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the lost 13th amendment

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  • Bruce Toski
    a few guys researched this and have posted various scans of old books showing the lost Titles of Nobility Amendment which was ratified by several states and
    Message 1 of 2 , Feb 29, 2012
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      a few guys researched this and have posted various scans of old books showing the lost "Titles of Nobility Amendment" which was ratified by several states and made it into various books printed about the Constitution.
       
      WIKI says this early 13th was "proposed by Congress in 1810 and ratified by twelve states".
      How many states were there in 1810 ?
       
      Here is the procedure according to Wiki
       
      There are two steps. In the first step, the proposed Amendment must find a national super majority of 67% in Congress, both House (people) and Senate (states).
      * This was done, right ?  Should be able to verify in the Statutes at Large ?
       
      The second step requires a super-super 75% majority of the states ratifying, representing a majority of the people in the states ratifying. Congress determines whether the state legislatures or special state conventions ratify the amendment.[33]
       
      I am guessing that, if only 12 out of 18 states ratified the 'lost' 13th amendment ... it never reached full lawful status as a 'cured' amendment ?
       
      For Truth, Justice and Liberty,
      Don Quixote
       
       
       
    • Cliff Bass
      Why are you relying upon the Constitution, an untitled document that was done by deputies which were appointed by the states with the specific instructions to
      Message 2 of 2 , Mar 1, 2012
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        Why are you relying upon the Constitution, an untitled document that was done by deputies which were appointed by the states with the specific instructions to revise the Articles of Confederation, an internal document only?

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        By New-Hampshire, "to discuss and decide upon the most effectual means to remedy the defects of the federal union."


        Massachusetts, "in conformity with the resolution of Congress recommending a convention for the sole purpose of revising the articles of confederation, to render the federal constitution adequate to the preservation of the union."


        Connecticut, "for the sole and express purpose of revising the articles of confederation, to render the federal constitution adequate to the exigencies of government and the preservation of the union."


        New-York, in the same words.


        New-Jersey, "for the purpose of taking into consideration the state of the union, as to trade and other important subjects, and of devising such other provisions, as shall appear to be necessary, to render the constitution of the federal government adequate to the exigencies thereof."


        Pennsylvania, "to devise such alterations and further provisions, as may be necessary to render the federal constitution fully adequate to the exigencies of the union."


        Delaware, in the same words, with a proviso, that each state shall have one vote in Congress.


        Maryland, in the same words, without the proviso.


        Virginia, in the same words. This state passed the first law for appointing delegates to the convention.


        North-Carolina, "for the purpose of revising the federal constitution."


        South-Carolina, "to devise such alterations as may be thought necessary, to render the federal constitution entirely adequate to the actual situation and future good government of the confederated states."


        Georgia, "to devise such alterations as may render the federal constitution adequate to the exigencies of the union."

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        Why would you even consider relying upon such document as the said "guys" have supposedly produced?

        The first union is still there.

        --- On Wed, 2/29/12, Bruce Toski <toski_tech@...> wrote:

        From: Bruce Toski <toski_tech@...>
        Subject: [tips_and_tricks] the lost 13th amendment
        To: ottopartss@...
        Cc: tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Wednesday, February 29, 2012, 7:13 AM

         

        a few guys researched this and have posted various scans of old books showing the lost "Titles of Nobility Amendment" which was ratified by several states and made it into various books printed about the Constitution.
         
        WIKI says this early 13th was "proposed by Congress in 1810 and ratified by twelve states".
        How many states were there in 1810 ?
         
        Here is the procedure according to Wiki
         
        There are two steps. In the first step, the proposed Amendment must find a national super majority of 67% in Congress, both House (people) and Senate (states).
        * This was done, right ?  Should be able to verify in the Statutes at Large ?
         
        The second step requires a super-super 75% majority of the states ratifying, representing a majority of the people in the states ratifying. Congress determines whether the state legislatures or special state conventions ratify the amendment.[33]
         
        I am guessing that, if only 12 out of 18 states ratified the 'lost' 13th amendment ... it never reached full lawful status as a 'cured' amendment ?
         
        For Truth, Justice and Liberty,
        Don Quixote
         
         
         

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