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  • Steve Griffin
    Jul 16, 2005
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      So far, it looks to me like anything that disagrees with a pro-gay marriage stance is
      automatically judged as "hate" in this discussion. Is that a good way to open a healthy
      discussion on the topic? Or would an opposing view even be invited?

      Steve

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      Subject: [Third Day] Digest Number 1007

      > There are 2 messages in this issue.
      >
      > Topics in this digest:
      >
      > 1. RE: poll on gay marriage
      > From: Robyn <robynsjunk@...>
      > 2. RE: poll on gay marriage
      > From: "Katie Francisco" <kayters@...>
      >
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      > Message: 1
      > Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:12:57 -0700 (PDT)
      > From: Robyn <robynsjunk@...>
      > Subject: RE: poll on gay marriage
      >
      > Domestic partnership - I don't see why anyone would
      > have a problem with that. Marriage does have a special
      > meaning to me.
      >
      > It's such a shame that people in God's churches would
      > hate but you know it's true. God knows what's in
      > people's hearts.
      >
      > Thanks for the education. I'm not well read lately!
      > How do gays in general like the term?
      >
      > --- "kayters@..." <kayters@...> wrote:
      >
      > > Actually, I think that's more where I fall than into
      > > the "marriage" thing.
      > > Some states have something called "domestic
      > > partnership" which has the same
      > > benefits as marriage, without the name. I think
      > > "marriage" implies a
      > > religious thing to a lot of people, thus the
      > > controversy.
      > >
      > > There is a lot of pure hate out there disguised as
      > > religion. Let us never
      > > forget that Jesus picked people to hang out with
      > > that wouldn't be welcome
      > > in a lot of churches today. We love the sinner,
      > > hate the sin. Too many
      > > people hate both or make it seem that way. It's a
      > > turnoff to people who
      > > have real problems and are seeking answers if all
      > > they hear is how horrible
      > > they are. Their conscience tells them that
      > > something is wrong!
      > >
      > > Katie :)
      > >
      > > Original Message:
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      > > From: Oglesby Robyn robyn.oglesby@...
      > > Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:23:11 -0500
      > > To: thirdday@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: RE: [Third Day] poll on gay marriage
      > >
      > >
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      > > I really haven't studied this issue so I don't know
      > > exactly what's at stake
      > > here. Can't they come up with a word other than
      > > "marriage" for gays? And
      > > then give them the same benefits such as insurance,
      > > taxes, etc? I think
      > > marriage is an "institution" for man/woman in the
      > > eyes of God. But I do
      > > agree with you on almost everything else.<BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > It's a simple thought but not simple to put into
      > > action and I'm sure that
      > > ins companies and the government do not want things
      > > to change for monetary
      > > reasons. Just seems like there could be a way to
      > > be fair to gays without
      > > changing the "rules" of marriage. <BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > -----Original Message-----<BR>
      > > From: thirdday@yahoogroups.com
      > > [mailto:thirdday@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
      > > Of Duncan Smith<BR>
      > > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:39 PM<BR>
      > > To: thirdday@yahoogroups.com<BR>
      > > Subject: [Third Day] poll on gay marriage<BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > Miriam (aka myhopeizyou@ um, i forget the domain),
      > > you didn't give a <BR>
      > > reason for opposing gay marriage. Please go ahead
      > > and post your reason <BR>
      > > to the list when you get a chance. Now, I have voted
      > > in favour, and <BR>
      > > this is the reason. Restricting the right of
      > > homosexuals to marry will <BR>
      > > not "cure" them, it will not help them see the
      > > "error" of their ways. <BR>
      > > It is a hindrance upon their rights and freedoms,
      > > and it is a stain on <BR>
      > > the Bible that conservative Christians in government
      > > both in Canada and <BR>
      > > the United States use the Bible as a way of
      > > restricting those whom they <BR>
      > > abhor. Just because we may have legalized gay
      > > marriage does not mean <BR>
      > > that we heterosexuals have to go out and get married
      > > to a gay person. <BR>
      > > It doesn't hurt us to allow it, but it hurts them
      > > not to. God is a god <BR>
      > > of love, not one of ostricization, not one of
      > > exclusion, not one of <BR>
      > > hate, and using Him as a cover for these crimes
      > > against humanity is a <BR>
      > > shame on Him and on all of us. Thank you.<BR>
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      > Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 09:37:07 -0400
      > From: "Katie Francisco" <kayters@...>
      > Subject: RE: poll on gay marriage
      >
      > I think there's a lot of folks out there who are all "equal rights" and want
      > it exactly as heterosexuals have it. Then there are folks who just want the
      > benefits of marriage and don't care what it's called. I can sympathize with
      > them!
      >
      > BTW, the poll maker left the group - I guess she just couldn't take the
      > controversy - lol. Compared to some things that have been discussed on
      > here, this wasn't controversial.
      >
      > Katie :-)
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: thirdday@yahoogroups.com [mailto:thirdday@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
      > Of Robyn
      > Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2005 8:13 AM
      > To: thirdday@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: RE: [Third Day] poll on gay marriage
      >
      > Domestic partnership - I don't see why anyone would
      > have a problem with that. Marriage does have a special
      > meaning to me.
      >
      > It's such a shame that people in God's churches would
      > hate but you know it's true. God knows what's in
      > people's hearts.
      >
      > Thanks for the education. I'm not well read lately!
      > How do gays in general like the term?
      >
      > --- "kayters@..." <kayters@...> wrote:
      >
      > > Actually, I think that's more where I fall than into
      > > the "marriage" thing.
      > > Some states have something called "domestic
      > > partnership" which has the same
      > > benefits as marriage, without the name. I think
      > > "marriage" implies a
      > > religious thing to a lot of people, thus the
      > > controversy.
      > >
      > > There is a lot of pure hate out there disguised as
      > > religion. Let us never
      > > forget that Jesus picked people to hang out with
      > > that wouldn't be welcome
      > > in a lot of churches today. We love the sinner,
      > > hate the sin. Too many
      > > people hate both or make it seem that way. It's a
      > > turnoff to people who
      > > have real problems and are seeking answers if all
      > > they hear is how horrible
      > > they are. Their conscience tells them that
      > > something is wrong!
      > >
      > > Katie :)
      > >
      > > Original Message:
      > > -----------------
      > > From: Oglesby Robyn robyn.oglesby@...
      > > Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:23:11 -0500
      > > To: thirdday@yahoogroups.com
      > > Subject: RE: [Third Day] poll on gay marriage
      > >
      > >
      > > <html><body>
      > >
      > >
      > > <tt>
      > > I really haven't studied this issue so I don't know
      > > exactly what's at stake
      > > here. Can't they come up with a word other than
      > > "marriage" for gays? And
      > > then give them the same benefits such as insurance,
      > > taxes, etc? I think
      > > marriage is an "institution" for man/woman in the
      > > eyes of God. But I do
      > > agree with you on almost everything else.<BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > It's a simple thought but not simple to put into
      > > action and I'm sure that
      > > ins companies and the government do not want things
      > > to change for monetary
      > > reasons. Just seems like there could be a way to
      > > be fair to gays without
      > > changing the "rules" of marriage. <BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > -----Original Message-----<BR>
      > > From: thirdday@yahoogroups.com
      > > [mailto:thirdday@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
      > > Of Duncan Smith<BR>
      > > Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 3:39 PM<BR>
      > > To: thirdday@yahoogroups.com<BR>
      > > Subject: [Third Day] poll on gay marriage<BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > Miriam (aka myhopeizyou@ um, i forget the domain),
      > > you didn't give a <BR>
      > > reason for opposing gay marriage. Please go ahead
      > > and post your reason <BR>
      > > to the list when you get a chance. Now, I have voted
      > > in favour, and <BR>
      > > this is the reason. Restricting the right of
      > > homosexuals to marry will <BR>
      > > not "cure" them, it will not help them see the
      > > "error" of their ways. <BR>
      > > It is a hindrance upon their rights and freedoms,
      > > and it is a stain on <BR>
      > > the Bible that conservative Christians in government
      > > both in Canada and <BR>
      > > the United States use the Bible as a way of
      > > restricting those whom they <BR>
      > > abhor. Just because we may have legalized gay
      > > marriage does not mean <BR>
      > > that we heterosexuals have to go out and get married
      > > to a gay person. <BR>
      > > It doesn't hurt us to allow it, but it hurts them
      > > not to. God is a god <BR>
      > > of love, not one of ostricization, not one of
      > > exclusion, not one of <BR>
      > > hate, and using Him as a cover for these crimes
      > > against humanity is a <BR>
      > > shame on Him and on all of us. Thank you.<BR>
      > > <BR>
      > > Duncan Smith<BR>
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