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  • kolorform records
    for difficult listening, try: John Zorn - Locus Solus sarah-michelle geller wrote: i checked out all of the stuff mentioned
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      for difficult listening, try:
      John Zorn - Locus Solus



      sarah-michelle geller <sarahmichellegeller@...> wrote:
      i checked out all of the stuff mentioned here, and most of it was pretty
      standard grindcore - not very heavy or 'abrasive' at all.

      the last abrasive rock record i heard was 'legion' by deicide...actually it
      was more heavy than abrasive.

      so, no-one knows any tracks/groups in a similar vein to 'tourettes' by
      nirvana (from 'in utero')?

      to get off the 'heavy' music topic, what about abrasive music? by this i
      mean music that isn't simply noisy and loud and fast but difficult to listen
      to. stuff like 'metal machine music'.

      any recommendations as to the most abrasive records out there?

      > Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 04:38:16 +0000
      > From: "c a c t u s" <cactusd@...>
      >Subject: Re: heavy noisy HEA-VY music
      >
      >good recent abrasive rock: sightings, flying luttenbachers, burmese, total
      >shutdown, fat worm of error, leviathan, boris. >cactus
      >
      >My question is, when was the last time a rock record was actually
      >abrasive? "Upside Down"? Hijokaiden's version of "Silver Machine"?
      >
      >-rob
      >
      >
      > Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:32:24 -0400
      > From: "Wilson, Carl" <cwilson@...>
      >Subject: heavy noisy HEA-VY music
      >
      >Incapacitants?
      >Lightning Bolt?
      >Mortician?
      >Merzbow?
      >Melt-Banana?
      >Techno Menses?
      >Bathory?
      >Atari Teenage Riot?
      >
      >carl w.
      >http://www.zoilus.com

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    • Olivier Borzeix
      Borbetomagus... Olivier ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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        Borbetomagus...

        Olivier

        Le 04-08-10, � 14:39, kolorform records a �crit :

        > for difficult listening, try:
        > John Zorn - Locus Solus
        >
        >
        >
        > sarah-michelle geller <sarahmichellegeller@...> wrote:
        > i checked out all of the stuff mentioned here, and most of it was
        > pretty
        > standard grindcore - not very heavy or 'abrasive' at all.
        >
        > the last abrasive rock record i heard was 'legion' by
        > deicide...actually it
        > was more heavy than abrasive.
        >
        > so, no-one knows any tracks/groups in a similar vein to 'tourettes' by
        > nirvana (from 'in utero')?
        >
        > to get off the 'heavy' music topic, what about abrasive music? by
        > this i
        > mean music that isn't simply noisy and loud and fast but difficult to
        > listen
        > to. stuff like 'metal machine music'.
        >
        > any recommendations as to the most abrasive records out there?
        >
        > >��� Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 04:38:16 +0000
        > >��� From: "c a c t u s" <cactusd@...>
        > >Subject: Re: heavy noisy HEA-VY music
        > >
        > >good recent abrasive rock: sightings, flying luttenbachers, burmese,
        > total
        > >shutdown, fat worm of error, leviathan, boris. >cactus
        > >
        > >My question is, when was the last time a rock record was actually
        > >abrasive?� "Upside Down"?� Hijokaiden's version of "Silver Machine"?
        > >
        > >-rob
        > >
        > >
        > >��� Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:32:24 -0400
        > >��� From: "Wilson, Carl" <cwilson@...>
        > >Subject: heavy noisy HEA-VY music
        > >
        > >Incapacitants?
        > >Lightning Bolt?
        > >Mortician?
        > >Merzbow?
        > >Melt-Banana?
        > >Techno Menses?
        > >Bathory?
        > >Atari Teenage Riot?
        > >
        > >carl w.
        > >http://www.zoilus.com
        >
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      • John Eastridge
        WHOO I
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          WHOO I <3 BORBETOMAGUS!!!!

          >From: Olivier Borzeix <oborzeix@...>
          >Reply-To: thewire@yahoogroups.com
          >To: thewire@yahoogroups.com
          >Subject: Re: [thewire] abrasive music?
          >Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:32:38 -0400
          >
          >Borbetomagus...
          >
          >Olivier
          >
          >Le 04-08-10, � 14:39, kolorform records a �crit :
          >
          > > for difficult listening, try:
          > > John Zorn - Locus Solus
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > > sarah-michelle geller <sarahmichellegeller@...> wrote:
          > > i checked out all of the stuff mentioned here, and most of it was
          > > pretty
          > > standard grindcore - not very heavy or 'abrasive' at all.
          > >
          > > the last abrasive rock record i heard was 'legion' by
          > > deicide...actually it
          > > was more heavy than abrasive.
          > >
          > > so, no-one knows any tracks/groups in a similar vein to 'tourettes' by
          > > nirvana (from 'in utero')?
          > >
          > > to get off the 'heavy' music topic, what about abrasive music? by
          > > this i
          > > mean music that isn't simply noisy and loud and fast but difficult to
          > > listen
          > > to. stuff like 'metal machine music'.
          > >
          > > any recommendations as to the most abrasive records out there?
          > >
          > > >��� Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 04:38:16 +0000
          > > >��� From: "c a c t u s" <cactusd@...>
          > > >Subject: Re: heavy noisy HEA-VY music
          > > >
          > > >good recent abrasive rock: sightings, flying luttenbachers, burmese,
          > > total
          > > >shutdown, fat worm of error, leviathan, boris. >cactus
          > > >
          > > >My question is, when was the last time a rock record was actually
          > > >abrasive?� "Upside Down"?� Hijokaiden's version of "Silver Machine"?
          > > >
          > > >-rob
          > > >
          > > >
          > > >��� Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:32:24 -0400
          > > >��� From: "Wilson, Carl" <cwilson@...>
          > > >Subject: heavy noisy HEA-VY music
          > > >
          > > >Incapacitants?
          > > >Lightning Bolt?
          > > >Mortician?
          > > >Merzbow?
          > > >Melt-Banana?
          > > >Techno Menses?
          > > >Bathory?
          > > >Atari Teenage Riot?
          > > >
          > > >carl w.
          > > >http://www.zoilus.com
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        • michael jackson
          Abrasive ? try early NOCTURNAL EMISSIONS Tissue of Lies ; CONTROLLED BLEEDING Body Samples & Knees & Bones (are these available on CD ?) ; early
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            Abrasive ? try early NOCTURNAL EMISSIONS "Tissue of Lies"; CONTROLLED
            BLEEDING "Body Samples" & "Knees & Bones" (are these available on CD ?) ;
            early WHITEHOUSE...???


            >From: "John Eastridge" <johneastridge@...>
            >Reply-To: thewire@yahoogroups.com
            >To: thewire@yahoogroups.com
            >Subject: Re: [thewire] abrasive music?
            >Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 02:38:18 -0400
            >
            >WHOO I <3 BORBETOMAGUS!!!!
            >
            > >From: Olivier Borzeix <oborzeix@...>
            > >Reply-To: thewire@yahoogroups.com
            > >To: thewire@yahoogroups.com
            > >Subject: Re: [thewire] abrasive music?
            > >Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:32:38 -0400
            > >
            > >Borbetomagus...
            > >
            > >Olivier
            > >
            > >Le 04-08-10, � 14:39, kolorform records a �crit :
            > >
            > > > for difficult listening, try:
            > > > John Zorn - Locus Solus
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > sarah-michelle geller <sarahmichellegeller@...> wrote:
            > > > i checked out all of the stuff mentioned here, and most of it was
            > > > pretty
            > > > standard grindcore - not very heavy or 'abrasive' at all.
            > > >
            > > > the last abrasive rock record i heard was 'legion' by
            > > > deicide...actually it
            > > > was more heavy than abrasive.
            > > >
            > > > so, no-one knows any tracks/groups in a similar vein to 'tourettes'
            >by
            > > > nirvana (from 'in utero')?
            > > >
            > > > to get off the 'heavy' music topic, what about abrasive music? by
            > > > this i
            > > > mean music that isn't simply noisy and loud and fast but difficult to
            > > > listen
            > > > to. stuff like 'metal machine music'.
            > > >
            > > > any recommendations as to the most abrasive records out there?
            > > >
            > > > >��� Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 04:38:16 +0000
            > > > >��� From: "c a c t u s" <cactusd@...>
            > > > >Subject: Re: heavy noisy HEA-VY music
            > > > >
            > > > >good recent abrasive rock: sightings, flying luttenbachers, burmese,
            > > > total
            > > > >shutdown, fat worm of error, leviathan, boris. >cactus
            > > > >
            > > > >My question is, when was the last time a rock record was actually
            > > > >abrasive?� "Upside Down"?� Hijokaiden's version of "Silver Machine"?
            > > > >
            > > > >-rob
            > > > >
            > > > >
            > > > >��� Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:32:24 -0400
            > > > >��� From: "Wilson, Carl" <cwilson@...>
            > > > >Subject: heavy noisy HEA-VY music
            > > > >
            > > > >Incapacitants?
            > > > >Lightning Bolt?
            > > > >Mortician?
            > > > >Merzbow?
            > > > >Melt-Banana?
            > > > >Techno Menses?
            > > > >Bathory?
            > > > >Atari Teenage Riot?
            > > > >
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          • stuff1424@aol.com
            We could be here all day just talking about music that sounds abrasive . Have you heard the Jane Doe album by Converge? Obviously Velvets, Crass, early Sonic
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              We could be here all day just talking about music that sounds 'abrasive'.
              Have you heard the Jane Doe album by Converge? Obviously Velvets, Crass, early
              Sonic Youth, Dead C... Most definitely Wolf Eyes/ Burmese (San Francisco's
              grind/noise/sludge behemoth)/ early Black Dice/ Arab On Radar/ Sun O)))/ Lightning
              Bolt's self-titled debut which sounds like it was recorded with a dictaphone
              left by the drum kit. Of course Throbbing Gristle's self-banned First Annual
              Report and then Whitehouse's Erector. Ruins/ early Boredoms/ Merzbow/ Melt
              Banana. There's often something abrasive in all genres, anything from The
              Homosexuals to, I dunno, DJ Scud (!)...

              Rich.

              In a message dated 10/08/04 19:55:17 GMT Daylight Time,
              sarahmichellegeller@... writes:


              > to get off the 'heavy' music topic, what about abrasive music? by this i
              > mean music that isn't simply noisy and loud and fast but difficult to listen
              > to. stuff like 'metal machine music'.
              >
              > any recommendations as to the most abrasive records out there?



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            • stuff1424@aol.com
              In a message dated 10/08/04 19:55:17 GMT Daylight Time, ... I seem to remember XYU by Smashing Pumpkins was in a similar vein. What about Wild Man Fischer?
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                In a message dated 10/08/04 19:55:17 GMT Daylight Time,
                sarahmichellegeller@... writes:


                > so, no-one knows any tracks/groups in a similar vein to 'tourettes' by
                > nirvana (from 'in utero')?

                I seem to remember 'XYU' by Smashing Pumpkins was in a similar vein. What
                about Wild Man Fischer? The Pop Group? There's the wonderful gibberish Damo
                Suzuki came up with in Can. Early Boredoms and of course Mike Patton. The singer in
                The Cardiacs always sounded crazy. John Lydon on 'Albatross'. I'm missing
                something really obvious... what are the best song's ever when the vocalist
                genuinely goes berserk?

                Rich.



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              • kolorform records
                word. borbetomagus. sweet sweet noise. John Eastridge wrote: WHOO I
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                  word.
                  borbetomagus.
                  sweet sweet noise.

                  John Eastridge <johneastridge@...> wrote:
                  WHOO I <3 BORBETOMAGUS!!!!

                  >From: Olivier Borzeix
                  >Reply-To: thewire@yahoogroups.com
                  >To: thewire@yahoogroups.com
                  >Subject: Re: [thewire] abrasive music?
                  >Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 17:32:38 -0400
                  >
                  >Borbetomagus...
                  >
                  >Olivier
                  >
                  >Le 04-08-10, � 14:39, kolorform records a �crit :
                  >
                  > > for difficult listening, try:
                  > > John Zorn - Locus Solus
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > sarah-michelle geller wrote:
                  > > i checked out all of the stuff mentioned here, and most of it was
                  > > pretty
                  > > standard grindcore - not very heavy or 'abrasive' at all.
                  > >
                  > > the last abrasive rock record i heard was 'legion' by
                  > > deicide...actually it
                  > > was more heavy than abrasive.
                  > >
                  > > so, no-one knows any tracks/groups in a similar vein to 'tourettes' by
                  > > nirvana (from 'in utero')?
                  > >
                  > > to get off the 'heavy' music topic, what about abrasive music? by
                  > > this i
                  > > mean music that isn't simply noisy and loud and fast but difficult to
                  > > listen
                  > > to. stuff like 'metal machine music'.
                  > >
                  > > any recommendations as to the most abrasive records out there?
                  > >
                  > > > Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 04:38:16 +0000
                  > > > From: "c a c t u s"
                  > > >Subject: Re: heavy noisy HEA-VY music
                  > > >
                  > > >good recent abrasive rock: sightings, flying luttenbachers, burmese,
                  > > total
                  > > >shutdown, fat worm of error, leviathan, boris. >cactus
                  > > >
                  > > >My question is, when was the last time a rock record was actually
                  > > >abrasive? "Upside Down"? Hijokaiden's version of "Silver Machine"?
                  > > >
                  > > >-rob
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:32:24 -0400
                  > > > From: "Wilson, Carl"
                  > > >Subject: heavy noisy HEA-VY music
                  > > >
                  > > >Incapacitants?
                  > > >Lightning Bolt?
                  > > >Mortician?
                  > > >Merzbow?
                  > > >Melt-Banana?
                  > > >Techno Menses?
                  > > >Bathory?
                  > > >Atari Teenage Riot?
                  > > >
                  > > >carl w.
                  > > >http://www.zoilus.com
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                • keefycub
                  Hmmm it looks like you ll have to make your ultimate abrasion yourself. None of these particularly strike me as all *that* abrasive, but then I don t listen
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                    Hmmm it looks like you'll have to make your ultimate abrasion
                    yourself. None of these particularly strike me as all *that*
                    abrasive, but then I don't listen to it smashed and at full volume --
                    instead I listen to it real low, almost inaudible and I find it
                    serene.

                    There's stuff from Earache that warns that it might destroy your
                    equipment (the first "Release Your Mind" comes to mind -- if it's
                    still in print. The tracks in question are Masonna and Merzbow
                    tracks.) Vinyl Communications (if they're still around) specialise
                    in this sort of thing, too.

                    A friend's party almost got cut short when a Spacewurm record (vinyl,
                    yes, vinyl) being DJ'd at a volume too heavy for the amplier caused
                    the amplifier to fry. That was a moment with the blinding magnesium
                    flash and the little cloud of smoke.

                    The most in your face smash noise piece I've ever heard is "C.U.M."
                    by Controlled Bleeding off "The Drowning." I had a spectrum analyser
                    on my stereo when I first got this one -- it pegged all frequencies
                    with the EQ set below flat, so that one wins. It's the second track
                    on the CD and it's almost as though they will destroy your stereo
                    before you get to the other more serene soundscapes later in the
                    disc.

                    Once you get into Merzbow, Masonna, Controlled Bleeding, and such ..
                    that sort of territory, you're dealing with music made by
                    intentionally pushing the equipment to its limit, but at the same
                    time it's going to be scaled back by the time it's released to just
                    under the limits of the technology because no one who is putting this
                    stuff out will want to be liable for damage to your stereo system.

                    And no I don't know similar stuff to Nirvana because well, I first
                    heard Nirvana live about 1989 before they hit (# of people in the
                    audience: 12), and I thought they were sad and depressed then. They
                    were alright but nothing I would actively search out. Then I heard
                    that Hit Album once or twice and it became a case of, no I will *not*
                    listen to this so that when I do hear it as a flashback 20 years
                    after the fact on some bullshit VH1 TV show it will be as fresh and
                    exciting to me as some of those old flower power songs from the 60's
                    were around the time it came out. In other words, the bigger the
                    group, the more I'm *not* going to listen to them so that I won't be
                    sick of it when it becomes nostalgia, as Nirvana have already. I'll
                    open up in about 15 more years to it.

                    K.


                    --- In thewire@yahoogroups.com, "sarah-michelle geller"
                    <sarahmichellegeller@h...> wrote:
                    > i checked out all of the stuff mentioned here, and most of it was
                    pretty
                    > standard grindcore - not very heavy or 'abrasive' at all.
                    >
                    > the last abrasive rock record i heard was 'legion' by
                    deicide...actually it
                    > was more heavy than abrasive.
                    >
                    > so, no-one knows any tracks/groups in a similar vein to 'tourettes'
                    by
                    > nirvana (from 'in utero')?
                  • François Couture
                    My personal most abrasive recommendation would be Government Alpha s Sporadic Spectra CD (Ground Fault, www.groundfault.net, very nicely priced). Thunderously
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                      My personal most abrasive recommendation would be Government Alpha's
                      Sporadic Spectra CD (Ground Fault, www.groundfault.net, very nicely priced).
                      Thunderously abrasive noise, but still the feeling of a band playing,
                      without the pulse thing a band like Boris will cling to.

                      Best,

                      --
                      François Couture
                      Weedon, Québec

                      "A proof is a proof, and when it's a proof, you know it's proven." -
                      ex-Prime Minister of Canada Jean Chrétien on the US proof on Hussein's
                      threat to the world.


                      > Message: 1
                      > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 14:24:03 -0000
                      > From: "keefycub" <k5rzr@...>
                      > Subject: Re: abrasive music?
                      >
                      > Hmmm it looks like you'll have to make your ultimate abrasion
                      > yourself. None of these particularly strike me as all *that*
                      > abrasive, but then I don't listen to it smashed and at full volume --
                      > instead I listen to it real low, almost inaudible and I find it
                      > serene.
                      >
                      > There's stuff from Earache that warns that it might destroy your
                      > equipment (the first "Release Your Mind" comes to mind -- if it's
                      > still in print. The tracks in question are Masonna and Merzbow
                      > tracks.) Vinyl Communications (if they're still around) specialise
                      > in this sort of thing, too.
                      >
                      > A friend's party almost got cut short when a Spacewurm record (vinyl,
                      > yes, vinyl) being DJ'd at a volume too heavy for the amplier caused
                      > the amplifier to fry. That was a moment with the blinding magnesium
                      > flash and the little cloud of smoke.
                      >
                      > The most in your face smash noise piece I've ever heard is "C.U.M."
                      > by Controlled Bleeding off "The Drowning." I had a spectrum analyser
                      > on my stereo when I first got this one -- it pegged all frequencies
                      > with the EQ set below flat, so that one wins. It's the second track
                      > on the CD and it's almost as though they will destroy your stereo
                      > before you get to the other more serene soundscapes later in the
                      > disc.
                      >

                      >
                    • stuff1424@aol.com
                      I recommend the Magnetic Mountain album by Aufgehoben No Process Vs Gary Smith on Junior Meat Recordings. Some extremely loud distorted noise-rock. Huge.
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                        I recommend the 'Magnetic Mountain album by Aufgehoben No Process Vs Gary
                        Smith on Junior Meat Recordings. Some extremely loud distorted noise-rock. Huge.

                        Rich.



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                      • stuff1424@aol.com
                        Forgot to add, if you want sound samples of this album do a search for it at www.aquariusrecords.org. This is one of the most abrasive rock records I ve ever
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                          Forgot to add, if you want sound samples of this album do a search for it at
                          www.aquariusrecords.org. This is one of the most 'abrasive' rock records I've
                          ever heard- if anyone knows of anything that tops this I'd sure like to know.

                          Rich.

                          In a message dated 14/08/04 14:29:35 GMT Daylight Time, stuff1424@...
                          writes:


                          > I recommend the 'Magnetic Mountain album by Aufgehoben No Process Vs Gary
                          > Smith on Junior Meat Recordings. Some extremely loud distorted noise-rock.
                          > Huge.
                          >
                          > Rich.




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