Re: [tips_and_tricks] Re: On emitting bills of credit aka Federal Reserve Notes :-)
- To respond to your below comment;Oddly enough according to one CPA that lectured across the country in the late 70s and early 1980s speaking to the patriot groups of that day, he claimed to actually have taken part in the change over of accounting in this very regard. He claimed to be in college at the time when all the text books were suddenly replaced with text books that now teach how to show a IOU note as being accounts actually received and credited to the account in the black and not in the red. If my memory serves me correct this took place in the early 30s. I have literally 100s and 100s of VCR tapes from the 70s 80s and 90s and most all of them are worthless knowledge but I have kept them none the less. The one with the CPA though seemed to be on the up and up, he had his old text books and backed up everything he said with his actual text books. I don't recall his name but if you are interested and if you are not in a big hurry, I will see if I can find the VHS tape and at least pass on his name to you.
Can imaginary stuff be "amounted"? Real stuff can. Was there a date when it became reality that most people could be persuaded to equate a negative number with a positive number? I must have been out fishing that day and missed the announcement (like so much other stuff all those around me seem to somehow "know" about, yet they all arrived to the show much later than I did.) I am getting more cranky for sure. Does anyone have any idea of the multiples of the GDP that are already owed to someone? The blips can never be materialized for delivery in any courtroom.
From: Frog Farmer <frogfrmr@...>
To: tips_and_tricks <email@example.com>
Sent: Mon, May 28, 2012 11:20 pm
Subject: RE: [tips_and_tricks] Re: On emitting bills of credit aka Federal Reserve Notes :-)
> > Does anyone have any idea of the multiples of the GDP that areIt matters because it is unpayable. The point will come in this system
> > already owed to someone?
> Not sure that it matters. Could not tell you the exact
> multiple, but less than Japan. Owed to someone, or some
where another entire planet's output will be needed just to pay the
interest (which is never printed).
>Here's the part that causes me to wince: "What is the current account
> > > Via FF, via Merrill Jenkins, ask, What is the current account
> > > of money in the United States today, and how much of that is
> > > a dollar amount?
> > Ow! WOW!!! WHAT a MISQUOTE!!!! Fatal, too, if used in action in the
> > heat of a battle of wits with contenders who may or may not be
> > unarmed!!
> Apologies for that..."amount" should be "quantity!"
of money in the United States today, and how much of that is a dollar
amount (or quantity)?"
The account of money??! I'll tell you how much is a dollar amount: All
of it! No one could ever answer that question anyway because of the
delay in reporting.
The real issue is, WHAT is "the money of account". It's not an issue,
because it is enshrined in unrepealed law. It seems to be an issue
with tyrants because the words "of account" were deemed by your betters
to be superfluous and were left out of the more recent statute law books
for our more recent arrivals, a.k.a. those born yesterday. Without
changing the law or the intent, many words have been left out, I guess
to suit newer generations who cannot read like older ones could.
> > Unfortunately it was misunderstood and summarizedWith all the volumes of words available to retain for ones use, and so
> > incorrectly. Did one READ Jenkins??
> Yes, read Jenkins, but my retention is not a sharp
> as your attention.
little time, I like to collect gems that have exceptional value for
their power to "cause the conversation to break right down" in the words
of G. Gordon. That question by Jenkins is one of the most powerful when
used timely and properly. One must understand WHAT the "money" IS. Now
we can rely on Bill Clinton to provide alternative meanings to that word
> Still, my efforts haveIt is a little disconcerting when you win even when you make mistakes.
> worked on several occasions.
It shows how they are just role playing in anticipation of thenext
> I stand corrected...the money of account in theIn or of the U.S.??
> United States shall be EXPRESSED in dollars.
The concept of money of account allows for the fact that there are many
"monies" in circulation among those with the will to do it. So many
people attach importance to the fact that today a majority of people
CHOOSE to accept what they accept (discounted private commercial debt
paper), as though that changes the character of the thing they accept
from what it still is to what they wished it was like other pieces of
paper had been in days gone by (such as bearer certificates for allodial
> > But they got a volunteer to pay it in silver! And currently mintedBy you but not by many others. You might be surprised. The law calls
> > Eagles fill the bill for one dollar denominations! In fact, they
> > overfill the bill!
> Not true. The silver eagles are not in general circulation
> to be used as money, nor are they considered as money in
for them to be produced in quantities to satisfy public demand. Nobody
can help what the public demands or fails to demand. If people cared,
they'd redeem their paychecks for lawful money as provided by law. Some
know better than to work for a paycheck. The law of money is as it
always was, with additions and privileges added later for those who take
advantage of them. But the original one law is still on the books, and
there has only ever been one definition of the word "dollar" in our
laws. There have been many weasel words written around those words
since, to confuse those who are confused. We have the power to be
unconfused, and need not go along with any democracy that enshrines
> Some who use them may do so in a privateYou haven't heard about Utah. Check it out.
> exchange/trade for their current market value, but that is
> not the same as going into any store and paying for goods
> using silver eagles or asking for them as change, or going
> into a bank and offering a one dollar FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE
> in exchange for a one dollar-denominated silver eagle.
Have you ever gone to the trouble of using US Notes? You do know their
number is strictly limited but their circulation is mandatory. How can
newer generations learn about money with the disinformation level so
> > Does the court recognize the new reality imposed by MFIf it were my case I'd make it germane. Physical cash only amounts to
> > Global?
> Not a germane issue here, so no.
5% if that. Coins another 3-5%. So over 90% of what people think is
money is merely a bookkeeping entry. And MF Global shows that
bookkeeping entry repositories cannot be trusted to maintain even
imaginary account intact. Does the court accept Bitcoin?
> Oddly enough according to one CPA that lectured across the country inAh, The Red & The Black! The intrigue builds...
> the late 70s and early 1980s speaking to the patriot groups of that
> day, he claimed to actually have taken part in the change over of
> accounting in this very regard. He claimed to be in college at the
> time when all the text books were suddenly replaced with text books
> that now teach how to show a IOU note as being accounts actually
> received and credited to the account in the black and not in the red.
> If my memory serves me correct this took place in the early 30s. IWe have that in common, though I cannot say it is all worthless.
> have literally 100s and 100s of VCR tapes from the 70s 80s and 90s and
> most all of them are worthless knowledge but I have kept them none the
Unreliable but not worthless, as there were grains of truth everywhere
to be discovered. I play the game of identifying and then prioritizing
the grains of truth, so they follow the logical sequence instead of
saying, "Step 43 is a doozie, I cannot wait to spring it", and then one
forgets Step One, or Two, or even Six. You wouldn't believe what my
Step One is today, and don't ask because I'm not going to offer it for
criticism. Okay, I changed my mind, here's what it is: I take the point
of view of the sovereign filling the vacuum in the absence of King
George, after his much ballyhooed defeat via July 4, 1776 and I share in
experiences that Thomas Jefferson might have enjoyed. I do not claim a
status I cannot defend, and I avoid subjecting myself to corporate
entities of any stripe, which means I hold those speaking for those
entities accountable in the IMOC. That is, if they qualify to be held
accountable! Guess how many people don't feel quite ready to proclaim
themselves perfectly qualified to do their JOB!
Not everyone can do that because they do not have the confidence
instilled by "literally 100s and 100s of VCR tapes from the 70s 80s and
90s and most all of them are worthless knowledge" when taken as panaceas
or silver bullets, or whatever that hapless discoverer thought was valid
when he made his or her tape. There are too many words on paper that
people are worrying about, while mere pieces of paper are stealing their
lives, liberties and properties and their children's future as we speak
as the biggest ongoing crime in history continues as most are unaware it
is in progress, or even of the true nature of it. I can't wait until
the final movie on it comes out!
> The one with the CPA though seemed to be on the up and up, heI am VERY interested in this, as this has been an ongoing question with
> had his old text books and backed up everything he said with his
> actual text books. I don't recall his name but if you are interested
> and if you are not in a big hurry, I will see if I can find the VHS
> tape and at least pass on his name to you.
me for years - HOW and WHY don't they see the difference between a
"HAVE" (Black) and a "HAVE NOT" (Red)?? Oh, right, their word is as
good as gold! No, they have been outed for those paying attention. And
they have been thwarted individually, instantly, by those who situated
themselves atop some special words they picked out of "literally 100s
and 100s of VCR tapes from the 70s 80s and 90s and most all of them are
worthless knowledge" BUT Truth rings out and shines in the dark! I
don't like playing that paper game anymore, so I commence my best
defense (which is a good offense) in the Initial Moment Of
Confrontation. I do not wait or delay making my imperial demands of all
rights at all times for any cause or reason. I do announce that the
IMOC has begun, as a courtesy to young maleducated well-meaning paycheck
anticipators in fear of losing their employment, and this is often all
that is necessary to secure my rights and comfort, and their respect and
even assistance, neighbor!
-1 = +1
Zero must be the only time it is true.
Just my opinion, as I did flunk algebra. I was good with geometry
> > So, how IS anyone ever disqualified in Illinois?When I spent five straight years in court, all my wins contained errors
> Judges ignore oath challenges for attorneys and
> themselves. Appellates back them up. The better
> alternative is to make more effective arguments,
> like the money issue...but a bit more effectively
> than I presented here. Still, my efforts have
> worked on several occasions.
that only I or a friend discovered later. My opponents were unprepared,
and later we found out we were being used as trainers for newbies. It
was fun, but I didn't know then what I know now. Now my time is better
spent so I end stuff toot sweet. Sometimes I extend my play when bored
or the subject seems promising as an ally neighbor type. I hear there
is one more man in this area sharing my outlook, but we haven't met yet.
It's good to be the King (I'm collecting minions for the coming bad
- If I may add some insight to this....
On 5/29/2012 12:07 PM, Frog Farmer wrote:
>>> Does anyone have any idea of the multiples of the GDP that are
>>> already owed to someone?
>> Not sure that it matters. Could not tell you the exact
>> multiple, but less than Japan. Owed to someone, or some
> It matters because it is unpayable. The point will come in this system
> where another entire planet's output will be needed just to pay the
> interest (which is never printed).
This isn't a good description of the quote I snipped, but please read it anyhow.
In my experience in this matter, I have done contract work for the US Government- Dept. of the Interior, Bureau of Land Management. I engaged in a similar discussion with a sovereign citizen back in '97. He said the same stuff, or close to it. The money I was paid really wasn't money as it had no value. No gold backing it up, thus no value, thus worthless pieces of scrap paper. I laughed at him. Those may have been worthless scraps of paper, but those worthless scraps of paper bought me food and paid my bills. And those aren't exactly imaginary. Where did he get his truck & camper? Oh, he traded for them. Where did he get his fuel from? Ohhhh! He paid for them using....the same worthless pieces of paper. Guess they aren't so worthless now, now are they?
> You haven't heard about Utah. Check it out.
> Have you ever gone to the trouble of using US Notes? You do know their
> number is strictly limited but their circulation is mandatory. How can
> newer generations learn about money with the disinformation level so
> high today?
I live in Utah and no one will take anything that isn't cash, check or
credit. I have yet to find anyone taking gold or silver.
Every thing I have studied and learned over the past 40 years can be summed up in two words, "Notice Pleading" if one does notunderstand notice pleading and the presumption of facts and how these presumptions are used against us and how to defend wewill lose and continue to lose every case we ever fight. There is a reason CPAs are licensed, they are breaking the law by permission.A license is a permit to do that which is unlawful a trespass or a tort. So what is unlawful about what a licensed CPA does? Calls black ink credits and red ink black.
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Coalbunny <coalbunny@...> wrote:
> Guess they aren't so worthless now, now are they?I trust you are familiar with the card game, Old Maid.
Your "insights" are predicated on a singular belief,
that because you can make purchases for goods and
services with the issued fiat, it has value.
Back in the 1940s, one could have purchased gasoline
for 12 cents the gallon. Today, let's call it $4
the gallon. The same gallon [equivalent] of gas,
but the cost is several hundred percent dearer.
If one saved their fiat from the 1940s, until today,
you can see have they have depreciated in purchasing
In the 1940s, for an ounce of gold, one could have
purchased around 340 gallons of gas. If one saved
that same ounce of gold, today it can purchase around
380 gallons of gas.
Not only has the ounce of gold held its purchasing
power over the same span of time, it has slightly
increased in purchasing power. The purchasing power
of current fiat has decreased by close to 50% in
just the past 20 years alone.
Putting that aside, what many recognize and consider
today's monetary system is, and has been a fraud,
for well over a half century.
Just a few years ago, one could have purchased silver
and gold for $20 and $800 [fiat measured], respectively.
Just a few year even before that, one could have
purchased silver and gold for $4 and $250 the ounce.
The ounce of silver and/or gold is still the same.
Intead of paying $4 for silver or $250 for gold, the
ounce, it now takes $28 fiats and $1,500 fiats to
purchase that same ounces.
There is a statement to be made comparing what was
stated as "not so worthless now" to what has
increased in worth over the same period[s].
The corporate federal government has created trillions
of more "dollars," via computer blips. For now, the
unparalled increases in "dollars" has been held within
the failed banking system, which is why there has not
been rampant inflation.
The Rotschild model is quickly coming apart at the
seams. It seems if one continues to maintain a
belief in the purchasing power of the imagination,
when reality goes mainstream, all that has been
imagined will have disappeared. It will be replaced
by shock and awe that few could have ever imagined,
when that imagination ruled.
Cognitive dissonance reigns...for most.
> I live in Utah and no one will take anything thatCognitive dissonance...sorry, I just said that.
> isn't cash, check or credit.
A million wrongs will never amend a single right.
Lemmings run in numbers. One can select their own
> I have yet to find anyone taking gold or silver.If you have not found one does not necessarily
mean they do not exist, but I can say that those
who do take gold and silver are not imaginary.
For anyone who might say, "You can't eat gold,"
the comeback response would be, "When is the
last time you ate a fiat 'dollar'?"