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Re: not liking sample based music

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  • alexei monroe
    I don t think there s a T-Power mix on my copy of Anger/Grief , though it is certainly excellent. ... 27 11:29:15 1998 ... creation. ... downgrades ... of ...
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      I don't think there's a T-Power mix on my copy of "Anger/Grief", though
      it is certainly excellent.

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      >From: eric hill <ehill@...>
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      >> I think it's down to the imagination involved in the process of
      creation.
      >> The use of a generic drum loop is lazy and somewhat easy. This
      downgrades
      >> the music to me. However, someone like FSOL add something to the mix
      of
      >> their own which moves beyond the sample. In fact, they seem to have
      far
      >
      >i haven't heard the lenny kravitz song that was mentioned, but really,
      the
      >existence of samplers in the world necessitate a
      >redefinition of "musicianship." where dance and experimental artists
      may be
      >forgiven their repetition and "lazy" choices due
      >to the funcional aspects of the music, artists that use samples in the
      context
      >of manual instrumentation are usually
      >deprecated. there is a technical double-standard that is imposed
      regardless of
      >the final output.
      >
      >> agree that early hip hops use of found sound and beats was brilliant
      and it
      >> is this lack of invention which I feel so plagues the music now. Now
      >> samples are just used as a music library within the hip hop sound.
      Thank
      >
      >notes and instruments have always been a palette for the music-maker,
      the
      >sampler merely expands the range of selection. the
      >flipside is that this expansion also increases the supply of bad
      choices. i
      >assume the "lack of invention" is referring
      >somehow to a reliance and non-progression past the landmark techniques
      of the
      >early hiphoppers, and not their brilliance (as
      >the grammar suggests), but people (even lenny kravitz) take the easy
      way out,
      >especially with components that aren't crucial
      >to the goal of the track in question.
      >
      >> goodness for innovation in turntablism from DJ Faust, Mixmaster Mike
      and Cut
      >> Chemists who bring the sound apocalypse back to the music. I was so
      >
      >a bit apples and oranges, scratch mixers are folding instrumentalism
      back into a
      >sample-based music. the sense of a
      >"hands-off" approach in electronic music adds to its sterility in a lot
      of
      >cases, so scratch dj's are providing a bridge to
      >manual technique as well as something fun to watch. of course this is
      in
      >addition to inventing a completely new sound
      >aesthetic. this does nothing to strengthen or weaken the role of using
      "easy
      >samples," which these posts seem to be about. i
      >am leery of criticising music on the amount of effort it _seems_ it
      took to
      >make. some of the greatest artists went about
      >their work effortlessly, and some make it look simple and everyday
      while it took
      >them a week and a half to decide between this
      >loop or that loop regardless of how many times it had been used before.
      keeping
      >with lenny kravitz, wouldn't it be quite out
      >of character for him to use anything but a well-worn and familiar
      sample when
      >given the option?
      >
      >> Incidentally I saw Dynamix II on CD the other day, their "Just Give
      The DJ A
      >> Break" was the sound source for almost ever hip hop and house record
      in the
      >> late 80s. I also miss the crazed sample music of early Todd Terry
      now that
      >
      >an ironic nitpick: "give the dj a break" is actually a collage of
      samples, the
      >sound sources were the original records
      >which tended to be electro records (especially with dynamix II) that
      were quite
      >out-of-favor in the late 80's and beyond.
      >
      >> remember "Give It To Me" (double trouble mix), "Welcome To The Planet
      of
      >> Bass" by Maggatron, House Express or Time To Express. I also
      remember the
      >> first 12s from Meat Beat Manifesto which were furious explosions of
      beats
      >> and samples, never to be bettered. I have recently become aware of
      COIL and
      >> were amazed at how like FSOL they sound.
      >
      >yeah, it's never as good as it was, back in the old country. check that
      t-power
      >mix on sakamoto's anger/grief single for new
      >sample beathead stuff...
      >
      >eric
      >http://www.best.com/~ehill/ra/
      >
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