RE: [torchwood] Abandonment of Jack
- At 10:12 AM 4/1/2008, sem, annotated:
>I've cobbled two emails together.no - he didn't know that Jack was clinging to the exterior of the
>>Quite possibly .. can't actually recall .. but I do recall the
>>Doctor saying in "Last of the Time Lords" that Jack should not
>>exist .. was an abomination of nature or words to that effect ..
>>and proceeded to disable Jack's ability to leave Earth of that time
>>.. It was why he tried to get away when Jack leapt onto the TARDIS
>>exterior in End of Days...
>The Doctor didn't even know Jack was hitchhiking on the Tardis. He
>had no idea why it was veering out of control until they'd landed
>and he saw Jack.
TARDIS but he did decide to leave when he did because he saw Jack
running towards the TARDIS across the Plas
>>acording to the conversations between the Tenth Doctor and Jackummm... at the very least the Doctor knew Jack had been killed by the
>>during 'Uptopia' - The Doctor KNEW he abandoned Jack alive and
>>immortal on the gamestation - his explanation was that Jack was
>>'wrong' and shouldn't be and that TARDIS would reject him
>Again, how did he know? AFAIK, they weren't even aware Jack had
>died, although the fact they high-tailed it out of there without
>even checking was a bit nasty. Sometimes DW reminds me of Red Dwarf,
>which often has to be watched with a grain of salt. There were so
>many inconsistencies it was sometimes amusing. (Still, it's tied
>with DW/TW for my favorite SF series - I even went to a convention
>last year and met Danny, Chris & Robert. Really nice guys.) Catzy
Daleks - the whole 'Last Man Standing' conversation Jack had over the
communications/intercom on the Gamestation - the Doctor heard Jack's
last words and the Dalek blasting him - there would have been little doubt
as far as the Doctor knowing Jack had been brought back - speculation
is that when the Ninth Doctor took the Time Vortex (Heart of the
TARDIS) from Rose (to save her) that he got a glimpse of Jack and
what Rose had done - plus the Doctor did tell him he knew Jack's fate
on the Gamestation (during 'Utopia') but he and Rose simply abandoned
Jack because Jack was now 'wrong' and couldn't be fixed - hell the
Tenth Doctor couldn't even be bother to explain Jack's true situation
to him - he let Jack stumble blindly into his knowledge of his immortality
as I said the Tenth Doctor is a very dark character and I'm not
certain I really like him much any more
Precious and rare all Love is, gender matters not.
- --- In email@example.com, pfyre <pfyre@...> wrote:
> At 08:16 PM 3/31/2008, psatinshein, annotated:
> >I am a frequent reader, and watcher, but a reluctant writer here -
> >guess I am more of a lurker, but I have a question about "from outto
> >of the rain". Jack mentioned that he "worked" for a group
> >investigating the night travelers. I understand that he worked in
> >another travelling show as "the man who couldn't die". I wonder if
> >we know the "group" he was working for? I know that he worked with
> >the Dr., but since I have not seen all the DW episodes, I am
> >thinking that maybe I have missed something.
> >Any help would be appreciated!
> my guess is that he's referring to Torchwood - as it would be in
> existence at that time since the queen had already established it
> protect the earth from alien influence and most especially theDoctor
> - my vote is that the group was an early version of Torchwood OneIf he was with Torchwood way back in the beginning wouldn't he have
> Precious and rare all Love is, gender matters not.
been aware of the old man in the eppy were that were send back in
time and he met his namesake? The guy who let the monster thru the
rift? He was torchwood.