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  • Charlie M
    This could be floodgates time... The crucial unreissued masterpiece(s) for me are the entire output of the awesome Homosexuals, an extraordinary outfit from
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      This could be "floodgates" time...

      The crucial unreissued masterpiece(s) for me are the entire output of the
      awesome Homosexuals, an extraordinary outfit from the late '70s/early '80s.

      The badly compiled Recommended LP is still awesome in itself - particularly
      Side 1, however I gather it's unlikely to be reissued due to most of the
      band resenting the 1st issue of it against their wishes.

      Lamont Young's "Black Album" is another one awaiting sensible re-issue.
      Although technically still in print, the remaining (very old!) new copies
      that are still available from the 2800 (?) pressing are priced at an
      extraordinary $100+ from Young's MELA website! I'd like to hear that one
      justified!

      What else...
      "Streets" - yes, a classic early punk comp and mostly great. Edwin Pouncey
      does indeed appear as vocalist with the Art Attacks
      Another stupendous punk comp is the mighty "Raw Deal" on Raw Records also
      from '77. The Killjoys are at their stun/dunt best here and the Users and
      Sick Things are equally fantastic.

      Other stuff whose current availability I'm unsure of (some I have; some
      languish on my wants list......) includes ......
      Big Flame,
      early Cardiacs,
      1st 2 Egg Lps,
      Steve Moore "A Quiet Gathering",
      Vitamin B12 2nd LP (super limited 96 (?) edition run that I missed!),
      Birdyak - "Abberration" LP (Klinker Zoundz),
      Hampton Grease Band - LP,
      Sophie and Peter Johnston - Peel Session ,
      Nazca - "Estacion De Sombra" LP,
      Pointy Birds (although their LP was never released in the 1st place - it
      remains in the vaults...),
      Charles Tyler Quartet - "Definite Vol 1" LP (Storyville),
      Davey Williams - various Transmuseq releases,
      any number of stupidly obscure early punk, DIY and hardcore
      records......etc. etc.

      Charlie Mason


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Lang Thompson" <wlt4@...>
      To: <thewire@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 3:28 AM
      Subject: [thewire] other great lost albums


      > So what are some other nominations? Here are mine:
      >
      > Jody Harris & Robert Quine "Escape" (Lust/Unlust)
      >
      > RRRadio - Ron from RRRecords used to do a radio show of live on-air
      > collages from material submitted to him (even from me) then release tapes
      > and sometimes LPs. Always worth hearing.
      >
      > Henry Kaiser "It's a Wonderful Life" (Metalanguage): One of my favorites
      > from him but hardly ever mentioned anymore.
      >
      > home tapers - A brief flurry of activity in the 80s related to mail art,
      > the industrial movement and whatever that mostly bypassed stores and
      > standard commercial channels. Tape albums might be done in runs of a few
      > hundred but were more often duplicated individually, sometimes even
      > one-of-a-kind. I have fond memories of material from Zan Hoffman, the
      > Psyclones, Minoy, TIV Song, Haters and others.
      >
      > Nicolas Collins "Devil's Music": An early use of sampler to grab radio
      > signals with real-time editing. The repetition of bits gave this a bit of
      > a minimalist feel and the unpredictability of the radio source provided
      the
      > variety. (During an interview, Collins told me that he thought the use of
      > local radio softened the potential arrogant attitude of "Hi, I'm from New
      > York and this is my music.") There's a nice LP and a more raw cassette.
      >
      > "Streets" - A great compilation of 77/78 British punk that seems to have
      > mostly disappeared.
      >
      > hardcore compilations - Comps may have been the natural home for hardcore
      > recordings since so many bands had a great song or two but frequently not
      > much more. Worth salvaging: Let Them Eat Jellybeans, Cleanse the
      > Bacteria, World Class Punk, All Quiet on the Western Front, releases from
      > Borderless Countries Tapes and tons of others.
      >
      > Human Switchboard "Who's Landing in My Hanger?"
      >
      > "Wanna Buy a Bridge?" - Great great Rough Trade collection unlikely to be
      > reissued due to rights problems.
      >
      > "Ohrenschrauben" - I remember this being the best of the
      > industrial/experimental comps but wonder what I'd think of it
      > today. Apparently the CD leaves off a track or two.
      >
      >
      >
      > LT
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
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    • Charlie M
      ... Are any Metalanguage titles available?? These are also long term inmates on my wants list.... Jim French - If Looks Could Kill LP ( Metalanguage) Henry
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        > Henry Kaiser "It's a Wonderful Life" (Metalanguage): One of my favorites
        > from him but hardly ever mentioned anymore.

        Are any Metalanguage titles available??

        These are also long term inmates on my wants list....
        Jim French - "If Looks Could Kill" LP ( Metalanguage)
        Henry Kaiser - "Marrying For Money", "It's A Wonderful Life", "Social Set",
        "Improvised" (w/ John Oswald) LPs, "Aloha" DLP (Metalanguage)


        Charlie
      • kraig grady
        Jim French BTW is still on the war path on this one, i wouldn t suggest anyone to reissue it w/o his approval. his sword is sharpened and i mean a real sharpen
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          Jim French BTW is still on the war path on this one, i wouldn't suggest
          anyone to reissue it w/o his approval.
          his sword is sharpened and i mean a real sharpen sword

          Charlie M wrote:

          > > Henry Kaiser "It's a Wonderful Life" (Metalanguage): One of my favorites
          > > from him but hardly ever mentioned anymore.
          >
          > Are any Metalanguage titles available??
          >
          > These are also long term inmates on my wants list....
          > Jim French - "If Looks Could Kill" LP ( Metalanguage)
          > Henry Kaiser - "Marrying For Money", "It's A Wonderful Life", "Social Set",
          > "Improvised" (w/ John Oswald) LPs, "Aloha" DLP (Metalanguage)
          >
          > Charlie
          >
          >
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        • derdoppledoppleganger
          many of these HAVE been reissued and are still available... music improv company is on cd on universal japan, no new york is on cd and vinyl in japan, the
          Message 4 of 17 , Oct 2, 2003
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            many of these HAVE been reissued and are still available...
            music improv company is on cd on universal japan, no new york is on cd and vinyl
            in japan, the kaiser /oswald is on cd plus unreleased stuff on incus, the big flame
            catalog is on cd on drag city, all of it's a wonderful life is on cd, over a couple of
            releases (lemon fish tweezer and others). universal japan also did the bailey/
            holland, the milford graves "meditation among us", etc... good stuff, done well in
            mini jackets. you can still find m.i.c. for ten bucks, i see it fairly often. there were
            quite a few on the wire list that are actually available still....

            putney
          • gradyfinklemyer
            The first two Egg albums have just been reissued. They were previously available as high-priced Japanese imports. ... of the ... late 70s/early 80s. ...
            Message 5 of 17 , Oct 2, 2003
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              The first two Egg albums have just been reissued. They were
              previously available as high-priced Japanese imports.

              --- In thewire@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie M" <charlie.m@u...> wrote:
              > This could be "floodgates" time...
              >
              > The crucial unreissued masterpiece(s) for me are the entire output
              of the
              > awesome Homosexuals, an extraordinary outfit from the
              late '70s/early '80s.
              >
              > The badly compiled Recommended LP is still awesome in itself -
              particularly
              > Side 1, however I gather it's unlikely to be reissued due to most
              of the
              > band resenting the 1st issue of it against their wishes.
              >
              > Lamont Young's "Black Album" is another one awaiting sensible re-
              issue.
              > Although technically still in print, the remaining (very old!) new
              copies
              > that are still available from the 2800 (?) pressing are priced at an
              > extraordinary $100+ from Young's MELA website! I'd like to hear
              that one
              > justified!
              >
              > What else...
              > "Streets" - yes, a classic early punk comp and mostly great. Edwin
              Pouncey
              > does indeed appear as vocalist with the Art Attacks
              > Another stupendous punk comp is the mighty "Raw Deal" on Raw
              Records also
              > from '77. The Killjoys are at their stun/dunt best here and the
              Users and
              > Sick Things are equally fantastic.
              >
              > Other stuff whose current availability I'm unsure of (some I have;
              some
              > languish on my wants list......) includes ......
              > Big Flame,
              > early Cardiacs,
              > 1st 2 Egg Lps,
              > Steve Moore "A Quiet Gathering",
              > Vitamin B12 2nd LP (super limited 96 (?) edition run that I
              missed!),
              > Birdyak - "Abberration" LP (Klinker Zoundz),
              > Hampton Grease Band - LP,
              > Sophie and Peter Johnston - Peel Session ,
              > Nazca - "Estacion De Sombra" LP,
              > Pointy Birds (although their LP was never released in the 1st
              place - it
              > remains in the vaults...),
              > Charles Tyler Quartet - "Definite Vol 1" LP (Storyville),
              > Davey Williams - various Transmuseq releases,
              > any number of stupidly obscure early punk, DIY and hardcore
              > records......etc. etc.
              >
              > Charlie Mason
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "Lang Thompson" <wlt4@m...>
              > To: <thewire@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2003 3:28 AM
              > Subject: [thewire] other great lost albums
              >
              >
              > > So what are some other nominations? Here are mine:
              > >
              > > Jody Harris & Robert Quine "Escape" (Lust/Unlust)
              > >
              > > RRRadio - Ron from RRRecords used to do a radio show of live on-
              air
              > > collages from material submitted to him (even from me) then
              release tapes
              > > and sometimes LPs. Always worth hearing.
              > >
              > > Henry Kaiser "It's a Wonderful Life" (Metalanguage): One of my
              favorites
              > > from him but hardly ever mentioned anymore.
              > >
              > > home tapers - A brief flurry of activity in the 80s related to
              mail art,
              > > the industrial movement and whatever that mostly bypassed stores
              and
              > > standard commercial channels. Tape albums might be done in runs
              of a few
              > > hundred but were more often duplicated individually, sometimes
              even
              > > one-of-a-kind. I have fond memories of material from Zan
              Hoffman, the
              > > Psyclones, Minoy, TIV Song, Haters and others.
              > >
              > > Nicolas Collins "Devil's Music": An early use of sampler to grab
              radio
              > > signals with real-time editing. The repetition of bits gave this
              a bit of
              > > a minimalist feel and the unpredictability of the radio source
              provided
              > the
              > > variety. (During an interview, Collins told me that he thought
              the use of
              > > local radio softened the potential arrogant attitude of "Hi, I'm
              from New
              > > York and this is my music.") There's a nice LP and a more raw
              cassette.
              > >
              > > "Streets" - A great compilation of 77/78 British punk that seems
              to have
              > > mostly disappeared.
              > >
              > > hardcore compilations - Comps may have been the natural home for
              hardcore
              > > recordings since so many bands had a great song or two but
              frequently not
              > > much more. Worth salvaging: Let Them Eat Jellybeans, Cleanse the
              > > Bacteria, World Class Punk, All Quiet on the Western Front,
              releases from
              > > Borderless Countries Tapes and tons of others.
              > >
              > > Human Switchboard "Who's Landing in My Hanger?"
              > >
              > > "Wanna Buy a Bridge?" - Great great Rough Trade collection
              unlikely to be
              > > reissued due to rights problems.
              > >
              > > "Ohrenschrauben" - I remember this being the best of the
              > > industrial/experimental comps but wonder what I'd think of it
              > > today. Apparently the CD leaves off a track or two.
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > LT
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > _______________________________________________
              > > the wire mailing list
              > > post: thewire@yahoogroups.com
              > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/thewire/
              > >
              > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
              http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
              > >
              > >
              > >
            • churchofanthrax
              ... issue. ... copies ... an ... that one ... While it s true that MELA s prices are ridiculously high, I remember seeing that one going for $100-150 on eBay a
              Message 6 of 17 , Oct 2, 2003
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                --- In thewire@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie M" <charlie.m@u...> wrote:

                > Lamont Young's "Black Album" is another one awaiting sensible re-
                issue.
                > Although technically still in print, the remaining (very old!) new
                copies
                > that are still available from the 2800 (?) pressing are priced at
                an
                > extraordinary $100+ from Young's MELA website! I'd like to hear
                that one
                > justified!

                While it's true that MELA's prices are ridiculously high, I remember
                seeing that one going for $100-150 on eBay a while back
                consistently. And at least you know you're getting an unplayed copy
                that's been sitting in storage for 35 years rather than one that
                could have been on someone's turntable that whole time (for the same
                money).

                But it's still a tad presumptuous to be charging eBay money
                for "new" copies.

                > Hampton Grease Band - LP,

                There was a CD re of it a while back, I think it may be OOP now. But
                it shows up on eBay a lot for cheap and the LP isn't as hard to get
                as I thought it would be (when I decided to grab one, I paid $20 for
                a nice copy, and I keep seeing copies pop up in that price range
                pretty regularly).


                Cheers,
                -Piotr
              • PhilT
                ... 80s. ... particularly ... last i heard, the guy at acute records (who released the theoretical girls comp last/this year) is trying to get a proper comp
                Message 7 of 17 , Oct 3, 2003
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                  > The crucial unreissued masterpiece(s) for me are the entire output of the
                  > awesome Homosexuals, an extraordinary outfit from the late '70s/early
                  '80s.
                  > The badly compiled Recommended LP is still awesome in itself -
                  particularly
                  > Side 1, however I gather it's unlikely to be reissued due to most of the
                  > band resenting the 1st issue of it against their wishes.

                  last i heard, the guy at acute records (who released the theoretical girls
                  comp last/this year) is trying to get a proper comp underway and is speaking
                  to the main players with some success...

                  http://www.geocities.com/danselzer/introduction.html

                  philT
                • Burton Thomas
                  There are four Metal language LPs listed as available at: http://www.cadencebuilding.com/cadence/musicsaleshp.html including the Kaiser item. ... From:
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                    There are four Metal language LPs listed as available at:

                    http://www.cadencebuilding.com/cadence/musicsaleshp.html

                    including the Kaiser item.


                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: "Charlie M" <charlie.m@...>
                    Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:11:58 +0100
                    To: <thewire@yahoogroups.com>
                    Subject: Re: [thewire] other great lost albums

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                    <BR>
                    > Henry Kaiser "It's a Wonderful Life" (Metalanguage): One of my favorites<BR>
                    > from him but hardly ever mentioned anymore.<BR>
                    <BR>
                    Are any Metalanguage titles available??<BR>
                    <BR>
                    These are also long term inmates on my wants list....<BR>
                    Jim French - "If Looks Could Kill" LP ( Metalanguage)<BR>
                    Henry Kaiser - "Marrying For Money", "It's A Wonderful Life", "Social Set",<BR>
                    "Improvised" (w/ John Oswald) LPs, "Aloha" DLP (Metalanguage)<BR>
                    <BR>
                    <BR>
                    Charlie<BR>
                    <BR>
                    <BR>
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                  • Burton Thomas
                    There are four Metalanguage LPs listed as available at: http://www.cadencebuilding.com/cadence/musicsaleshp.html including the Kaiser item. ... From: Charlie
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                      There are four Metalanguage LPs listed as available at:

                      http://www.cadencebuilding.com/cadence/musicsaleshp.html

                      including the Kaiser item.


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "Charlie M" <charlie.m@...>
                      Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2003 21:11:58 +0100
                      To: <thewire@yahoogroups.com>
                      Subject: Re: [thewire] other great lost albums

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                      <tt>
                      <BR>
                      > Henry Kaiser "It's a Wonderful Life" (Metalanguage): One of my favorites<BR>
                      > from him but hardly ever mentioned anymore.<BR>
                      <BR>
                      Are any Metalanguage titles available??<BR>
                      <BR>
                      These are also long term inmates on my wants list....<BR>
                      Jim French - "If Looks Could Kill" LP ( Metalanguage)<BR>
                      Henry Kaiser - "Marrying For Money", "It's A Wonderful Life", "Social Set",<BR>
                      "Improvised" (w/ John Oswald) LPs, "Aloha" DLP (Metalanguage)<BR>
                      <BR>
                      <BR>
                      Charlie<BR>
                      <BR>
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                    • John Farrar
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                      • Perfect Sound Forever
                        ... Yep, Dan Selzer (who deserves a Noble or Pulitzer or some such equivalent) has been trying to work on that for a while but has sadly gotten nothing but
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                          > Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 18:55:07 +1000
                          > From: PhilT <nns@...>
                          >Subject: Re: other great lost albums
                          >
                          > > The crucial unreissued masterpiece(s) for me are the entire output of the
                          > > awesome Homosexuals, an extraordinary outfit from the late '70s/early
                          >'80s.
                          > > The badly compiled Recommended LP is still awesome in itself -
                          >particularly
                          > > Side 1, however I gather it's unlikely to be reissued due to most of the
                          > > band resenting the 1st issue of it against their wishes.
                          >
                          >last i heard, the guy at acute records (who released the theoretical girls
                          >comp last/this year) is trying to get a proper comp underway and is speaking
                          >to the main players with some success...
                          >
                          >http://www.geocities.com/danselzer/introduction.html

                          Yep, Dan Selzer (who deserves a Noble or Pulitzer or some such equivalent)
                          has been trying to work on that for a while but has sadly gotten nothing
                          but resistance from the band itself. I've heard rumors that might be
                          changing though so we'll see...

                          Best,
                          Jason
                        • Stevo
                          ... This was at least released as a 2cd thingy cos I ve got it. Music to EAt? Had a very nasty review in Forcedexposure which would put it around 1993. Its
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                            --- In thewire@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie M" <charlie.m@u...> wrote:

                            > Hampton Grease Band - LP,

                            This was at least released as a 2cd thingy cos I've got it.
                            Music to EAt?
                            Had a very nasty review in Forcedexposure which would put it around
                            1993.
                            Its pretty cool if you like long Zappaesque guitar stuff with a
                            looper making up lyrics over it.
                            The negative review came as a reaction to the press release which was
                            claiming it to be massively influential on a lot of things it didn't
                            really seem to be./

                            Amazon has it listed here.
                            http://makeashorterlink.com/?J26623816

                            Stevo
                            Np Jega Jazzist Doppelganger
                          • michael j
                            Aloha has been reissued with other material...I believe Marrying For Money was reissued a while back as REmarrying for money Eugene Chadbourne s
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                              "Aloha" has been reissued with other material...I believe "Marrying
                              For Money" was reissued a while back as "REmarrying for money"
                              Eugene Chadbourne's Parachute label put out some good improv records
                              in the early 80's...I have a great Transmuseq disc from 1980
                              called "Direct Waves"...what about the Anthony Braxton LPs on
                              Arista ? I haven't seen many of those and they are essential in my
                              opinion...Sackville Records out of Toronto had some great titles by
                              Braxton, Mitchell and others including solo albums (w/overdubs) by
                              George Lewis & JUlius Hemphill...also a couple of oddities that
                              attempt to merge classical avant-garde with improv : "Music Of Our
                              Time" Bernstein conducting the NY Phil :Feldman,Ligeti, Larry Austin
                              (with Barre Phillips as a soloist) and (teehee) improvisations by
                              the orchestra-the liner notes admit they had predetermined cues from
                              Lennie. This was on Columbia as was Lukas Foss' "Time Cycle" again
                              w/ Bernstein conducting; each movement of the piece has interludes
                              'improvised' by Foss' Improvisation Chamber Ensemble (I.C.E.?)-again
                              it's not FREE improvisation and remains sounding quite serial
                              --- In thewire@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie M" <charlie.m@u...> wrote:
                              >
                              > > Henry Kaiser "It's a Wonderful Life" (Metalanguage): One of my
                              favorites
                              > > from him but hardly ever mentioned anymore.
                              >
                              > Are any Metalanguage titles available??
                              >
                              > These are also long term inmates on my wants list....
                              > Jim French - "If Looks Could Kill" LP ( Metalanguage)
                              > Henry Kaiser - "Marrying For Money", "It's A Wonderful
                              Life", "Social Set",
                              > "Improvised" (w/ John Oswald) LPs, "Aloha" DLP (Metalanguage)
                              >
                              >
                              > Charlie
                            • Stevo
                              ... what about the Anthony Braxton LPs on ... REminds me, I was looking up the Town Hall 72 cd on Google after having lost my copy several years back. What I
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                                --- In thewire@yahoogroups.com, "michael j" <emptyj4@h...> wrote:
                                what about the Anthony Braxton LPs on
                                > Arista ? I haven't seen many of those and they are essential in my
                                > opinion...Sackville Records out of Toronto had some great titles by
                                > Braxton,
                                >
                                REminds me, I was looking up the Town Hall'72 cd on Google after
                                having lost my copy several years back.
                                What I found didn't seem to have the same tracklisting as the copy
                                of the cd I used to have, which had A Jerome Kern song on and came
                                with a free mini poster from the gig.
                                Was there a cd from the early 90s that added material that wasn't on
                                the original lp or something?
                                Stevo
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