RE: [tips_and_tricks] Re: What are Legislatures? Creatures of the Constitution: a judge who gets it :-)
- Michael, with whom I usually agree, wrote:
> --- "Frog Farmer" <frogfrmr@...> wrote:In my way of thinking, corporate entities by definition cannot exist
> > Reality knows that life and corporations do not
> > co-exist.
> Parsing the word "life" to a restricted definition
> does nothing to change the idiomatic use of the word.
> "life," as it were, is alive and well for both the
> FEDERAL and STATE governments. The courts, the
> jails, and the ever-expanding "lifeform" of the
> FEDERAL de factos confirms this.
outside their charters, although the human officers may do anything and
claim they do it for the corporation, their claims are meaningless to
If an action taken by a fiduciary is not authorized, I don't have to
ratify it, but I may if I choose to do so. I think that one of the main
problems we face is that people ratify unauthorized actions by errant
fiduciaries but more often they approve of "de facto" portrayals of
fiduciaries by mere impersonators.
> > Sovereignty, the organic constitution and the stateOne deals with living, breathing entities, and one can only deal with
> > guarantee of a Republican form of government are not
> > in the same paradigm as corporate pretensions.
> Never said they were. They are mutually exlusive, and
> FEDERAL and STATE makes sure it stays that way.
pretensions. None of us can be mandated to pretend without our consent.
We may all insist on "de jure" and reject "de facto" if they do not
match, unless we agree not to do so in a contract.
> > I say the fans cannot be persuaded to leave the field,The game that I've been saying is over for years is the one that relies
> > but the game is over because none of the rules are being
> > enforced, the score is faked, and all one can see are
> > snips of what looks like the old game that is
> > over, but there is no cohesiveness from beginning to end
> > as in a real game.
> I said the other game is alive and well. You say the
> old game is over. A point made without a distinction.
> Potato, potahto.
upon the use of the word "dollar". Every time my usurping impersonating
neighbors come against me for some reason, they always involve the use
of that word! But they are never using it properly! So I don't play
with them and they get saddened by my reaction to their administrative
Those who wish to permit misuse of the word "dollar" still have lots of
games they can play! It does require permission though...
> > The 14th is void. If one says it is not, it is notNo, he just collected the official records that proved it for us all.
> > for them. It's another example of the fans not wanting
> > to quit the fake game.
> The number for whom the 14th is void is miniscule. Wasn't
> it Benson who spent so much time and money "trying" to
> prove the 16th was void?
> To use a previous expression,I say that there is no such group as monolithic "FEDERALS". There are
> for the FEDERALs, the 14th is very alive and well.
conniving co-conspirators though.... And there are recent cases that
show that not all "federals" believe in the validity of the 14th
amendment, which itself never complied with the requirements for a
constitutional amendment but is very popular with many people who can
accept "de facto" in place of "de jure" in their lives. Slaves are very
accepting, as a group demographic. People who trade labor & substance
for fiat are slaves.
> Saying otherwise does not make it so, in the non-FF world.Just as I live in the FF world, every one of us has the same rights to
their own necessarily subjective view of reality. Is the non-FF world
the same one as the non-Michael world? No, it is not, although they are
Saying other than the truth does not make anything so anywhere, although
lies are effectual persuaders.
> > We can all be money-changers.I guess that by "we" here I mean those competent to comprehend the idea
> Oh, FF...who is the "We" from which you so frequently
> exclude yourself. But using "We," the numbers who may
> fit into that specific category is said to be around
> 3%, and some of them are merely trying to make the right choice,
> rather than using that choice as
> an expression of a sovereign exercise. However, that
> is merely an opinion that I could not back up.
of it (money-changing).
> > Show me a rights v. privileges argument that wasTo me the collective has blood in their veins. I just use myself as an
> > dismissed and I'll show you a person who had a
> > privilege and didn't realize it wasn't a right.
> > Do you really think anyone who uses a Social Security
> > number has rights instead of privileges? Do you think
> > they are forced to do so?
> > Why am I not forced to do things others claim they are
> > forced to do?
> From the collective back to your standard singular "I."
> Do not really see much difference in what I have beenAgain, the "IMOC" is THE MOMENT, not the Plan put into effect in the
> saying and your editorials that followed, as the next
> comment demonstrates:
> > Few care to ever claim a republican form of government
> > as early as the IMOC or as late as their allocution.
> Were it could be that the IMOC had the same effect
> outside the STATE OF CALIFORNIA. Alas, there are
> more STATES for which that has no effect, and I can
> assert that at was useless on three attempts by me.
> However, it did work once when I challenged a
> suburban district attorney to prove he had taken
> the proper oath of office, and my traffic case was:
> "Oh, that case has been dismissed." said the "judge."
moment! The initial moment of confrontation takes place everywhere, any
time, even in the jungle when a tiger rounds the bend in the trail! It
occurs in every state and begins every "case". To confuse the IMOC
moment with my chosen First Step of Disqualification, is a case of
mistaken identity. The Step is taken in the Moment, and if it is not
appropriate where you live (although I cannot see how anywhere allows
unqualified actors to act!) then there must be another appropriate first
step to be taken in that location, other than the usual admissions and
confessions and right waivers that 90%+ usually make..
> > The more momentum they build, the harder they are to stop.I notice that nobody has gotten the clue to my defense to (reliance
> Said momentum has been building since the day of sine die.
> It has reached tsunami proportions.
upon??) General Order 100.
> > Most lemmings go over the cliffs into theWhere are lemmings that know how to swim?
> > sea, but a few survive to propagate the race...
> Darwinism says, it is not the strongest, nor the
> smartest that survive, but those who are best able
> to adapt to change.
> > Speak for yourself, because my status quo is justJust because I reply to you doesn't mean I dissent. I agree with you a
> > how I like it!
> A reversion back to the singular, and back to your
> "old form." I frankly fail to see much dissent in
> what has been expressed, albeit in a slightly
> different manner.
lot. I do appreciate attempts at communication!
> > Meanwhile the Silver Liberation Army is fightingNo, it's not overstated if you are a member of it and you are following
> > back and doing what must be done without waiting
> > for the masses to approve and copycat. Crash the
> > banksters & buy physical silver. That's how to resist!
> Silver Liberation Army? A bit overstated. If the
> masses are not participating, how big an "army" can
> it be.
along with the story. It has made mainstream news although not under
that name. It does not have to be that big either to have a good
effect. And it is growing every day, and is not limited to our borders.
I would hope that every member of this list has recently bought at least
one ounce of silver, and if they have not, well, then that they reap
what they sow and get what they deserve.
Max Keiser writes:
Interesting interview with Ben Davies of Hinde Capital. He talks about
how 'one individual in particular' has been increasing the demand (and
price) for silver with a 'call to arms.' This is a great endorsement for
the SLA as having the collective buying power needed to move the price
of silver. We've been so successful in fact that the CME has had to
raise margin requirements 5 times to try and keep up with the SLA. The
resultant cheaper prices and the brazen attempt by the CME to protect
financial terrorist No. 1 - Jamie Dimon - ACT AS A RECRUITING MECHANISM
FOR NEW SLA MEMBERS. As we double and triple our size, the SLA's numbers
hit their own 'criticality' and the stage is set for $500 silver (Ben
Davies mentions $490 silver in this interview by the way). Ben Davies is
a hedge fund manager operating in the pressure cooker of intense
competition who, by necessity, is apolitical. The SLA is purely
political. We have identified silver as the market we want to take over
and dominate for political reasons; as a means to get rid of the US
dollar and JPM, and we have the global numbers to do it. My analysis of
the risks and rewards led me to determine that the terrorists
controlling the silver market never counted on a global political
movement to take them down - by buying silver. I think people are caught
off guard that the vulnerability I identified in the Silver market is in
fact playing out as I knew it would. Silver is their weak spot. If you
had any doubts, this past week's actions by the CME and turncoat
momentum traitors should remove those doubts.
> While the number of silver Eagles sold has beenIt would if the traitors in government were not using the taxpayers to
> unprecedented over the past several months, the 3%
> figure used, and I may have gotten that from another
> highly read cite, which I will not mention, for Bear's
> sake, in the larger scheme, that ain't what will crash the
cover all their bad bets! But so far, that is what is happening. So
maybe we need to keep it up and see just how far the Boobus Americanus
will foot the bill.
> More likely, it is China and India, countries, thatIt all adds up. The supply of silver is finite and if one doesn't buy
> are buying huge quantities of silver, [and gold], It
> is the University of Texas taking delivery of $1 billion
> in physical gold that is making a difference. Silver
> Eagles are a drop in the proverbial "bankster" bucket.
any particular ounce of it, another will. Dealers have been sold out
and have delayed deliveries. Eric Sprott cannot obtain all that he
attempts to obtain. You and I still can get any small amount we can.
Weak hands are selling right now.
> I do know several people who have been buying silverI guess this is where the value lies in being able to separate oneself
> and gold for some time. Not one of them thinks in
> terms of defeating the "banksters" or "registering"
> their "vote" against the de facto government, and they
> do not even know there IS a de facto government.
> One cannot mix potahtos with tomahtos.
from the herd. I really spend little time caring what others do or
think, especially when the lack of their thinking is the topic like you
raise here. Commies called them "useful idiots" and "dupes".
> FF is avidly read by most, if not all, on this board,No, you are not unique in that sentiment. BUT, realize that part of
> and much of what he contributes has been very beneficial
> in learning how to defend oneself in the "land of
> make believe" that is a reality for...pick any number
> anyone wants...I say 99%, maybe it is 98%, or 97%, who
> have the will and the capability to fight the fight
> against the corporate FEDERAL and STATE "reality."
> While Bear may have found the tone of my comments
> "hopeless," I admit there is such an air in them,
> but it is based upon my personal experiences, and
> that is the point of posting what I did. I doubt
> I am unique in that sentiment.
your enemy's plan is to demoralize you, and stubbornness alone may keep
you fighting another day. Even if I felt suicidal, knowing my enemy
wants just that, I am so stubborn I'd refuse to blow my brains out just
to disappoint him!
> FF leans heavily on his IMOC, but for the vastThis paragraph proves my point that there is confusion between the
> majority, it does not apply, for whatever reason[s},
> and no matter how ardently he brings it up.
Moment and What I Do in it! Here's how I "lean on the Moment": If it
never occurs then I have no problem; when it does occur I'm ready for
it! The Moment can occur for anyone anywhere at any time! The INITIAL
MOMENT OF CONFRONTATION! What one does when it occurs depends upon the
law where one is! It may indeed be true that in other places outside of
California, there is no way to prevent unqualified impersonators from
usurping lawful functions and moving the machinery of government. I do
find it hard to believe though, but I am not motivated to research the
proper response for anywhere I have no need to be in.
I would have thought that the US government could keep unqualified
actors out of office, but today we have a case where despite massive
evidence that we currently do not have a natural born president like our
constitution requires it seems that many in both high and low positions
do not care when their other interests are in conflict with that fact.
Still, those who know and care have acted alone in acts of
disqualification (of Obama) in their own cases. Only a few penetrate
the media filter so you might learn of them.
> In an ideal world, the stark reality of an informedSURE IT IS! All of our worlds are in the real world! The real world is
> FF-type response to what is, along with the many
> on-point case cites Bear takes the time to research
> and so willingly contributes here, would be picked up
> as a gauntlet and used against the faux-powers that be.
> In the real world, that is not the case.
too big for any one of us to fully comprehend! We deal with the part we
> It is not out of hopeless that I began a challengeSounds reasonable to me.
> to the COOK COUNTY TREASURER to prove her defective
> oath of office has not left the office vacant, while
> at the same time, demanding to know exactly what it
> is that is being demanded of me to "pay" said property
> I will say that in the initial response, it did NOTSounds good. I wonder whose job it is to use unsigned letters to answer
> come from the person challenged, rather it was an
> unsigned letter stating that the Treasurer did not
> have jurisdiction over certain determinations, none
> of which addressed my challenge[s]. Notice and Demand
> letter three was sent out a few weeks ago.
> The fight, in one form or another, continues...
for challenged individuals... maybe you could ask and say you'd like to
apply for that job! Would you have to be a licensed attorney or in that
jurisdiction, are there no qualifications for any job?!
> Cheers, all...Yes, be of good cheer because the impossible system is widely being
revealed as being impossible to more and more people every passing day.
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Frog Farmer" <frogfrmr@...> wrote:
> The game that I've been saying is over for yearsWith so much to learn in order to do, this is one
> is the one that relies upon the use of the word
> "dollar". Every time my usurping impersonating
> neighbors come against me for some reason, they
> always involve the use of that word! But they
> are never using it properly! So I don't play
> with them and they get saddened by my reaction
> to their administrative attempts.
of those lessons that shouts out as key, for it does
silence those who would otherwise trod over one's
singular, real existence. It may not be the "silver
bullet," but it has the effect of driving a wooden
stake through the heart of the opposition.
Mention has been made of my case against the Illinois
Toll Authority challenging what is being demanded
as payment. While a court "loss," it has not resulted
in any. In my appeal, which was dismissed as "untimely,"
in a ploy used by the appellate court to chicken out,
the Summary Order dismissing it came back as "This
Order Is Not Precedential And Is Not To Be Cited."
Certainly, the money issue struck a nerve!
I recently read that no court will allow ANY case,
from one who is without an attorney and who wins,
[and even those who do not "win" but raise the issue
of "money."] to be published lest the publication of
it be used as a learning tool for others and be a
source for more of the same.
Everyone, [excepting those who already "do"] on this
site should take note of the FACT that the money issue
is an important tool to be used in every possible
instance where any form of government is making a
demand to pay either "$" or "pay the amount..." The
door was just opened as wide as can be. Walk through
it to your advantage.
The most common type of court case anyone is exposed
to is traffic. Use the money issue when a determination
of "guilt" is made. Object and demand to know what is
being demanded as a fine, in what form, etc. This small
step, if used by many, and there is NO excuse why not,
will lead to bigger steps, like me now challenging what
is being demanded to pay property tax, and HOW was the
If you are not willing to take the first step, then
realize you are sanctioning that which you seemingly
oppose. Is it "fear?" Turn that "fear" into fight!
Thanks to FF for presenting this, among so many
other issues. The FF, a user of gems who is one
Silver has just taken a precipitious drop from just
under $50 to as low as just under $34. This may be
one of the most significant fire sales for silver
in everyone's lifetime. Those who want to be "doers"
have to take SOME form of action, and buying silver,
in any quantity, is one of the most important ways
of making a difference when it otherwise seems so
Buying silver is better than making a "registered vote."
Resolve to make a difference, today...everyday! Making
a difference is a matter of choice. Make your choice
a matter of habit, and you will soon see a difference.
If anyone has better ideas, post one!
Let me add that I have fought other cases, mostly
traffic, that I lost. My argument was pretty solid,
and no state attorney effectively counter-argued me.
It was always the judge who made a final adverse
determination, often for a bogus reason, and the
appellate would back up the decision.
Cost to me? Fines. Cost to the STATE, double or
triple, if not more, in obtaining the fines. The
system cannot afford to operate that way, but it
absorbs minor losses, like mine, because it is
cheaper than taking on hundreds of others who would
choose to fight, who simply choose not to fight.
I may not be the best example, nor offer the best
examples, but I am in there, refusing to cooperate
with the corporate. I present my poorly executed
examples for others to use and improve upon, at will.
It is from here that I received so much in order to do.
Isn't that what this site is all about, he asked
- Michael wrote:
> --- In email@example.com, "Frog Farmer" <frogfrmr@...>George Gordon said, "The conversation breaks right down."
> > The game that I've been saying is over for years
> > is the one that relies upon the use of the word
> > "dollar". Every time my usurping impersonating
> > neighbors come against me for some reason, they
> > always involve the use of that word! But they
> > are never using it properly! So I don't play
> > with them and they get saddened by my reaction
> > to their administrative attempts.
> With so much to learn in order to do, this is one
> of those lessons that shouts out as key, for it does
> silence those who would otherwise trod over one's
> singular, real existence. It may not be the "silver
> bullet," but it has the effect of driving a wooden
> stake through the heart of the opposition.
That's what I want out of every IMOC. I want us all to go separate ways
and have a nice day. Otherwise no one knows what might happen! I
definitely know that some paycheck anticipators may become at risk at
their station at the public feeding trough, and make that known in the
moments following the IMOC (which takes a minute or less, right? Maybe
just a millisecond? Nanosecond now with robot computer witnesses??).
My last IMOC and subsequent hours proved very interesting. I have to
say, unless they're just stalling for time while targeting the guided
missile, or prepping the sniper, they do have me thinking that I'm on
the right track for achieving my main goal, which is to be left alone.
> Mention has been made of my case against the IllinoisWhen you win, recognize it and back off, is a lesson I learned on my
> Toll Authority challenging what is being demanded
> as payment. While a court "loss," it has not resulted
> in any. In my appeal, which was dismissed as "untimely,"
> in a ploy used by the appellate court to chicken out,
> the Summary Order dismissing it came back as "This
> Order Is Not Precedential And Is Not To Be Cited."
> Certainly, the money issue struck a nerve!
very first case. I won too early, but was a new law student
(non-school) and had plans to see this and that later step "work". So
when I won early I didn't recognize it, and then I was dumb enough to
make sure they continued with the process. In doing so, we all had lots
of "fun" and I got to train many new hires (I was the grist for their
mill) for three years. I was worked hard, but I was happy to get the
education I so wanted! BUT, looking back, I wish I had spared myself
the trouble, because other following cases took other time that could
have used more quality time and attention...
> I recently read that no court will allow ANY case,That's okay, because followers need not apply. We all need our own
> from one who is without an attorney and who wins,
> [and even those who do not "win" but raise the issue
> of "money."] to be published lest the publication of
> it be used as a learning tool for others and be a
> source for more of the same.
position that we own, not somebody else's that sounds good and we'll try
> Everyone, [excepting those who already "do"] on thisSylvester Stallone just said it! "ABSOLUTELY!"
> site should take note of the FACT that the money issue
> is an important tool to be used in every possible
> instance where any form of government is making a
> demand to pay either "$" or "pay the amount..." The
> door was just opened as wide as can be. Walk through
> it to your advantage.
> The most common type of court case anyone is exposedBetter yet, in the IMOC!!! And every step thereafter!!! Make these
> to is traffic. Use the money issue when a determination
> of "guilt" is made.
paycheck anticipators burn a few calories off between their ears!
> Object and demand to know what isNo!! Too vague and might lead to embarrassing admissions and
> being demanded as a fine, in what form, etc.
confessions! The question for the Knaves is:
(As taught to me by Merrill Jenkins):
"WHAT is the current MONEY OF ACCOUNT of the United States and HOW MUCH
of THAT is a "Dollar" Quantity?"
When you asked that question, you just pulled the pin...what comes next
could be "interesting". A lot depends upon your personal knowledge of
the subject so that you can refute lies instantaneously, as a lie
acceded to looks like fact in the record.
> This smallRight! NO EXCUSE WHY NOT!! Except that the pizza on the front seat
> step, if used by many, and there is NO excuse why not,
might get cold! Or, my kids were at home alone, or...etc.
> will lead to bigger steps, like me now challenging whatHere is a story I might have told before, short version. I guy I know
> is being demanded to pay property tax, and HOW was the
> assessment determined?
used pinto beans to pay, and waited for an objection. No objection! Why
would a paycheck-anticipating unsworn impersonator of an assessor want
to rock his own cushy boat!? That guy was not the only one to say "No!"
in his own unique style. None of this depends upon your adversary
understanding anything! Did you hear? At last check almost half of
Detroit's Americans cannot read! Does anyone know the numbers where
they are? I don't care what they are, I assume everyone I meet is a
moron or imbecile until they prove otherwise. I'm a self-designated
idiot clown, in the original sense. I'm pleased as punch to meet a
> If you are not willing to take the first step, thenFEAR = False Evidence Appearing Real
> realize you are sanctioning that which you seemingly
> oppose. Is it "fear?" Turn that "fear" into fight!
Prove that wrong to yourself, go ahead, try!
> Thanks to FF for presenting this, among so manyAw shucks, I like you too! Last gems I used were at an Indian Casino -
> other issues. The FF, a user of gems who is one
makum heap big wampum! Unfortunately, two squaws ripped me off for most
of that big wampum. I know, I sound callous using that term, but they
used it first ("kinda like" Blacks use the N word)! They use their
Tribal membership to make the cost of fighting their rip-off too much
for me, and they were successful. That's okay because I take their
whole casino for many many times more nickels than they got taking two
little orange tourmalines.
A funny thing about casinos is the front panels on a lot of the slot
machines have gems prominently displayed among piles of paper money and
columns of gold and silver coins, and gold and silver bars. The Gems
are actually the most concentrated form of wealth in the picture. If
you had to run with the first thing you'd grab, most Americans would
grab the paper money. So sad! Orientals tend to grok the inclusion of
gems, while few Americans can even approximate the values.
> Silver has just taken a precipitious drop from justYes, and if one is at all interested but skeptical, there is much
> under $50 to as low as just under $34. This may be
> one of the most significant fire sales for silver
> in everyone's lifetime. Those who want to be "doers"
> have to take SOME form of action, and buying silver,
> in any quantity, is one of the most important ways
> of making a difference when it otherwise seems so
written about it already.
> Buying silver is better than making a "registered vote."By your own law it is THE MONEY. Most Americans have no American money.
Even bums had it when I was a kid! Everybody had it, but went for paper
instead, well, not "everybody".
> Resolve to make a difference, today...everyday! MakingJump in, the water's fine!
> a difference is a matter of choice. Make your choice
> a matter of habit, and you will soon see a difference.
> Let me add that I have fought other cases, mostlyTHAT is WHY disqualifying EVERYBODY is cost effective for you!
> traffic, that I lost. My argument was pretty solid,
> and no state attorney effectively counter-argued me.
> It was always the judge who made a final adverse
> determination, often for a bogus reason, and the
> appellate would back up the decision.
> Cost to me? Fines. Cost to the STATE, double orThat is the crux, corporeal versus corporate.
> triple, if not more, in obtaining the fines. The
> system cannot afford to operate that way, but it
> absorbs minor losses, like mine, because it is
> cheaper than taking on hundreds of others who would
> choose to fight, who simply choose not to fight.
> I may not be the best example, nor offer the best
> examples, but I am in there, refusing to cooperate
> with the corporate.
> I present my poorly executedWho is to judge your fight when nobody but you is there to witness it
> examples for others to use and improve upon, at will.
> It is from here that I received so much in order to do.
> Isn't that what this site is all about, he asked
live? There is not time to wait until somebody "does it" perfectly and
then also happens to write about it perfectly on this here list!
> Cheers!"If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right."
- George Gordon