a series concept so much before it becomes too alien to
its own fan base.
CoE was very blatantly written as a standalone movie or mini-series and
Torchwood was shoe-horned into it in order to give it some brand recognition
The plot holes were so gaping that you could tell it was a square peg being
stuffed into a round hole.
MD was just plain depressing. The whole "Humans are Bastards" trope kind of
leaves you wondering why you want the heroes to win.
This is assuming you still even think of them as heroes. I genuinely believe
that RTD has developed some kind of hatred of Captain Jack Harkness. Because
in CoE and MD he alternates between anti-hero, anti-villain and just plain
general failure. He has NOT been the character he was in DW, or in TW S1 &
--- In email@example.com, pfyre <oshaun@...> wrote:
> MD could not have been such a huge 'flop' if Starz is willing to keep
> the idea of another series/season on the back burner. Frankly, MD was as
> different from COE as COE was different from series 1 & 2. Was MD
> perfect? Hardly -- but a flop? I don't think so. *shrug*
> As for the getting 'back to the good stories & writing' - RTD says he's
> not interested in writing episodic television so if there is another
> series of Torchwood - it would again be an umbrella series arc. And for
> all the nostalgia of how great series one and two were - there were some
> really bad klinkers in those stories as well.
> I can't see RTD being willing to let go of Torchwood and Moffat has said
> he's not interested in trying to take over Torchwood if it were offered
> to him.
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- Thank you! You raise some really excellent points about Jack by the way.
The glaring absence of UNIT left me with a mental image of the Valiant flying off with "Just Married" banners streaming behind it and all UNIT personal gathering on some island with all communication frequencies jammed. Out-of-office auto replies leaving no clue as to where they had gone! XD
Actually, at no point was Gwen really more genuinely moral than anyone else in the Hub. In "End of Days" Gwen was at the front of the line to do something absurdly dangerous (i.e. open the Rift) in order to save her boyfriend. Plus, after having a more-than-one-time affair with Owen she confessed to Rhys, purely because she selfishly wanted his forgiveness, but had proactively Retconned him so that no matter whether he did or not he would not remember her confession.
The real clincher was in "Adrift" here she appears to show empathy (except to Andy). But in reality she is just out to prove Jack wrong. It turns out that he cares enough to see to the care of those Rift victims that come back too badly damaged to just be Retconned and returned to society. Gwen just second-guesses him and is surprised that the result was not what she hoped for.
I agree with others here who have noted that RTD really seems to have tried to turn Torchwood into a vehicle for Eve Myles's career even if it meant driving said vehicle off of a cliff.
Also, why drown Jack in so much angst if he is lacking in human feelings? Pretty much ALL of his stories, with or without Gwen, are about his emotions, regrets, lost loves, etc... By the time we get to MD Jack is just a plain woobie whose sole purpose is to highlight how quickly Gwen morphed into a superior action girl!
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "sem" <catz@...> wrote:
> Loved this email. Reminded me of a lot of things I'd conveniently forgotten,
> but you almost have to do this in the Whoniverse.
> However, this sentence:
> "Maybe the world too, since Martha seemed to have taken the whole of UNIT
> along on her honeymoon such that they were studiously unavailable."
> Made me spit coffee out of my nose I was laughing so hard.
> I also have a real problem with Gwen needing to remind Jack of the "human"
> aspect in TW. For all intents and purposes, he is/was human (even tho not of
> earth), and spent all his time after meeting the Doctor trying to help
> humans as well as others ("Meat" comes to mind.). What does he need
> reminding of? He fought in the wars! Hell, he WANTS to be mortal again. OK,
> end of rant. I'm just really annoyed that TW is no more. The tag team of DW
> and TW were real highlights of my tv-watching for a few years. It seemed
> completely logical that such a highly rated (and loved) show would continue.
> Silly me.