Re [Braveheart/gary]: congratulations and a question.
- Braveheart braveheart@... wondered:
<< I cannot understand ANY Patriot having a bank account,, even sans socialist security number. >>
For me personally I just have enough in there to cover monthly auto debit stuff like my ISP, monthly nutritional supplements, et al, or even occasional Ralphs grocery shopping.
I never write checks with the account.
I always use money orders for that.
and gary gary2666@... inquired:
<< I think you read into 42 USC 408m something that isn't there. >>
>> "When the guy at his desk asked for my SSN, I simply said, "Well... it's a felony to *require* it, so I'd prefer not to divulge it."<< This isn't exactly what 42 USC 408 says. Section 408 (a)(8) says,
"(8) discloses, uses, or compels the disclosure of the social security number of any person in violation of the laws of the United States;
shall be guilty of a felony and upon conviction thereof shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both." >>
Actually, one is remember to add the "Whoever" (at the code's beginning) in there as well, to read (and I always emphasis when I write it out):
"*Whoever*.... discloses, uses, or *compels the disclosure* of the social security number of any person in violation of the laws of the United States; shall be guilty of a felony and upon conviction thereof shall be fined under title 18 or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both."
<< Which "laws of the United States" would be violated if the bank required a SSN to open an account? >>
While it (408[a]) could be considered overly broad, I'd consider the fact that the Social Security Administration say one doesn't even need to *have* an SSN might classify the bank violating the Title 5 privacy laws. I don't know which offhand; don't bother asking *me* on it [bg].
But to me it's moot as I have th'bank account without an SSN attached to it.
Considering my privacy and my choosing NOT to divulge an SSN to anyone other than the SSA (if I ever wanted to use them), what laws *aren't* they violating? [*Rhetorical* question [g]....]
>> I know one can sue for $10,000 but [I] have no way of knowing the methodology involved.<< How do you know this and what would be the basis of your complaint? >>
The self-published publication I have currently is in storage, hence my not knowing "the methodology involved."
I do know of the Taco Bell case in which Taco Bell lost to not hiring someone without an SSN, and while that might not cross over (so please don't [bother/waste time] correct[ing] me if I'm wrong [g]: as I say, to me the subject is moot: I'm just responding to your clarifying question), just filing a case against the offending bank would cost them more money than it's worth to them even to get it dismissed [g].
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