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1466Re: [tips_and_tricks] Moving on

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  • Thrust
    May 14 7:58 AM
      Couldn't anyone just open up a 'virtual' country without going to incredible
      expense to actually build it? Why not just claim a few acres at the bottom
      of the sea, have a mailing address, say in The Bahamas, and have an office
      somewhere in virtual space on the internet, that sells passports and
      driver's licenses? Why make freedom so hard on ourselves?

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Tim Kiley" <tjk9161@...>
      To: <tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 11:45 AM
      Subject: [tips_and_tricks] Moving on


      > The government of the Country of Oceanus was formed in 1972 by a group of
      > people who wanted to protect the oceans of the world, so they claimed all
      of
      > the unclaimed "land" under the sea as their country. They have a website
      > (still?) if I'm not mistaken. A google search could bring up something.
      >
      > As for me, this is my direction:
      >
      > > Didn't Heinlein say that a society that requires ID hs grown too crowded
      > an
      > > one should move on?
      >
      > God bless you all!
      >
      > Tim Kiley
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Richard Johnson" <richard@...>
      > To: <tips_and_tricks@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:58 PM
      > Subject: Re: [tips_and_tricks] Re: non datur
      >
      >
      > > On Tuesday 13 May Tim Kiley wrote:
      > > " I used the Oceanus Passport for a long time with their international
      > > " driving permit, but they always look you up and charge with driving
      > > " on an expired (California) license because they find a name in their
      > > " system that looks like the one on the Passport.
      > >
      > > You are the first person I've heard from who actually used one of those
      > (if
      > > by the Oceanus passport you mean the ones issued by the Atlantis Project
      > > (aka "Oceania") a few years back. If you mean something else, I take it
      > > all back.) Anyway, if indeed you are talking about using a passport
      from
      > > one of the newly developing free states (if such a non sequitur will
      ever
      > > exist), then it's really too bad that nobody's thought (so far) to
      > > recommend or require a legal name change to obtain the citizenship in
      the
      > > new nation. Then what you describe simply could not happen.
      > >
      > > The goons here might still trace you through fingerprints, iris scans,
      > > facial recognition, voice prints, data (credit card) trails, and other
      > > invisible means, but at least just merging the data tables on your name
      or
      > > SSN would be pretty pointless.
      > >
      > > " I believe that the International License and Passports may get harder
      > > " to use with Fatherland, I mean, Homeland Security.
      > >
      > > I hearrd that "they" have been cracking down on international licenses
      > > laterly. Would it make sense (I'm speculating out loud here) to have a
      > > regular license from your (new) "native" nation and a regular "domestic"
      > > license in say California in either your new or old name? I'm not sure
      > > what that would entail or what it would mean in practice, so I'm just
      > > thinking out loud and soliciting thoughts.
      > >
      > > Didn't Heinlein say that a society that requires ID hs grown too crowded
      > an
      > > one should move on?
      > > --
      > > Richard Johnson
      > richard@...
      > > Cuis custodiet ipsos custodes? Cui bono?
      > >
      > >
      > >
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