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  • Roy Ramdeen
    Thanks for the info Tim. Roy E=mc²
    Message 1 of 27 , Sep 14, 2010
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      Thanks for the info Tim.

      Roy
      E=mc²

      On Sep 12, 2010, at 6:17 PM, tim wetherell <tim.wetherell@...> wrote:

      > Hi Roy
      >
      > yes, that's the impression I have, it will say APM not TMB but
      > otherwise be exactly the same. there was no photo on the Teton page
      > but of course they'll only make them if they get the orders so it's a
      > catch 22.
      >
      > all the best
      >
      > Tim
      >
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      > On 11/09/2010, at 6:34 PM, Roy Ramdeen wrote:
      >
      > So. If I understand this correctly the new run will say APM and not
      > TMB. This is good.
      >
      > Roy
      > E=mc²
      >
      > On Sep 8, 2010, at 12:23 AM, tim wetherell <tim.wetherell@...>
      > wrote:
      >
      >> Hi Eric,
      >>
      >> Just had this (below) from Marcus at APM (who's emails don't seem to
      >> get to the group for some reason). So yes, it definitely seems that
      >> the new runs will be 100% tip top.
      >>
      >> Trouble is quantity seems to be an issue and I'm actually a little
      >> surprised that there haven't been more pre orders. When a 14 or 16mm
      >> mono comes up on astromart people are tearing each others arms and
      >> legs off to get it! And I would have thought that the longer 18 and
      >> 21mm would be a great match for the big refractor guys out there.
      >> Especially owners of fine achromats like the D&G 8" f12 and above who
      >> would need the long FL?
      >>
      >> So what I need now is all you big refractor freaks out there to order
      >> an 18 and a 21mm so I can get mine too!
      >>
      >> Or perhaps there'd be enough combined orders to warrant say a single
      >> 19mm?
      >>
      >> all the best
      >>
      >> Tim
      >>
      >> <forward from Marcus> In case a new run of Super Mono would be
      >> started, they would be made by the same company, using same design,
      >> same glas, same coatings, everything the same, just a new run
      >>
      >> However the interested for a new run is not there.
      >>
      >> we created a interest list where everybody can drop us a email
      > telling
      >> us which one he like to order in case a new run starting.
      >>
      >> We got a few from Asia , a few from USA and most from Europe over the
      >> last monthes, but the quantity is solittle
      >>
      >> 42 eyepieces all focallenght mixed from Europeans
      >> 26 pc from USA
      >> 47 pc from Asia
      >>
      >>
      >> we reached for non focallenght the minimum order ( with highest
      >> price ) of 20 pc
      >>
      >> so if nothing changes, there will be no new run coming, sorry
      >>
      >> best wishes
      >> Markus
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> On 08/09/2010, at 10:15 AM, Eric Baumgartner wrote:
      >>
      >> Hi:
      >>
      >> Mark from Teton Telescope confirmed the same to me as well.
      >>
      >> This new series will include an 18 and 21 mm eyepiece.
      >>
      >> Eric Baumgartner
      >> Redding, CT USA
      >>
      >>> From: tim wetherell <tim.wetherell@...>
      >>> Reply-To: TMB Optical egroup <tmboptical@yahoogroups.com>
      >>> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:06:25 +1000
      >>> To: TMB Optical egroup <tmboptical@yahoogroups.com>
      >>> Subject: Re: [tmboptical] Favorite Eyepieces
      >>>
      >>> Hi Guys
      >>>
      >>> Had this from Mark this morning re the supermonos, it would appear
      >>> that they will be exactly the same as the original series other than
      >>> branding
      >>>
      >>> all the best
      >>>
      >>> Tim
      >>>
      >>> Tim,
      >>> As stated on the Teton website, the maker, materials, and standards
      >>> are the same. Quality control of Supermonos and the 1.8x ED Barlow
      >>> lenses produced by Berliner Glas has always been handled by Berliner
      >>> Glas and APM, so nothing has changed there either. The only
      >> difference
      >>> will be the branding.
      >>>
      >>> http://www.tetontelescope.com/index.php?cPath=23_65
      >>>
      >>> Pre-orders are being accepted to insure that enough volume of each
      >>> focal length can be obtained to secure the lowest cost per unit
      >>> possible. If enough are not secured then all pre-order deposits will
      >>> be refunded. APM's ground rules, not mine.
      >>>
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> On 07/09/2010, at 11:21 PM, Eric Baumgartner wrote:
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> Why doesn't someone pose the question to Mark Rieck, owner of Teton
      >>> Telescopes? As a matter of fact, I will!
      >>>
      >>> Eric Baumgartner
      >>> Redding, CT USA
      >>>
      >>>> From: tim wetherell <tim.wetherell@...>
      >>>> Reply-To: TMB Optical egroup <tmboptical@yahoogroups.com>
      >>>> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 10:57:36 +1000
      >>>> To: TMB Optical egroup <tmboptical@yahoogroups.com>
      >>>> Subject: Re: [tmboptical] Favorite Eyepieces
      >>>>
      >>>> Yes, I'm a fan of the supermono too, fabulous eyepieces (for what
      >>> they
      >>>> do). I was looking at the two longer focal lengths in the new
      >> release
      >>>> but had imagined that they would be manufactured in Germany as the
      >>>> originals were and presumably to the same specs? Does anyone know
      >>>> anything about the origins of this new series? I'd be very
      >> interested
      >>>> before I splash my cash!
      >>>>
      >>>> I would think that the longer focal lengths are simply scale ups of
      >>>> the original design?
      >>>>
      >>>> all the best
      >>>>
      >>>> Tim
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>> On 07/09/2010, at 10:56 AM, Eric Jamison wrote:
      >>>>
      >>>> Hi Roy,
      >>>>
      >>>> Thanks for the kind words and glad you enjoyed the eyepiece review.
      >>>> The used
      >>>> prices for the mono's do seem to have gone up over time.
      >>>>
      >>>> Best,
      >>>>
      >>>> Eric
      >>>>
      >>>> ----- Original Message -----
      >>>> From: "Roy Ramdeen" <deepsky01@...>
      >>>> To: <tmboptical@yahoogroups.com>
      >>>> Sent: Monday, September 06, 2010 4:08 PM
      >>>> Subject: Re: [tmboptical] Favorite Eyepieces
      >>>>
      >>>> Eric,
      >>>> I think you may be right in assuming that these new mono's may not
      >>>> have the
      >>>> same stringent quality control as the originals. Worst if they are
      >>>> popping
      >>>> out of Asia. Rally great review article on the larger 16,14, etc
      >>>> supermono.
      >>>> I see Rick has a few for sale on Amart at about $550 each. Not
      >>> cheap. I
      >>>> didn't have the opportunity to get a set of super mono's, so I
      >>> settled
      >>>> for
      >>>> the Pentax XO's that were a special edition for the Mars return,
      >>> these
      >>>> were
      >>>> only made in a 2.5 and 5 mm focal lengths. I am now on the hunt for
      >>> the
      >>>> original super mono's.
      >>>>
      >>>> Roy
      >>>> E=mc²
      >>>>
      >>>> On Sep 6, 2010, at 11:29 AM, "Eric Jamison" <ericjam@...>
      >>> wrote:
      >>>>
      >>>>> Hi Terry,
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Like you I have the TMB Super Mono's and consider them the best:
      >>>>>
      >>>>> http://mysite.verizon.net/ericjam/equipment_reviews3.html
      >>>>>
      >>>>> The planetary eyepieces that Teton are selling may be knock-offs
      > of
      >>>> Tom
      >>>>> Back's design so I am not sure of their quality.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> I would recommend that if people want to buy the TMB Planetary
      >>>> eyepieces
      >>>>> that Tom designed they go through either Astronomics:
      >>>>>
      >>>>> http://www.astronomics.com/
      >>>>>
      >>>>> or High Point Scientific who also appear to have some Paragon 30mm
      >>>> eyepieces
      >>>>> for sale:
      >>>>>
      >>>>>
      >>>>
      >> http://www.highpointscientific.com/c=blFsGRqhx46bKFbNZlatTAC7q/category/brand
      >>>>
      >> s
      >>>> .30_tmb/
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Originally there were other focal lengths of the Paragons that
      > were
      >>>> supposed
      >>>>> to be made but this has not happened. It is unfortunate as I use
      > my
      >>>> 40mm
      >>>> and
      >>>>> 30mm all of the time:
      >>>>>
      >>>>> http://mysite.verizon.net/ericjam/equipment_reviews6.html
      >>>>>
      >>>>> In my review I mentioned the Paragon is an orthoscopic design,
      >> but I
      >>>> wasn't
      >>>>> sure if only means it has a flat field, and/or how this differs
      >>>> from an
      >>>>> orthoscopic planetary eyepiece design. So I asked Tom and here was
      >>>> his
      >>>>> response:
      >>>>>
      >>>>> "I called it an orthoscopic eyepiece simply because it has true
      >>>> orthoscopic
      >>>>> performance, meaning no distortion. But your comment about how it
      >>>> has the
      >>>>> contrast, sharpness, light transmission, and the lack of scatter
      > of
      >>>> a high
      >>>>> quality 4 element ortho, makes me think I should have called it
      >>>> orthoscopic
      >>>>> because its performance is like a true orthoscopic planetary
      >>>> eyepiece,
      >>>> just
      >>>>> in longer focal lengths."
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Best,
      >>>>>
      >>>>> Eric Jamison
      >>>>>
      >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
      >>>>> From: "Terry Tuggle" <tlt284@...>
      >>>>> To: <tmboptical@yahoogroups.com>
      >>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 7:44 PM
      >>>>> Subject: RE: [tmboptical] Favorite Eyepieces
      >>>>>
      >>>>>> For planetary observing I have the TMB Super Mono's; they are
      >>>> considered
      >>>>> the
      >>>>>> best by most. They went out of production a few years ago, but
      >>>> they are
      >>>>>> making a come back:
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> http://www.tetontelescope.com/index.php?cPath=23_65
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> Tom also mad some planetary eyepieces with that are much lower in
      >>>> price,
      >>>>> but
      >>>>>> not that much lower in quality:
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> http://www.tetontelescope.com/index.php?cPath=23_56
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> They are now sold at Teton.
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> The Paragons he made were available at Burgess optical, but not
      >>>> even on
      >>>>> the
      >>>>>> price list anymore. I guess a secondhand eyepiece could be had on
      >>>> A-mart.
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> I use the TV Naglers for widefield; I already had these using my
      >> 12
      >>>>>> LX200 and now my C-14. I have used Panoptics in the past also
      >>>> very nice
      >>>>>> eyepieces. I have also used Pentax eyepieces which I enjoyed very
      >>>> much:
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> http://www.optcorp.com/category.aspx?uid=30-718-60
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> If I was going for one brand it would probably be Pentax; they do
      >>>> not
      >>>> have
      >>>>>> the Nagler/Ethos FOV, but they have 20mm eye relief and are easy
      >> to
      >>>>> observe
      >>>>>> with. The Naglers are center critical, so you must make sure your
      >>>> eye is
      >>>>>> centered; the Pentax's are more forgiving in that respect and can
      >>>> be
      >>>> used
      >>>>>> with glasses. The build quality and glass used is at least as
      >>>> good as
      >>>> the
      >>>>> TV
      >>>>>> eyepieces if not better. They do carry a high price tag like most
      >>>> all of
      >>>>> the
      >>>>>> TV eyepieces, but I think my TMB 130/780 deserves the best!
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> All the best,
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> Terry
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> _____
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> From: tmboptical@yahoogroups.com
      >>>> [mailto:tmboptical@yahoogroups.com] On
      >>>>>> Behalf Of starguy
      >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2010 9:55 AM
      >>>>>> To: tmboptical@yahoogroups.com
      >>>>>> Subject: [tmboptical] Favorite Eyepieces
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> Hi everybody - Just wondering what is your favorite eyepieces for
      >>>> your
      >>>>> TMB -
      >>>>>> So far I have found the simpler designs seem to do best at the
      >>>> shorter
      >>>>> fl's
      >>>>>> - In longer fl's I have had good luck with Panapotics - one of my
      >>>> favorite
      >>>>>> eyepieces is an old Research Grade 15.5 Erfle. Bought it new in
      >>>> the late
      >>>>>> 70's and have been using it ever since.
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>> Anyway just thought this would be interesting to see what
      >>>> everyone out
      >>>>> there
      >>>>>> is using with these superb APO's
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
      >>>>>>
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