Re: [thewire] laptop composition questions
- your point on fennesz is a interesting one. I use a
mac for stuff and to me his live work does sound like
he's running a couple of sound files through some plug
ins and fiddling with some of the parameters. In
essence i guess this is no different to soundclash
dj's running sevens through phasers and delays, though
technically it may not be 'computer music'. Either way
i'm stuck with how beautiful the stuff sounds.
mmmmm...the emperors' new clothes?
i'm pretty sure oval uses a mac tho.
--- "... ..." <flashram000@...> wrote:
i think oval uses a pc. i'm not sure about that
though. but audiomulch, in
my opinion, is one of the better programs available
for pc that is not a
sequencer/tracker program that can be used for
algorthmic compositions and
for playing more abstracted music. audiomulch's
strength is in its
compatability with free VST plugins. a lot of "big"
computer musicians use
these. but herein lies an interesting split within
music "scene". fennesz has been quoted as saying
something to the affect
of, "people want to hear yr music. not yr [computer]
patch." but here's
the thing: when innovators of experimental music began
computers in making music the programming/process
played a very very
integral part in the overall composition. my problem
specifically - but a general gripe with a lot of
"laptop music" - is that,
as a musician who uses a computer, his music doesn't
sound like pretty
guitar glitchery. instead of hearing christian
fennesz's patch (he actually
doesn't program any of his own) i hear whatever
plug-in he's using. not
that programming ability should be the only
prerequisite for computer music,
but for an aesthetic approach towards music that is so
based in "the glitch"
and the "post-digital" it is strange to me that these
musicians would take a
stance where being pro-music means you are
anti-programming. [that last
sentence was probably the biggest assumption i've made
all week] there are
plenty of musicians who use laptops that don't have so
much invested in the
"laptop" aesthetic (merzbow, aube, john wiese, etc.),
and those people i
have no problem with. if yr playing a computer and
making it sound like a
computer i think you should at least be able to
understand what the computer
sorry for the long-winded response. i'm a musician
computer into my own music. so i have a lot of
issues with the
"This is because knowledge is not made for
understanding; it is made for
cutting." - M.F.
> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 11:19:37 -0500
> From: "Kristopher S. Handley"
>Subject: Re: laptop composition questionsnight
> >From: Peter Wyeth <barepierre@...>
> >Heard a track from the new fennesz live cdlast
> >on radio 3 - it rocks. But my question is how areof
> >these tracks put together? does anyone anyone know
> >any links or resources to how the likes ofexponents
> >fennesz,oval, o'rouke (admmitedly the only
> >of 'laptop composition' i'm familiar with) actuallytogether by Touch, I
> >make this music?
>There is a relatively new website for Fennesz, put
>think:membership service with live
>Looks like there will be a subscription based
>recordings, etc. There are also sites for ChrisWatson and Oren Ambarchi.
>As for how he makes his music, the earlier stuff(HOTEL PARAL.LEL, etc.)
>wasguitar and various
>made with a sampler with like 4 megs of memory, a
>electronics. The music from the first Touch albumonward is more software
>based. He might use the program MAX-MSP(http://www.cycling74.com), which
>is for the moment a Mac-only application; people likeFennesz and Jim
>O'Rourke and others have used MAX a lot because eventhough the learning
>curve is a bit steep, it allows you a great deal offlexibility in
>your own virtual tools for making music a processing
>almostfree programs for PC
>build things from the ground up. However, there are
>which are quite similar, including Pure-Data aka PDon Mac OSX, and JMAX
>(http://www.pure-data.org/about), which will also run
>(http://www-ccrma.stanford.edu/guides/package/jmax/).Of course, there are
>so many ways to make these kinds of textural music,you don't even need a
>computer, but if you have one, there is a lot offreeware and shareware
>thatsounds. There is a
>is more than capable of helping you make interesting
>Windows-only piece of cheap shareware calledAudiomulch
>(http://www.audiomulch.com/), which is a great littleprogram, really
>powerful and intuitive, esp. for a beginner indigital signal processing.
>Asequencer/looper/multitracker/dsp program Live, by
>lot of people like the
>Ableton, and the synthesis program Reaktor by NativeInstruments, both of
>which work in Windows and Mac OS, but both of thoseprograms are quite a
>bitAnyway, that is probably a
>more expensive than programs like Audiomulch.
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