Re: Re: Random
> As for random play I try to respect the intention of the artist whoyeah, but sometimes the record company reshuffles the running order without
> presumably has a reason for programming the tracks where they are (more than
> just fast track, slow track, etc).
confering with the artist - VU's "Loaded" is a classic example.
anyway, as long as i have a cd-player, i have no qualms about programming
out the tracks i don't like; i couldn't care less if the artist's intention
was for me to listen and like it as a whole.
> Mind you, I still divide CDs into 'sides' like they're old vinyl LPs.?????? how?!? by pausing the cd halfway thru, for the half minute it would
take you to flip the record over ? ;)
- There is a John Cage double cd out there like this... while each disc has
maybe 15-20 songs or whatever, there are a total of 99 i think tracks on
each disc. The editor suggests using the random play to experience some of
Cage's ideas on chance. It's a very different, and in a way difficult
listen, as it will jump into the middle of a song for a few seconds, and
then throw the listener somewhere else completely different.
> I do not think it has been mentioned so far, so...
> Autechre have released a Minidisc consisting of 88 tracks, the longest of
> which must be one-minute long, specifically designed to be listened to with
> the random feature of the Minidisc (no gaps between tracks even in random
> And also : has anyone tried to listen to an album with the tracks in reverse
> order ? for example on (sorry, first example to come to my mind) Pink
> Floyd's The Wall ? ie, albums where there realy is an element of progression
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Peter Marsh [mailto:marshp@...]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 3:29 PM
>> To: email@example.com
>> Subject: [thewire] Re: Random
>> From: "Peter Marsh" <marshp@...>
>> Oeivind wrote :
>>> Alon Namdar wrote:
>>>>> he envisaged our grandchildren would express amazement
>> that our generation
>>>>> would listen to records or cds which are the same every
>> time... hmmm....
>>>> Which reminds me of a mate of mine whose allways freaked out when
>>>> he sees me listening to music with the cd player set to
>> random (shuffle).
>>>> he says its distrupting the concept of the music as an album.
>>> Ahh...at last: another one! I use my random button all the
>> time (some would
>>> say: "all the *freaking* time!"), except for when I listen
>> to a CD for the
>>> first time, or when I listen to fx. electroacoustic stuff
>> where one piece is
>>> divided into several tracks. Other than that I�m a regular
>> barbarian...I just
>>> can�t take the predictability of knowing "what comes
>> next"...I agree that this
>>> is a long way from Brian Eno�s vision of the ever-changing
>> CD, but at least
>>> it�s something...and it certainly adds some kind of strange
>> newness to some of
>>> my most cheerished CDs.
>>> Besides, isn�t the idea of the "concept" a definitive goner?
>> Yep, I'm another randomiser. To go back to Brian, I remember
>> an interview
>> where he likened CDs to magazines in that you could kind of
>> skip through
>> them randomly, which is why he put two mixes of the same
>> track consecutively
>> on 'Nerve net', never assuming that someone would listen to
>> the whole thing
>> in order. He likened the vinyl LP to a novel which had much more of a
>> narrative feel to it (ie it's more of a hassle to interrupt
>> the thing and
>> drop the stylus somewhere else.) the stock hausen & walkman
>> cd 'giving up'
>> has programming suggestions for different listening
>> experiences - one set is
>> 'feet up', one set is something i've forgotten, while random
>> is 'fucked up'.
>> as most of the tracks are divided into 2-5 second fragments, it's an
>> interesting exercise in confusing your cd player.
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