Re: [tips_and_tricks] Public Law 93-579 SSN/TIN/EIN
- Kenneth-Charles <kctps1@...> wrote:I was reading the requirements of the following correspondence when it occurred to me that it reads as follows; must have a "Taxpayer Identification Number " please note what I am saying "Taxpayer Identification Number " it does not say "Social Security Number" an individual can apply for a TIN or "Taxpayer Identification Number " even if one has a "Social Security Number" as a matter of fact I believe that was the requirement for those working in the public sector this way you kept an arms length distance between you as a private sector individual and the public side which deals with the UNITED STATES bankrupt CORPORATION where by you received benefits and privileges. If you are a business employer for the bankrupt corp.., then you get an employers identification number or EIN as some might recognize it, so we have the SSN; TIN and EIN.The SSN is for private persons asking for government assistance, the TIN for dealing with the IRS and other corporations and the EIN when acting a corporate individual although that area seems a bit shady.so you must point out to the financial institution that you do not have a TIN yet and that you will apply for one as quickly as possible, butt don't give out your SSN, just apply for and attempt to get a TIN then you can apply for your EIN... also when dealing with the IRS use your TIN that's what it was designed for in the first place. At least this has been my understanding.Pastor Charlessome one wanted to know how to open a bank account without a ssn#? this might help.a construtive notice, to,person or institution being served, YOU ARE BEING MADE AWARE BY THIS CONSTRUCTIVE NOTICE THAT YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW IF YOU REFUSE TO : 1. open a non-interest bearing bank account if the party wanting to open the account does not provide a social security account number or a taxpayer identification number or 2,to provide your services to a clinte or potential client because the client or potential client does not provide a social security account number or taxpayer identification number. you personally ,and the instituion you represent ,may be liable for damages and attorneys fees. in accordance with section 1 of public law 93-579, also known as the privacy act of 1974,and title 5 of the united states code annotated 552(a) ,also known as the privacy act, you are being informed of the following:,the right to privacy is a personal and fundamental right protectedby the constitution of the united states. you may maintain in your records such information about an individual as is relevant and necessary to accomplish a purpose required by statute or by executive order of the president of the united states,section 7 of the privacy act of 1974 specifically provides that it shall be unlawful for any federal,state,or local goverment agency to deny any individual any right, benefit or privilege provided by law because of such individuals refusal to disclose a social security account number. right of privacy is a personal right designed to protect persons from unlawful disclosure of personal information.....,CNA FINANCIAL CORPORATION V<LOCAL 743,515 F,SUPP.942.. in enacting section 7 of the privacy act of 1974,congress sought to curtail the expanding use of social security account numbers by federal and local agencies,and by so doing ,to eliminate the threat to indivdual privacy and confidentiality of information posed by common numerical identifiers;DOLE(V)WIKON,529 F.SUPP,1343.it shall be unlawful for any federal,state;or local goverment agency to deny any individual any right,benefit,or privilege, provided by law because of such individuals refusal to disclose a social security account number,,an agency is a relation created by express or implied contract or by law, whereby one party delegates the transaction of some lawful business whit more or less discretionary power to another, STATE EX.REAL.CITIES SERVICES GAS (V) PUBLIC SERVICES COMMISSION,85SW 2d 890.. if the institution you represent is a bank, you are advised that if such bank routinely collects information and provides such information to federal,state, or local goverment agencies,then such bank is an agency of the goverment..the 1976 amendment to the social security act,codified at 42 u.s.c section 301 et.seq,405 (c)(2)(i,iii),states that there are only four (4) instances where social security account numbers may be demanded,they are;1.for tax matters,2to recevive public assistance,3,to obtain and use a drivers license and4 to register a motor vehicle..you are advised that a non-interest bearing account does not pertain to any of the above.because the account pays no interest, there is no ,need to know, on the part of the goverment..in accordance with the privacy act of 1974, whenever an agency fails to comply with the law ,the party wronged may bring civial action in the distric court of the united states against such agency .should the court determine that the agency acted in a manner whitch was intentional or willful ,the agency shall be lible to the wronged party in an amount equal to the sum of; a,actual damages sustained, but in no case less than 1,000dollars and (b) the cost of the action together with resonable attorney fees, CONSTRUCTIVE NOTICE ISSUED BY;your name,address,then have witness by two(2)others signature,date it, done,,,take noticeto a bank where they dont know you, have some form of ID on you,tell them you want to open a account with no ss numbers, if they refuse give them copy of notice and tellthem you are going to sue if they dont abide by the law,,THERE YOU GO,,,,Steve kolka,
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