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  • JcP
    ... The United States Supreme Court decided in Flemming v. Nestor (1960) that no one has an accrued property right to benefits from Social Security. You have
    Message 1 of 12 , Apr 13 8:07 AM
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      The United States Supreme Court decided in Flemming v. Nestor (1960) that no one has an accrued property right to benefits from Social Security.
       
      You have to pay FICA for 10 years or 40 quarters and then you are eligible for getting the claim. You can get the claim after your retirement or on your voluntary retirement. In general, if you have 40 "quarters" of coverage, you are considered to be fully insured and may be entitled to receive a benefit as early as age 62.
       
      So, does/can this mean one would be "vested" and discontinue having the FICA deducted form payroll after the 40 quarter requirement?
      If so, how would one have the deduction(s) halted? Is there a procedure/form?
       
      Or, does it mean, you are eligible, yet you remain having the deductions till you claim?
       

       

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    • frank gallimore
      I appreciate this question too. I had worked and paid into SS up through 2000. What I have noticed is that SS sends me a report from time to time, I believe
      Message 2 of 12 , Apr 13 10:49 AM
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        I appreciate this question too. I had worked and paid into SS up through 2000. What I have noticed is that SS sends me a report from time to time, I believe about every 3 or so years and readjusts my benefits and the amount keeps depreciating due to the lack of more income being shown year after year.
         
        Does this mean that if I don't pay anymore into the SS for the next 20 years, which is about the time I am able to collect, that it will continue to go "down"? as well as death benefits for family keeps depreciating as well?
         
        Thank you
         


         
        On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 8:07 AM, JcP <jcpes1@...> wrote:



        The United States Supreme Court decided in Flemming v. Nestor (1960) that no one has an accrued property right to benefits from Social Security.
         
        You have to pay FICA for 10 years or 40 quarters and then you are eligible for getting the claim. You can get the claim after your retirement or on your voluntary retirement. In general, if you have 40 "quarters" of coverage, you are considered to be fully insured and may be entitled to receive a benefit as early as age 62.
         
        So, does/can this mean one would be "vested" and discontinue having the FICA deducted form payroll after the 40 quarter requirement?
        If so, how would one have the deduction(s) halted? Is there a procedure/form?
         
        Or, does it mean, you are eligible, yet you remain having the deductions till you claim?
         

         

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      • JcP
        YES !!! I am searching the same direction. That is the reason for the question. I as wondering if anyone has had any success. I have paid into the Ponzi Scheme
        Message 3 of 12 , Apr 14 5:59 AM
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          YES !!! I am searching the same direction. That is the reason for the question. I as wondering if anyone has had any success. I have paid into the Ponzi Scheme for over 30 years!
          Recently, I contracted with a Private employer and gave NO SS number. Seems that whatever accounting program they use, they just NEED to put a number in there. So they inserted some fictitious number in place of my SS number and made the deduction anyway !! Where the heck did that go ??? Really Fishy to me.... I am still trying to figure out how to get those funds returned to me.
        • dave
          What did the blind man say when he walked by the fish market? Answer 2 : I must be in front of a federal court house, the DOJ or the IRS. [Answer 1 people know
          Message 4 of 12 , Apr 14 1:54 PM
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            What did the blind man say when he walked by the fish market?

            Answer 2 : I must be in front of a federal court house, the DOJ or the IRS.

            [Answer 1 people know as an off color joke]

             

            Remember…all W2/W3 are filed with SSA…not IRS.

            Rule 2 is the federal government knows you by number.

            Rule 3 is without YOU telling them the match to name or address they are helpless.

            Rule 4 is the IRS only knows your address from either a past return or a change of address.

             

            Most of the time the employer is instructed to insert 000-00-0000 if they don’t know your Socialist Insecurity Number on W2/W3 forms. Then it shows up as credited to the name only from what SS told me. They kick back a letter to the employer trying to ascertain the number. At that point it dies if employer does nothing as far as SS is concerned. From what I conjectured its held as credited to the name only as far as SS is concerned. [SSA could really care less with really trying to credit your SSA account….so they try as hard as any other govt worker…aka..not much]

             

            This is unconfirmed but based on an experiment, this is how I think it works next. Now the SS hands stuff over to the IRS who now has a vested interest in finding out who you are. So in the words of Avis, “They try harder to ‘service you.’ “and that is where they try to figure out from the address on the forms (w2/W3/W4 etc)  IF that matches an address the IRS has in its system from either : (1) a past tax return filed or (2) a change of address filed. If the address matches then they assume it to be YOUR name linked with THEIR SSN they have on file from that address.

             

            Thus someone once told me….

            DO NOT USE ANY ADDRESS FROM ANYTHING THE IRS HAS IN THEIR SYSTEM ON ANY W4 or ANYTHING you give an EMPLOYER..

             

             

             

             

            From: tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JcP
            Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:59 AM
            To: tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [tips_and_tricks] Re: FICA

             




            YES !!! I am searching the same direction. That is the reason for the question. I as wondering if anyone has had any success. I have paid into the Ponzi Scheme for over 30 years!

            Recently, I contracted with a Private employer and gave NO SS number. Seems that whatever accounting program they use, they just NEED to put a number in there. So they inserted some fictitious number in place of my SS number and made the deduction anyway !! Where the heck did that go ??? Really Fishy to me.... I am still trying to figure out how to get those funds returned to me.

          • macwildstar-rr
            I have worked with several small business, and set up their computer networks and payroll software. I remember one company in particular whose owner was a CPA
            Message 5 of 12 , Apr 14 8:38 PM
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              I have worked with several small business, and set up their computer networks and payroll software. I remember one company in particular whose owner was a CPA who did CPA stuff for spending money. We looked at over 30 payroll programs and every one of then had the same problem you describe. We finally settled on a program that we could get the company who wrote the software, to give us a modified version so that the SSN was NOT needed.  I have no idea why he wanted it that way, as it was before I became totally involved with this stuff. He said something about keeping track of paying the kid who mowed the lawn, but would not have taxes taken out of his check. And like you said, if a SSN was there, it took taxes.
               
              Oh the other thing is, Not one of these programs had an EXEMPTION function. I.E. you file exempt on a w-4 form (full time students are lawfully exempt).
               
               
               
              ----- Original Message -----
              From: JcP
              Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 8:59 AM
              Subject: [tips_and_tricks] Re: FICA

              YES !!! I am searching the same direction. That is the reason for the question. I as wondering if anyone has had any success. I have paid into the Ponzi Scheme for over 30 years!
              Recently, I contracted with a Private employer and gave NO SS number. Seems that whatever accounting program they use, they just NEED to put a number in there. So they inserted some fictitious number in place of my SS number and made the deduction anyway !! Where the heck did that go ??? Really Fishy to me.... I am still trying to figure out how to get those funds returned to me.
               
            • hobot
              The default code that financial programs use to denote a non-taxed account is 888 88 8888. This is what shows on my bank account w/o SSN in US major bank
              Message 6 of 12 , Apr 14 9:59 PM
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                The default code that financial programs use to denote a non-taxed
                account is
                888 88 8888. This is what shows on my bank account w/o SSN in US major bank
                computer screen and print outs. I did not give them any number, they did
                it automatically.
                I only discovered this by 'accidental' viewing of entered data on
                opening the account and
                later verified this as a universal default number by online searches.
                In a clinic or insurance program we used a clients phone number digits
                or had
                other companies use their own in house non-tax numbers.

                BTW w/o TIN- EIN- SSN on accounts, IRS can not or does not notice it.
                even when
                they claim you owe em forever..

                Other numbers to look into as defaults or defined implications are
                999 99 9999, 000 00 0000 and 444 44 4444.

                For a. non US citizen United States of America National
                banks provide W8BEN forms to satisfy Terror Act ID
                without a zip code tax region location within a county of a union state..

                hobot
              • John Hill
                Bear, It would be nice if we could use this forum to compile a list of banks (financial institutions) that members may know of that do not require a SSN.
                Message 7 of 12 , Apr 15 3:44 AM
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                  Bear, It would be nice if we could use this forum to compile a list of banks (financial institutions) that members may know of that do not "require" a SSN. YES, I know that technically the law does not "require" one and there is a way around it. BUT, if there are any banks out there that will open an account without the hassles, then it would be nice to compile them and begin to patronize those institutions with the guts to defy the feds!
                                                                                                 
                   
                   

                • dave
                  Great idea So far around Cincinnati I know of NONE and I ve checked at least 20 banks. I did get a cryptic piece of info though from a bankster.. about the
                  Message 8 of 12 , Apr 15 5:17 PM
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                    Great idea

                     

                    So far around Cincinnati I know of NONE and I’ve checked at least 20 banks.

                    I did get a cryptic piece of info though from a bankster….”about the only people we don’t require an SSN or TIN from are illegal aliens.” The woman would not elaborate more other than to say “Check the federal regulations and its in there.”

                     

                    From: tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Hill
                    Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:44 AM
                    To: tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com
                    Subject: [tips_and_tricks] Financial Institutions that "require no SSN?

                     




                    Bear, It would be nice if we could use this forum to compile a list of banks (financial institutions) that members may know of that do not "require" a SSN. YES, I know that technically the law does not "require" one and there is a way around it. BUT, if there are any banks out there that will open an account without the hassles, then it would be nice to compile them and begin to patronize those institutions with the guts to defy the feds!

                                                                                                   

                     

                     

                     

                  • dave
                    At one time I wrote the FDIC people and asked if there were any banks that were not FDIC. I got back an angry letter saying in essence You should be glad they
                    Message 9 of 12 , Apr 15 6:30 PM
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                      At one time I wrote the FDIC people and asked if there were any banks that were not FDIC. I got back an angry letter saying in essence “You should be glad they are all FDIC!” And no…they never answered the question.

                       

                      Proving Animal House hazing mentality is still alive: “Thank you sir…may I have another?”

                       

                      From: tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com [mailto:tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Hill
                      Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:44 AM
                      To: tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [tips_and_tricks] Financial Institutions that "require no SSN?

                       




                      Bear, It would be nice if we could use this forum to compile a list of banks (financial institutions) that members may know of that do not "require" a SSN. YES, I know that technically the law does not "require" one and there is a way around it. BUT, if there are any banks out there that will open an account without the hassles, then it would be nice to compile them and begin to patronize those institutions with the guts to defy the feds!

                                                                                                     

                       

                       

                       

                    • Email41@aol.com
                      An alien, that is, a citizen or subject of a foreign state or power,residing within a given country, is called an alien ami if the country where he lives is
                      Message 10 of 12 , Apr 16 6:13 PM
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                        An alien, that is, a citizen or subject of a foreign state or power,residing within a given country, is  called an "alien ami" if the country where he lives is at peace with the country of which he is a citizen or subject; but if a state of war exists between the two countries, he is called an "enemy alien," and in that character is denied access to the courts or aid from any of the departments of governments. Black's Law, 4th Ed. pg. 621.

                        I did get a cryptic piece of info though from a bankster….”about the only people we don’t require an SSN or TIN from are illegal aliens.” The woman would not elaborate more other than to say “Check the federal regulations and its in there.”





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                      • BeatIRS@aol.com
                        Whoa, dwissel s question was answered: You should be glad they are all FDIC. Perhaps not a direct answer, but an answer nonetheless. Fred In a message
                        Message 11 of 12 , Apr 16 7:37 PM
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                          Whoa, dwissel's question was answered: "You should be glad they are
                          'all' FDIC." Perhaps not a direct answer, but an answer nonetheless.
                          Fred
                           
                          In a message dated 4/16/2009 9:05:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dwissel@... writes:


                          At one time I wrote the FDIC people and asked if there were any banks that were not FDIC. I got back an angry letter saying in essence “You should be glad they are all FDIC!” And no…they never answered the question.

                          Proving Animal House hazing mentality is still alive: “Thank you sir…may I have another?”

                          From: tips_and_tricks@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:tips_ and_tricks@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of John Hill
                          Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 6:44 AM
                          To: tips_and_tricks@ yahoogroups. com
                          Subject: [tips_and_tricks] Financial Institutions that "require no SSN?




                          Bear, It would be nice if we could use this forum to compile a list of banks (financial institutions) that members may know of that do not "require" a SSN. YES, I know that technically the law does not "require" one and there is a way around it. BUT, if there are any banks out there that will open an account without the hassles, then it would be nice to compile them and begin to patronize those institutions with the guts to defy the feds!

                                                                                                         



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                        • dave
                          More Banking Freedom News for Freedom Loving Non-Violent Americans: In this State of Ohio the banks now require TINs and state recognition for anything but a
                          Message 12 of 12 , Apr 16 8:08 PM
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                            More Banking Freedom News for Freedom Loving Non-Violent Americans:



                            In this State of Ohio the banks now require TINs and state recognition for anything but a personal account. They want something from the Suckretary of State saying you are cornholed into incorporated, sole prop. , or partner. Ahhh.but there is a way around that. The banker was quite insistent but my trick is not to argue. Instead I said, Yes, I understand for we all need to fight terror.� Next.I told the banker, Its a religious organization and no government can define or restrict the practice of religion. Check the state law and you will see. Besides I want NO interest bearing as our organization cannot show a profit. Well.it was like a LIGHT went off! In 3 banks they said, No sweat just give us an EIN number.�



                            For those of you CHEAP enough to go for INTEREST BEARING ACCOUNTS.I say You must be born STUPID for the INTEREST they give is NOT worth the hassles.�



                            Ok�.now no worry on the EIN number for I will show you that one too.



                            Here's an EIN trick: You have to remember you are to tell truth. Let's say your name is Hardy American. Get an EIN number in the name of Hardy American XYZ [where XYZ is something like Education, Religion, Foundation, Organization, Group, Club, Faith but don't use Inc. or Company or Trust as those are linked to government cornholes]. When you fill out EIN application mark down that it is for banking purposes only�. It's the truth as you will soon see. Don't provide very much information for in reality they really don't need much. In the spot for address just put down various meetings in public places�. You can even redefine penalty of perjury and cite religious reasons like Matthew.



                            So let's say you got Hardy American Club�. Any bank will deposit any check made out to that name duh. But they will also deposit any check made out to Hardy American or even H. American. So whoops a payroll check made out to Hardy could get deposited couldn't it and cashed?



                            However in most cases no court levy [except tax levy] against Hardy American himself will be honored by the bank for the bank will reject because the names are not the same remember its Hardy American Club on the account. Very handy for judgments in credit card debt huh?



                            Next warning the bank will require an SSN from anyone who is a signature on the account. Now the famous 3 letter boy's [LEVY] consider ANY money in ANY account with a SIGNATORY PARTY SSN as THEIRS! So be careful and banks grant those boys a lot of leeway. In other words IF a targeted party's SSN shows up as ANY signatory party on any account, the money is GONE flat out.



                            Trick: Get someone CLEAN� you know to be the SIGNATORY party on the account. Remember NON INTEREST BEARING CHECKING ACCOUNT. You don't need to be a signatory on the checking account IF you have checks. Why? You can sign a check with the ANY name and the bank will honor it. Yep I've signed checks SUPERMAN in big bold letters and a bank will honor it. In the words of a banker, We honor until questioned.� So WHO CARES what name is on the SSN signatory card IF you can write all the checks anyway. Ha Ha



                            Trick 2: Get the signatory party to grant you a power of attorney specifically mentioning that account number and walk in and cash checks too!
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