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  • sarah-michelle geller
    can anyone recommend: great clarinet-based free jazz? ecstatic (especially religious) music, like john coltrane s late works and nusrat fateh ali khan?
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      can anyone recommend:

      great clarinet-based free jazz?

      ecstatic (especially religious) music, like john coltrane's late works and
      nusrat fateh ali khan?

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    • stephen hastings-king
      anything by john carter. john carter/bobby bradford the quartet (i think--the record is called nightfire ) the five record suite: Roots and Folklore: Episodes
      Message 2 of 11 , Aug 23, 2004
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        anything by john carter.
        john carter/bobby bradford
        the quartet (i think--the record is called nightfire")
        the five record suite: Roots and Folklore: Episodes in the Development of American Folk Music
        (dauwhe, castles of ghana, ghosts, fields, shadows on a wall)

        excellent stuff, all of it.
        here's a link that gives a quickj rundown of carter, including some recordings i have not yet heard...

        http://www.svirchev.com/features/johncarter.html

        just an amazing player. it is a shame that this music is for the most part hard to find now.

        stephen
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        can anyone recommend:<BR>
        <BR>
        great clarinet-based free jazz?<BR>
        <BR>
        ecstatic (especially religious) music, like john coltrane's late works and <BR>
        nusrat fateh ali khan?<BR>
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      • damon
        ... - henry grimes trio w/perry robinson the william parker trio with perry robinson an old fmp lp carpathes with kowald/michel pilz and lovens oluyemi
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          On Aug 23, 2004, at 12:38 PM, sarah-michelle geller wrote:

          > can anyone recommend:
          >
          > great clarinet-based free jazz?
          >
          -
          henry grimes trio w/perry robinson
          the william parker trio with perry robinson
          an old fmp lp "carpathes' with kowald/michel pilz and lovens
          oluyemi tmomas/alan silva duo "transmissions"
          not quite ecstatic jazz but, i have recommend my good friends wolfgang
          fuchs, frank grakowski and jacob lindsay for great free clarinet
          playing.


          damon smith
          http://www.balancepointacoustics.com

          recently released:
          bpa 008 "the happymakers"
          wolfgang fuchs/jacob lindsay/damon smith/serge baghdassarians/boris
          baltschun

          bpa 005 "sense of hearing"
          carol genetti/damon smith + fred lonberg-holm

          bpa 007 "zero plus"
          phillip wachsmann/martin blume/aurora josephson/jacob lindsay/damon
          smith

          bpa 006 "voice imitator"
          frank gratkowski/jerome bryerton/damon smith


          bpa 004 "desert sweets"
          biggi vinkeloe/mark weaver/damon smith

          bpa 003 "three october meetings"
          wolfgang fuchs/jerome bryerton/damon smith

          also available:
          bpa 001 "mirrors-broken, but no dust"
          peter kowald/damon smith

          bpa 002 "the sale of tickets for money was abolished"
          tony bevan/damon smith/scott r.looney
        • damon
          i second the john carter recommendation, try horace tapscott s dark tree on hat. night fire is a fantastic quintet: james newton/bradford /cater frontline
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            i second the john carter recommendation, try horace tapscott's "dark
            tree" on hat.
            night fire is a fantastic quintet: james newton/bradford /cater
            frontline and roberto miranda on bass.

            damon

            On Aug 23, 2004, at 1:20 PM, stephen hastings-king wrote:

            >
            > anything by john carter.
            > john carter/bobby bradford
            > the quartet (i think--the record is called nightfire")
            > the five record suite: Roots and Folklore: Episodes in the Development
            > of American Folk Music
            > (dauwhe, castles of ghana, ghosts, fields, shadows on a wall)
            >
            > excellent stuff, all of it.
            > here's a link that gives a quickj rundown of carter, including some
            > recordings i have not yet heard...
            >
            > http://www.svirchev.com/features/johncarter.html
            >
            > just an amazing player. it is a shame that this music is for the most
            > part hard to find now.
            >
            > stephen
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            > can anyone recommend:<BR>
            > <BR>
            > great clarinet-based free jazz?<BR>
            > <BR>
            > ecstatic (especially religious) music, like john coltrane's late works
            > and <BR>
            > nusrat fateh ali khan?<BR>
            > <BR>
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          • Jim Flannery
            Monday, August 23, 2004, 12:38:43 PM, one spoke: smg great clarinet-based free jazz? Not really what you d call out , but Hamiet Bluiett s _The Clarinet
            Message 5 of 11 , Aug 23, 2004
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              Monday, August 23, 2004, 12:38:43 PM, one spoke:

              smg> great clarinet-based free jazz?

              Not really what you'd call "out", but Hamiet Bluiett's _The Clarinet
              Family_ on Black Saint is some kinda benchmark, with H.B, Dwight
              Andrews, Don Byron, Buddy Collette, John Purcell, Gene Ghee, J.D.
              Parran, and Kidd Jordan all on various clarinets, rhythm section =
              Fred Hopkins and Ronnie Burrage ... hey, maybe I'll put this on
              *right* *now* :-) ...

              Huh, who's Gene Ghee anyway? allmusic only shows him w/ two credits
              (this & one by Muhal Richard Abrams)

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              np: Hamiet Bluiett, _The Clarinet Family_
              nr: David R. Bunch, _Bunch!_
            • damon
              ... -this is a good one, also has a rare hopkins solo. Bröztmanns berlin dejungle clarinet project is worth tracking down as well. damon smith
              Message 6 of 11 , Aug 24, 2004
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                On Aug 23, 2004, at 11:52 PM, Jim Flannery wrote:

                > Monday, August 23, 2004, 12:38:43 PM, one spoke:
                >
                > smg> great clarinet-based free jazz?
                >
                > Not really what you'd call "out", but Hamiet Bluiett's _The Clarinet
                > Family_ on Black Saint is some kinda benchmark, with H.B, Dwight
                > Andrews, Don Byron, Buddy Collette, John Purcell, Gene Ghee, J.D.
                > Parran, and Kidd Jordan all on various clarinets, rhythm section =
                > Fred Hopkins and Ronnie Burrage ... hey, maybe I'll put this on
                > *right* *now* :-) ...
                >
                -this is a good one, also has a rare hopkins solo. Bröztmanns "berlin
                dejungle" clarinet project is worth tracking down as well.


                damon smith
                http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
                8pm $6-10 sat. oct. 9th 1510 8th st @chester w. oakland
                8pm sunday oct. 10th Kuumbwa Jazz Center 320-2 Cedar Street Santa Cruz,
                CA


                frank gratkowski..................reeds
                scott r. looney...................piano
                damon smith.................double bass
                kjell nordeson...............percussion

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                http://www.bayimproviser.com
              • Dmitry Ukhov
                John Carter was great, but don t forget thye father of them all- the one and only Eric Dolphy, not that free,but wghata musicianship! Most of the
                Message 7 of 11 , Aug 24, 2004
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                  John Carter was great, but don't forget thye father of them all- the one
                  and only Eric Dolphy, not that free,but wghata musicianship! Most of the
                  reed-players double on bassclarinet (with Braxton on contrabass), few of
                  them specialize on it.The exception being Loois Sclavis(of course, not fgree
                  jazz in the same sense as David Murray).Also Gerhard Ullman (on Leo Records)
                  and the fantastic Catalogue (Live in East Germany) and Live in Novosibirsk
                  and actually anything by Ganelin-Tarasov-Chekasin (the piece called
                  Catch-333 being the epitome of all the Soviet-era free music).
                  dmitry from moscow (not Paris)
                • michael jackson
                  J.D. Parran & Marty Ehrlich are worth checking out too. Wouldn t it be great to hear Lol Coxhill play a clarinet ? (?) ...
                  Message 8 of 11 , Aug 24, 2004
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                    J.D. Parran & Marty Ehrlich are worth checking out too. Wouldn't it be great
                    to hear Lol Coxhill play a clarinet ? (?)


                    >From: "Dmitry Ukhov" <dmituhov@...>
                    >Reply-To: thewire@yahoogroups.com
                    >To: <thewire@yahoogroups.com>
                    >Subject: Re: [thewire] free jazz etc
                    >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:06:35 +0400
                    >
                    >John Carter was great, but don't forget thye father of them all- the one
                    >and only Eric Dolphy, not that free,but wghata musicianship! Most of the
                    >reed-players double on bassclarinet (with Braxton on contrabass), few of
                    >them specialize on it.The exception being Loois Sclavis(of course, not
                    >fgree
                    >jazz in the same sense as David Murray).Also Gerhard Ullman (on Leo
                    >Records)
                    >and the fantastic Catalogue (Live in East Germany) and Live in Novosibirsk
                    >and actually anything by Ganelin-Tarasov-Chekasin (the piece called
                    >Catch-333 being the epitome of all the Soviet-era free music).
                    >dmitry from moscow (not Paris)
                    >

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                  • Daniel DiMaggio
                    For free clarinet I am surprised that no one has mentioned Jimmy Guiffre s more out records yet. Free Fall w/ Paul Bley and Barre Phillips sounds almost
                    Message 9 of 11 , Aug 25, 2004
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                      For free clarinet I am surprised that no one has mentioned Jimmy Guiffre's more out records yet. "Free Fall" w/ Paul Bley and Barre Phillips sounds almost like Evan Parker style improv, but it's from 1962. Not that 'ecstatic' I guess though.
                      Daniel

                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: michael jackson <emptyj4@...>
                      Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 5:20 pm
                      Subject: Re: [thewire] free jazz etc

                      > J.D. Parran & Marty Ehrlich are worth checking out too. Wouldn't
                      > it be great
                      > to hear Lol Coxhill play a clarinet ? (?)
                      >
                      >
                      > >From: "Dmitry Ukhov" <dmituhov@...>
                      > >Reply-To: thewire@yahoogroups.com
                      > >To: <thewire@yahoogroups.com>
                      > >Subject: Re: [thewire] free jazz etc
                      > >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2004 23:06:35 +0400
                      > >
                      > >John Carter was great, but don't forget thye father of them
                      > all- the one
                      > >and only Eric Dolphy, not that free,but wghata musicianship! Most
                      > of the
                      > >reed-players double on bassclarinet (with Braxton on contrabass),
                      > few of
                      > >them specialize on it.The exception being Loois Sclavis(of
                      > course, not
                      > >fgree
                      > >jazz in the same sense as David Murray).Also Gerhard Ullman (on
                      > Leo
                      > >Records)
                      > >and the fantastic Catalogue (Live in East Germany) and Live in
                      > Novosibirsk>and actually anything by Ganelin-Tarasov-Chekasin (the
                      > piece called
                      > >Catch-333 being the epitome of all the Soviet-era free music).
                      > >dmitry from moscow (not Paris)
                      > >
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                    • sarah-michelle geller
                      ... i am, in fact, looking for ANY approach. i checked out drums of death , though it wasn t really what i was looking for - i simply couldn t hear anything
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                        > Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2004 21:30:10 +0200
                        > From: Fred Inklaar <opslag@...>
                        >Subject: Re: free jazz etc
                        >
                        >You might also want to check out 'Les voix du Monde/Voices of the World'.
                        >Rituals from Paraguay, funeral laments from Romania, Curing ritual from
                        >Madagascar, etc. But I'm not sure if you are looking for this more ethnic
                        >approach.

                        i am, in fact, looking for ANY approach. i checked out 'drums of death',
                        though it wasn't really what i was looking for - i simply couldn't hear
                        anything particularly ecstatic about the performances. but that could have
                        been because i listened to 30 second samples on amazon.co.uk and perhaps
                        because i'm not a big fan of percussion.

                        'les voix de monde' sounds more like what i was looking for. i just have to
                        find samples of it.

                        thanks.

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                      • stuff1424@aol.com
                        I only caught a thread of this topic... ecstatic free jazz? Spiritual? It might be too obvious but surely The Seasons by Alan Silva & The Celestrial
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                          I only caught a thread of this topic... ecstatic free jazz? Spiritual? It
                          might be too obvious but surely The Seasons by Alan Silva & The Celestrial
                          Communication Orchestra. I only have part 6 on the Jazz Actuel boxset but it's the
                          most intense free jazz you'll most likely ever hear. Sounds just like Merzbow
                          actually. Also check the wonderful 'Living Space' by Coltrane and his wife on
                          The Wire 20yrs boxset, and of course Universal Consciousness, for a different
                          mood.

                          Rich.

                          In a message dated 30/08/04 22:47:22 GMT Daylight Time,
                          sarahmichellegeller@... writes:


                          > i am, in fact, looking for ANY approach. i checked out 'drums of death',
                          > though it wasn't really what i was looking for - i simply couldn't hear
                          > anything particularly ecstatic about the performances. but that could have
                          > been because i listened to 30 second samples on amazon.co.uk and perhaps
                          > because i'm not a big fan of percussion.
                          >
                          > 'les voix de monde' sounds more like what i was looking for. i just have to
                          > find samples of it.
                          >
                          > thanks.
                          >




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