908Re: [torchwood] Jack / Ianto thoughts
- Feb 1, 2007Amanda asked:
> But... other than the "mouth to mouth" Jack givesNothing clear. It's my belief and contention that
> Ianto in Cyberwoman,
> is there any other on screen indications of anything
> going on between them until the end of They
> Keep Killing Suzie?
when they get together at the end of "They Keep
Killing Suzie", it's the first time - that in fact,
Jack was surprised (though pleased) when Ianto
propositioned him then.
On watching a second time, though, I thought I could
see a clear progression of their relationship, a whole
subtle story that is not spelled out but is still
there. Growing affection and mutual reliance based on
Ianto's desire to prove himself trustworthy, and his
neediness, and Jack paying attention to his feelings.
The scene that I felt made me understand was the one -
I think at the end of "Cyberwoman" - when Ianto looks
up at Jack (sorrowfully? apologetically?) and Jack
nods. I couldn't figure out what that meant the first
After having seen "End of Days" I thought it an easy
interpretation: Ianto realizes Jack was right and
acknowledges that, Jack forgives him for being wrong
because he really does understand, and they establish
a more trusting relationship - in which Jack, partly
by being kind, partly by just not making an issue of
the "Cyberwoman" fiasco, helps Ianto to heal from his
grief. Leading to stronger (though perhaps sometimes
conflicting) feelings on Ianto's part.
> I thought, though, when Ianto still seems quiteI think he's still 'shaken up' about Lisa at the end
> shaken up in Countrycide
of "End of Days". He's still grieving over her loss -
still upset to see her when he gets the
visitation/vision of her c/o Bilis. In "Countricide",
I think Ianto is working out what he feels and thinks
about Jack, Lisa, and life in general.
I think Ianto loves Jack and that Jack has had a good
(comforting) influence on him, but that the pain of
what happened to Lisa was too deep to just go away
quickly. Some days are probably easier for him than
> I didn't see anything. So it seems to just come outNo, not really, though I think the writers did want us
> of nowhere.
to be somewhat surprised when it happened.
> We go from Ianto clearly being in love with LisaI don't think you missed overt clues, but there are a
> (that was her name, right?) in Cyberwoman, to him
> making a not-so-clearly veiled proposition to
> Jack at the end of They Keep Killing Suzie.
few subtle hints. Like the time Jack touches Ianto's
> I would love to see the characterOh, many!
> of Ianto explored a bit more. He really intrigues
> me. Any thoughts?
One thought is that Ianto brings out Jack's nurturing
and healing side. I think his whole team does that,
but Ianto most of all. Reasons? Ianto's emotional
pain; his vulnerability; the fact that Jack (clearly)
has thought he was cute from the beginning.
Another thought is that it might be easier for Ianto
to love Jack after Lisa because he is so very
different from her in just about every way - being
white, male, and mysterious. And also because the
relationship isn't in any way domestic, as it was with
Lisa. And there is no possibility that Ianto would
have to 'take care of' Jack the way he had to take
care of Lisa for so long.
It also coincides with Ianto's strong love of duty and
service. I think when he says "Jack needs me" to Owen
he really means it and it reveals a lot about himself
-Ianto needs to be needed, whether by someone like
Lisa (helplessly trapped in a machine, or by a
machine) or someone like Jack (who is strong, but
lonely and isolated and sometimes distracted).
> Oh, and on that note... I am working on a video forThe music vids I most love are the ones that use John
> Ianto and I can't
> seem to come up with a song. Any ideas?
Barrowman songs, especially the Cole Porter CD. I
wish he'd recorded "I Get a Kick Out of You" - I think
that one would be terrific for Jack, especially the
I get no kick from Champagne
Mere alchohol doesn't thrill me at all
so tell me why should it be true
that i get a kick
out of you
But then there's "Night and Day", "Under My Skin", and
- maybe my favourite - "You'd be so nice to come home
to". (Which I believe Porter wrote for a boyfriend,
so it seems particularly apropos.) Then there's "Night
and Day" from "De-Lovely".
From "Reflections from Broadway", "Being Alive" might
be a good choice.
Just my personal wish list, going along with "I wish I
could make music vids, but I can't, so isn't it
wonderful that other people can do it for me?"
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