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  • Mark Ferran
    Jun 7, 2003
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      When you sign a document, it usually appears to the other party that you understand that you are signing and intend to execute an agreement, deed, or whatever.   If you do the act, without intent to be bound, but with intent to obtain the benefit of the agreement, you are committing fraud in your heart, or Larceny.
       
      Here is another example of a person signing something he did not understand:
       

      "Stupid" Mexican "honor student" signs "voluntary deportation" papers:

      This Mexican "honor student" (raised and educated in the US) signed "voluntary deportation" papers because the policemen did not "explain it" to him.   I don't think the US needs any more "honor students" who can't understand what they are signing.  He was arrested when he participated in a Socialist Worker's Demonstration in Long Beach, CA.  He whines:
       
      " I tried to explain my situation to the officer and he just told me in an aggressive tone to sign the paper. The officer then looked at another officer, and gave him a look, saying how stupid I was. As it turns out I signed a "voluntary deportation" paper. They wouldn't even explain it to me. On June ? around 10pm, I was literally dropped off at the border with nothing but the clothes I had on and the few bucks I had when I was arrested."
       
      Where can we get some of those "voluntary deportation" papers????   I think it would be a great idea to walk around with them.
       
       
       
       
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2003 6:48 PM
      Subject: Re: [tips_and_tricks] proof

      I agree that a written name can't be a signature unless the person 'signing' was aware of and UNDERSTOOD all of the facts of the contract, agreement, etc.(i.e.: the full implication of his signature).
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Thrust
      Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 6:30 PM
      Subject: Re: [tips_and_tricks] proof

      With respect to signature, it is my understanding that the mere application of the hand and pen to the page does not constitute a signature. A written name can't be a signature unless the person 'signing' UNDERSTOOD the full implication of his signature.
       
      Based on that fact, it is my understanding that unless you say it is your signature, it cannot be your signature, notary not withstanding.
       
      Can someone correct me on this?
       
       
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      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 5:19 PM
      Subject: Re: [tips_and_tricks] proof

      Folks:  This is the last time you need to hear this.  The corporation court system functions on fraud and requires the agreement from the people that the fraud is the truth in order to apply the fraud to the people.  NOW HEAR THIS:  If anything comes out of the trick bag of a commercial agent, or off the table of a commercial agent, IT IS A FRAUD.  Period.  Do not even think about.  Just say no.  If they did not bring the notary with his/her book, then you got no problem.  Hand writing experts are a joke and easily impeachable.  Someone else on this list told how to impeach the notary.  Now if you do not know the difference between JOHN SMITH and John Smith, then you will say the wrong thing and you may go to jail.  If you want to know the difference, then go here and order the video:  

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      "Darryl B. McDowell" <apostledbm@...> wrote:
      Yes, but is it true, is it righteous?
       
      Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
       
      Do unto others as ye would have others do to you.
       
      Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
       
      darryl
       
       
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 11:15 AM
      Subject: Re: [tips_and_tricks] proof

      Hillary and Bill used this approach successfully MANY times.  Thank you for
      the reminder.  If it is good enough for them, it is good enough for us.


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "*" <elementalfire@...>
      To: <tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 10:38 AM
      Subject: RE: [tips_and_tricks] proof


      > If you are presented with an allegedly original document, it might be
      better
      > to testify that you simply cannot be SURE that it is you signature.  This
      is
      > actually true as you have not always had that document in your possession
      > and what you are looking at could easily be a forgery.  That way they can
      > never claim perjury, "I don't know." is a very good answer to the
      question,
      > "Is this your signature?".  It is in fact a good answer to many questions.
      >
      > If you think carefully about it, there are very few things that you can
      > actually testify to with absolute certainty. Even something as obvious as
      > "When were you born?", there is no way you can testify under oath of that
      > date as you have no personal knowledge of it.  You only know what someone
      > told you (hearsay) and perhaps what it says on your birth certificate
      which
      > may or may not be accurate.
      >
      > "I don't know", "I can't recall" and "I don't remember" are three of the
      > best possible answers there are to many questions.
      >
      > Gary
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: lynne [mailto:wolfshadow51@...]
      > Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2003 7:00 PM
      > To: tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [tips_and_tricks] proof
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      > if you testify in court that the signature on a document is not
      > yours  that's purgery [how do you spell that?]  if a handwriting
      > expert testifys that  he's 99% sure that it's your handwriting the
      > judge will convict you  - right???  it doesn't matter how much you
      > deny it  because the common person always looses...
      >
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