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  • Zarzycki, Michael
    I heard that Quest was working on an electric car that as it runs, generates more electricity than it uses. ;-) My white furniture is on order. Best regards,
    Message 1 of 65 , Jun 29, 2007
      I heard that Quest was working on an electric car that as it runs, generates more electricity than it uses. ;-)
       
      My white furniture is on order.

      Best regards,


      Mike

       


      From: toad@yahoogroups.com [mailto:toad@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Graves
      Sent: Friday, June 29, 2007 1:48 PM
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      I'm still waiting on all the furniture that sci-fi films have been showing us for decades now. By 2007, we ought to be living in sparsely filled homes full of all white furniture. :)
       
      Electric is part of an answer, but while all-electric cars are non-polluting as they are driven, most of our electricity, over 70%, in the US still comes from fossil fuels. While that percentage will probably come down some in the future, and while it can also be argued that power generating plants can burn that fuel in a cleaner manner than I can in my auto engine, in part electric cars just shift the creation of pollution from the point of driving to the point of electrical generation. I'll grant you electric cars are less polluting than my gasoline car, but they are not zero pollution vehicles, unless charged via solar, etc.
       
      Another good answer would be to let as many workers as possible, telecommute as often as possible. I'm allowed one day a week where I work, but I'd like to see that raised to three or four. Unfortunately management doesn't share my views. :(
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      From: toad@yahoogroups. com [mailto:toad@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of fwillingham- at-dhhs.state. nh.us |TOAD_Group|
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      WHERE'S MY ELECTRIC CAR?!

      -F

    • Booth.Steve
      agreed. But how does he know you? ________________________________ From: toad@yahoogroups.com [mailto:toad@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      Message 65 of 65 , Jul 3, 2007
        agreed. But how does he know you? <gdrlh>


        From: toad@yahoogroups.com [mailto:toad@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of fwillingham@...
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        Nice guy.

        -F



        James Cooper <jcooper987@yahoo. com>
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        People like this should not be allowed in this group. My two cents. much less posted here

        fwillingham@ dhhs.state. nh.us
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        Yes, I am disappointed. We should all be using personal aircraft by now.


        -F



        "Martin Gainty" <mgainty@hotmail. com>
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        Flying shoes only works on Mr Spock (or was that gravity boots?)..Personally I like the 'flying cars' concept


        Someone on the list was saying how they dont have enough telecommute (work at home) days in the week
        My solution is that everyone (in the US) take wednesday off


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        Try http://www.scifi. com/eureka/ madeineureka/ (if you'll settle for climbing cars or flying shoes)
         
        -- jim

         

        James F. Hudson
        Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources

        Madison, WI

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        From: toad@yahoogroups. com [mailto:toad@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Charpak, Joseph
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        where's my flying car? :)
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        WHERE'S MY ELECTRIC CAR?!


        -F


        "Hudson, James - DNR" <james.hudson@ wisconsin. gov>
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        (Friday, diesels) One of the issues with diesels in the US is that the "clean" diesel fuel is generally not available in the US, so diesels here tend to be high-polluting. Too much SO2 and particulates.


        That should be changing soon, within the next few years. One result is that many of the European diesel cars will be able to be sold in the US. At this point, my understanding is that most of them won't meet the US pollution standards because of the differences in the available fuel.


        On the other hand, the market for used older diesels is great now because there's big interest in running them on biofuels. You can convert them pretty easily. Converting a gasoline powered car to biofuels is prohibitive.


        I'm hoping that, by the time our minivan finally dies, there will be attractive diesels or plug-in hybrids in the US market. But I'm not an early adopter -- I suspect real market penetration for those technologies is 5 years away, and the old Honda probably won't last that long.


        -- jim

         

        James F. Hudson
        Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources

        Madison, WI

        (608) 267-0840




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        I had a new Beetle with a TDI (Turbo Diesel Injection) engne and it was great. It got forty five miles to the gallon.


        The car had some quirks, like the door handles and hatch-latch, and the automatic transmission started misbehaving so I sold it.


        In general, though, I liked it and it performed as well as, or better than, a gasoline-powered car. It even started up in the winter without having to be plugged in.


        -F

        "Bert Scalzo" <bert.scalzo@ quest.com>
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        not yet really - in fact this is the last year I believe for some models (like VW)

        diesel costs more than gas here - and there are two convenience issues:

        1. many times people have to go to truck stops to get diesel

        2. if normal gas station has diesel, they usually only have one pump

        So it just does not want to seem to catch here.


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        From: toad@yahoogroups. com on behalf of Stephen Rooney
        Sent: Fri 6/29/2007 9:03 AM
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        Just out of curiousity, have diesel cars taken off yet in the
        US/Canada?
        I have a VW Golf with a 2.0L turbo diesel engine. It kicks out 140bhp,
        will do 0-60 in a little under 9 seconds and top out at over 130mph.
        Inside it is quiet to drive, and here's the best bit, on an urban
        cycle it will do about 30 miles to a gallon, on motorways it will
        easily do over 50 miles to a gallon.
        Over here in the UK most SUVs are diesels (Mercs, BMWs, Land Rovers,
        Jeeps) as are many executive class cars (Merc E class, BMW 5).
        For me really the question now when looking at new cars is 'why not a
        diesel' rather than 'why a diesel'.
        The annoying thing though is that the government have woken up to the
        amount of diesels being sold here so diesel fuel is actually a little
        bit more expensive than regular unleaded petrol/gas.

        Regards,
        Steve
        --- In toad@yahoogroups. com, "Ed Klinger" <edk@...> wrote:
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        >
        > Interesting facts.  That also does not take into account the use of
        solar panels
        > to charge it which would bring the refueling cost down even more.  
        But at 100k
        > for the Tesla vs 30k-ish for the f150 you would have to burn a lot
        of fuel or
        > have fuel costs rise a lot to make it worth wild.  Plus how are you
        suppose to
        > tow all your toys around or pick up a dozen bag of mulch at Home
        Depot with a
        > Tesla.  On the other hand 3.9 sec  0-60 :))
        >







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