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9738Re: [TBG] Re: How can we as Buddhist develop more Compassion ?:

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  • Steven Levey
    Dec 17, 2007
      Dear Mike,
         Regarding this statement of yours:
       "I personally, believe kind and gentle speech is VERY important online
      when communicating with/about these troubled/disturbed individuals who,
      through no fault of their own, are suffering mental illness."
          I feel a couple of ways at once about this. First, let me say that I think your basic point is well taken. But I also think it serves well to have another explain a situation as best they can, (such as he who initially made us aware of the other's issues) without, as you mentioned, harsh overtones. That is, if they are really aware of something regarding a possible abuse of trust, of which others may not.
         Secondly, If it were true that the mental instability in question were really-karmically, not the fault of the disturbed individual, then by the law of our being and Karma, there would be no way for one to make corrections (even as presented by a practioner), if they were inclined to allow Buddhism to work its alchemy upon them through a new humility and Mindfullness. This is because we are all responsable for the state of our minds, even in so much that the causes seem inscrutable. So, if we are not the cause, then we can not be the effect. Therefore, it must be true-only if we are the cause can we be effective in making the change, which we first have to admit we need (no small task), and then admit that only through "self devised and self imposed efforts" can equalibrium be reinstated-by the one who at some point must have been the original cause in the resultant disequalibrium (even in the case where our Karma has had us incarnate in a body with an imperfect mind/brain relationship-it is still our Karma!). It is taught, and experience shows, that Cause and Effect is an exact linear relationship, although egoity wishes for only reasons it knows, to make it seem otherwise. Of course this is part of the problem of any resultant mental disequalibrium.
         There is a Tibetan text which says that "The mind is the great slayer of the Real. Let the disciple slay the slayer". The implication being that it is only though Buddha mind that the Monkey mind can be aligned. However, until then, the Monkey mind is, through attachment to external phenomena, making desicions based upon Mara. To varying degrees, this is the cause of delusion for all of us and to those most afflicted, it is also the basis of their "troubled/disturbed" state.
         None of the above is merely imperical. It is an understanding arrived at through Mindfullness and application to my own issues, as I have learned from those wiser than me. Does it require a "Professional" to present the antidote? Or, will a "wakefull" being do? Can there be both?-Sure. I think it aught to be said however, as Psong ka pa points out, as do others, that this human state is rare to attain, and per the Diamond Sutra, it is must be even further rare to have the Karma of the Three Jewels in ones life. To abuse such a combination seems very sad.

      ----- Original Message ----
      From: imperialdlptutoring <imperialdlptutoring@...>
      To: tibetanbuddhistgroup@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2007 5:00:26 AM
      Subject: [TBG] Re: How can we as Buddhist develop more Compassion ?:

      Just picking up on one (important) point and then I really will go
      quiet, return to my practice, and allow the group/list to do the same:

      --- In tibetanbuddhistgrou p@yahoogroups. com, "dorjeshonnu"
      <dorjeshonnu@ ...> wrote:

      > Kusum Lingpa only recognized him to be a pretty crazy guy. He seemed
      > to me to be mentally unbalanced although not harmful.

      Since Buddhism IS par excellence about sanity and having a healthy mind
      (and, indeed, the benefits of meditation in terms of mental health are
      widely documented), not surprisingly, quite a few people suffering
      mental illness ARE drawn to Buddhism (in a genuine effort to take
      control of their minds and help themselves). So my personal view is
      that the compassionate action, so far as possible, is to welcome these
      individuals and applaud/assist them in their efforts to help themselves
      (albeit sometimes deluded and misguided) rather than condemn them.

      I also believe quite a few individuals suffering mental illness
      subscribe to online Buddhist lists like this one. So, since people
      suffering mental illness may be very vulnerable, and we cannot know
      what state of mind they are in when posting/reading online messages I,
      personally, believe kind and gentle speech is VERY important online
      when communicating with/about these troubled/disturbed individuals who,
      through no fault of their own, are suffering mental illness. If anyone
      reading this post IS suffering mental illness (and there is no stigma
      in that) perhaps I could draw your attention to the Buddhist Wellness

      http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/BuddhistWe llnessGroup/

      ... which has an explicitly mental health focus and where all are
      welcomed (whether monks or not ;-) ).

      OK, I really WILL go quiet here and leave everyone in peace to get on
      with their practice!

      With metta,


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