Re: [torchwood] Re: Anyone Else Hate Gwen?
- Owen, at least, seems like an amazing doctor.
He's redeemable in that respect.
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- This is very true. But pound for pound, Jack is so far weighing in
as a shy virgin compared to someone like, say, Patrick on Coupling.
Now granted, Coupling was a relationship comedy whereas Torchwood is
a sci-fi show. But as you noted below, we have more concrete
evidence of sex on the parts of Gwen, Owen and Tosh.
It is true that imagination can be relied upon to fill in the blanks
as it were. And where that fails there's all those lovely people
writing fanfic (about 3/4 of which is Jack/Ianto bless their little
hearts). It is true that while all of Torchwood's gay audience and
most of it's straight female audience would be perfectly fine with
the sight of Jack and Ianto doing something rather more graphic, it's
open to debate if the straight male demographic (the usual core sci-
fi audience) would cope well, even allowing for the fact that the
British have more evolved sensibilities than Americans.
Naturally this is manifest in the fact that Jack's kiss with Jack, or
even his brief one with Ianto, is considered as more "daring" than
Owen and Diane being shown in bed. Welcome back to Melrose Place.
Still it is irksome though. Plus, Jack and Ianto frankly have more
chemistry than Gwen and Owen. It's that whole angsty men together
I suppose it's just a little funny, because so much hype has been put
to this, but really only Carys's possession by alien sex gas was
really especially titillating. Otherwise Torchwood is noticeably
less risque than Buffy the Vampire Slayer was.
Jack may have some major issues going back to his abandonment by the
Doctor and Rose (however unintentional it may have been). But for
pity's sake that was at least a century ago on his personal
timeline! At some point you just have to get over it Jack! May
series two bring a little more "excitement" to the show. And fewer
--- In email@example.com, pfyre <pfyre@...> wrote:
> this is not an usual scenario in television series - I recall a
> series in which the nominal lead was supposed to be the 'ladies'
> always on the prowl, on the make, and yet if you were to go back
> the eps of the series - the socalled ladies man had very few dates
> less much else and yet the secondary lead was the one hopping in
and out of
> bed - but to this day the illusion persists
> that's what they've done with Jack - right from 'The Empty Child'
> we've gotten plenty of innuendo and double entendres galore but as
> actual physical evidence of Jack doing more than flirting and
> kissing we've gotten virtually nada hard evidence -- yet I'd be
> bet that the average and casual viewers of DW and/or TW would still
> that Jack in the rogue the one on the make and constantly hopping
> whether occupied by male or female or some other gender human or
> perhaps because as open and progressive as British tv and audiences
> you have to wonder if they're truly ready to see Jack shagging a
> alien or exquisitely, gorgeous Ianto? we want to see it, but is the
> audience member ready for it?
> I honestly don't think this means that Ianto is 'no one' to Jack
but more a
> comment on that there is no one that Jack has been able to be
> completely open about himself since being brought back to life on
> Five and abandoned by the two people he loved and trusted....
> me too - though we would have to say there is some proof that Gwen
> getting some from both Rhys and Owen (Rhys leaving the bed starkers
> morning, etc. - Owen, starkers, stepping up behind Gwen - who is
> dressed only in his shirt) -- and we saw Tosh and Mary apparently
> coital so she got some in series one -- so here's to hoping and
> that Jack AND Ianto manage to get some in series two with a bit
> evidence for the audience