Re: Simon Reynolds' uberhipster index
- Wow. How totally pointless.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "ingthibault" <ingthibault@y...>
> From Simon Reynolds' Blissblog http://blissout.blogspot.com/manoevure stuff]
> Hopefully this will get some firey debate going...
> UBERHIPSTERS UNITED INFLUENCES INDEX 2003
> HARDY PERENNIALS
> [blue chip stocks, cooler than being obscure ultra--oneupmanship
> Beatles. Kraftwerk. Chic. Giorgio Moroder. Nirvana. Tubeway
> Division. The Fall. Pixies.Bamyasi /Neu!/
> [tapped-out, yesterday's cool move, middlebrow]
> Gang of Four. First three albums Wire. Can up to Tago Mago and Ege
> Faust. Electro. Obvious No Wave/mutant disco: Contortions, 99Records (Liquid
> Liquid, ESG). Gram Parsons. Boards of Canada. Italo Disco. Crate-digga: Library
> Music: KPM, Boosey & Hawkes etc/David Axelrod/The RotaryConnection. Obvious
> dub producers: Perry, Tubby. Brian Wilson/Van Dyke Parks. ScottWalker. Tropicalia.
> Cleveland: Electric Eels, Styrenes, Rocket For The Tombs, early ?classic? Pere Ubu. New
> York electrofunk/postdisco: Arthur Russell, Prelude, West End,Peech Boys, D-Train
> etc. "Being Boiled" era Human League/The Normal/?Nag Nag Nag?-eraCabaret
> Voltaire. Suicide. Nick Drake. United States of America. IA-era RedKrayola.
>ripe when you
> HOT FOR NOW
> [OTM this minute, edge-of-middlebrow danger like pears that go over-
> turn your back for a second]Heat. St.Pancras/
> Soft Machine. Dancehall: early Nineties to early noughties. This
> Rough Trade-era Scritti Politti. Ze. Eugene MacDaniels.Incredible String Band. The
> Cure. America. Young Marble Giants. Supertramp. Amon Duul (I).Fleetwood Mac
> circa Rumours/Tusk . Ethnographic field recordings. Proto-synthcore: The
> Screamers, Nervous Gender, Minimal Man.. Post-electro: Mantronix,T. La Rock, Chep
> Nunez, Nitro Deluxe, Cutting label, freestyle. My BloodyValentine. The Godz. The
> Fugs. Virgin-era Scritti. Canonical UK folk rock: FairportConvention/Shirley Collins/
> Pentangle. Janet Kay/Dennis Bovell lovers rock productions. ?AtticTapes? era Cabaret
> Voltaire. BBC Radiophonic Workshop. Yoko Ono. Rudimentary Peni.Baxters . Heldon/Richard
> TRES HOT a/k/a RIPE FOR REDISCOVERY
> [cooler-than-thou dead-cert trump-all-comers power move]
> The Homosexuals. Jefferson Airplane circa After Bathing At
> Pinhas . Eighties pre-ragga dancehall. Electronic body music: Front242, Nitzer Ebb,
> Skinny Puppy, et al. Bugge Wesseltoft. Henry Cow. Less obvious NoWave/mutant
> disco: Lust Unlust label, ImpLOG, Jody Harris/Bob Quine,Pulsalamma, Dark Day, Ut.
> More obscure UK folk-rock: Martin Carthy/Topic label/ JuneTabor/Albion Band.
> Tuxedomoon. Canterbury lesser lights: Caravan, Egg, NationalHealth, Hatfield & the
> North, Gilgamesh. Ron Geesin. Radar/Rough Trade-era Red Crayola.More obscure
> post-punk: Family Fodder, Fatal Microbes, Metaboliste, I?m SoHollow, Lemon Kittens,
> Vice Versa, Out On Blue Six, Basement 5, 4 Be 2?s, Furious Pig.Metal Urbain/Dr. Mix.
> South Asian fusion/desi/bhangra. Bleep & Bass: Unique 3, SweetExorcist (esp.
> C.C.C.D), Nexus 21, Rob Gordon productions, Ability II, etc. Soft-hop: PM Dawn,
> Definition of Sound. Vanity 6/Early Prince/Sheila E. Wirecirca "The Drill." Speed
> Garage. Hamilton Bohannon. Romeo Void. The Buggles. M. Tom TomClub circa The
> Man with the 4 Way Hips . David Crosby. The Blue Nile. SimpleMinds circa New Gold
> Dream .Swoon/Steve McQueen era Prefab Sprout.. Ragga jungle. "LostGeneration? a/
> k/a UK postrock-with-songs: Disco Inferno, Seefeel, Pram,Earwig/Insides,
> Moonshake/Laika etc.. The Minutemen. Judee Sill. Australianpostpunk: Voigt/465,
> Rhythmx Chymx, Slugfuckers, Tame O?Mearas, early Severed Heads. Pre-Some Bizarre
> Einsturzende Neubauten. Recommended Records. Bill Fay. SanFrancisco industrial:
> Factrix, Monte Cazzazza, Chrome, Z?Ev. LA Free MusicSociety/Monitor/B-People.
> German postpunk/industrial/artpop: pre-Virgin DeutschesAmerikanische
> Freundschaft/Der Plan/Palais Schaumberg. Japan circa AdolescentSex . Sproton
> Layer. Rose Royce. Fuck Off Records: Danny & the Dressmakers, TeenVampires, etc.
> Savage Rose. John Martyn circa Inside Out/One World . Pere Ubucirca New Picnic
> Time/Art of Walking/Song of the Bailing Man . Joni Mitchell.Obscure Manchester
> postpunk: Object label (Spherical Objects, The Grow-Up), ThePassage, Manicured
> Noise, New Hormones (Ludus, The Tiller Boys, Biting Tongues, EricRandom). Thomas
> Leer (with Robert Rental and solo circa 4 Movements EP ). AnnettePeacock. Curved
> Air. Early Gun Club. Blood On the Saddle. Agitation Free/UniversZero. David Byrne
> circa ?Cloud Chamber?/ Catherine Wheel . Pre-baggy Happy Mondays.humiliation]
> RANK OUTSIDERS FOR 2004
> [a gamble--major ahead-of-the-curve cool potential versus total
> Jefferson Starship. Simple Minds circa Empires and Dance .
> Wigwam. The Strawbs. Rock Follies soundtrack/Julie Covington.Sopwith Camel. The
> Police circa "Walking On the Moon". Wings. Pavlov?s Dog. Virgin era-Can. Steve
> Hillage. Stackridge. Manfred Mann?s Earth Band. Danielle Dax.Kate Bush circa The
> Dreaming . Late Gun Club. Patrick Adams. The Three Johns. Irishfolk-rock: Planxty,
> Horslips, early Clannad. Be Bop Deluxe/Red Noise/Bill Nelson solo.Peter Gabriel III .
> Pre-'94 trance: Hardfloor, Arpeggiators, etc. Second-wave avant-funk: Chakk, Portion
> Control, 400 Blows. Doctors of Madness/Richard Strange. Angletrax.Judie Tzuke.
> Man Jumping. Crammed Records. UK Decay. Mid-Eighties New Zealand:The Chills,
> The Clean, etc. Jean-Michel Jarre. Shambling: Ron Johnson Records,Stump, Shrubs,
> Bogshed, Big Flame, Membranes. Yargo. The Skids circa AbsoluteGame/Joy .
> Terence Trent D?Arby. Osibisa. Belgian hardcore techno. Luigi Nono.Really herky-
> jerky/quirked out New wave: first three albums XTC, Punishment ofLuxury, Lene
> Lovich, Nina Hagen, Plastics, Cardiacs. Landscape. Post-golden ageSST: Saccharine
> Trust, Paperbag, Always August, Universal Congress Of, Lawndale,Zoogz Rift.
> "Mature? Undertones circa ?It?s Going To Happen? and ?Julie Ocean?.Gryphon. Jethro
> Tull. Sailor/Pilot. Swans Way. Raunch-era Last Few Days. Brand X.Non-Devo Akron
> (Tin Huey, Rubber City Rebels, etc). Batcave: Specimen, Alien SexFiend, Sex Gang
> Children, Flesh For Lulu.The Doobie
> DON?T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT
> [their day will never come again]
> Starship. Simple Minds from ?Don?t You Forget About Me? onwards.
> Brothers. Pearl Jam. Collective Soul. Bush. Primal Scream (allphases). UB40.
> Jamiroquai. Lloyd Cole and the Commotions. Fatboy Slim. NWOBHM:Iron Maiden,
> Saxon, etc. Manic Street Preachers. Beck. Deep Purple/Rainbow.Roger Waters solo.
> Pink Floyd post-Roger Waters. Elvis Costello from Blood & Chocolateonwards. Texas.
> Leisure Process. The Police circa Synchronicity . Mid-periodFactory: Cath Carroll,
> Kalima, etc. Big Country/The Armoury Show. Microdisney/FatimaMansions. Bethnal.
> TRB. Erasure. The Red Hot Chilli Peppers. Jeff Beck. 1984/85 retro-rock Americana:
> True West, Guadacanal Diary, Long Ryders, Jason & the Scorchers.Curve/Garbage.
> Living Colour. Blood Sweat ?n? Tears. UK mod revival: SecretAffair, Merton Parkas.
> College rock (including all REM apart from Murmur ).Harvell, Rebecca
> Compiled from data provided by Dominic Laruffa, Kodwo Eshun, Jess
> Rosengarde, Jon Dale, Sasha Frere-Jones, Job de Wit, SuzanneSpiers, Joshua Merin,
> David Howie, Steven W. Schuldt, Scott Neill, Matthew Ingram (ha,gotcha), Nicola
> Stecher, Haley Kenshin, Nick Runcible, Gus Halpern, MichaelJary, Graham Dudlike,
> Mark Simmons, Donald Pryner, Alice Thompson, Heike Blumner, JakeSandlin,
> Fletcher Kern, Claire Brighton, B. Cole, Chas Bovis, Jason Blum,Noam Chomsky,
> Chris P. Laika-Crouton, Rennie J. Pilgrem, Hugh Ball, MichaelBelfer, Owen Gavin, M.
> P. Acardipane, Sasha Digweed, Jen Porridge, Chris Watson, AllyTurnbull, Adrian
> Newton, Mal Linder, Una Friel, Nicky Mancuso, David Siano, DannyPrivet-Hedge,
> Rupert Sager, D. Raskit, Sprettro Blanquez, D. Galas, OrlandoJulius, Smitty Davenport,
> Sid Barcelona, Jeff Simply, Sly Fidelity, Brown Hitgowenit, H.P.Buggo, Waldorf Statler,
> Andy Breton, Linda Gartside-Stroheimer, Gabi Bargeld, HolgerFehlmann, Mannie
> Fresh, Lynval Schneider, Rowland Cave, Bruce Falconi, J.D.Carducci, Mark E. Bramah,
> Deena Wrigley, Hilary Small, Brenda Twice.to disinvest from
> Thanks to all contributors.
> Best of the individual ballots to appear next week.
> 1/ Which Eighties? Post-punk still has some legs but it?s advisable
> obvious names and areas, and stack your portfolio with the veryobscure (John Peel
> one-offs) or the geographically remote (Germany, Australia, theBelgium/Netherlands,
> even France). Generally speaking, the early Eighties looking prettypeaked on most
> fronts, even though it?s yet to really cross over into themainstream, so the smart
> money is already moving deeper in that decade--skippingaltogether and going
> the mid-Eighties (the so-called ?Bad Music Era?: 83/84/85/86)
> straight to the late Eighties. Now is the time to start investingin second-wave
> industrial/Euro Body Music and early dreampop (the surprise,seemingly premature
> return of My Bloody Valentine to currency). Likewise in dancemusic, it would seem
> that last year?s power move--punk-funk/mutant disco/Italodisco/NYCelectrofunk
> (Prelude/Russell/West End)--is already tapped out, and the moreastute speculators
> will be moving into the post-electro/pre-house phase (Cutting,Nitro Deluxe,
> Freestyle). The trouble with moving to the late Eighties andbypassing the mid-period
> (a time when things were so desperate that The Triffids wereregarded as saviours) is
> that the optimum time span for recycling is 20 years or more, andalthough revival-
> attempts often begin after 15 years, the first several attempts areusually false starts
> or premature stabs (sort of equivalent those warriors in Zulu whosacrifice themselves
> in order to test the firepower of the besieged British garrison anduse up their
> ammunition), e.g Romo which was roughly 14 years after the periodit was attempting
> to revive and thus six to eight years premature. So although we canexpect some
> tentative moves into baggy/Madchester, say, these are too risky forthe sensible
> coolmongerer.half the duration of
> 2/ It seems like only yesterday. Dance music?s cycles run about
> rock?s cycles--instead of 20 years, the optimum period is 10 years.Despite the
> surprisingly non-appearance of a major ardkore/darkcore revival(probably because
> people started pining for and recycling that era within only a fewyears of its demise),
> we?re gearing up for a massive ?94-the-year-jungle-broke ragga-amen-rinse revival.
> For a while now, ?ardkore dealers have been devoting more space totunes from 94-
> 95 and prices have been rising accordingly. Other signs include theSoundmurderer
> CD, figures like DJ Shitmat and Enduser, Luke Vibert who has cutfive old skool jungle
> singles and has the Amen Andrew Vol. 1 record sooncome on Rephlex,while Mike
> Paradinas?s Planet Mu label is putting out a compilation of Remarc?s classic amen
> tunes. Power moves here entail moving out well beyond the obviousknowns (forget
> about the serious middlebrown zone ofRage/Grooverider/Fabio/Reinforced/Goldie,
> and especially Bukem --even though ?Demon?s Tune? was one of thefirst Amen
> tunes) and expand the ?auteurisation? syndrome to the figures whonever got the iD/
> Face/Muzik/Mixmag treatment: Remarc, Bizzy B, Randall, DJ Nut Nut,Kemet Crew,
> Suburban Base/Ganja (Marvellous Cain, Hype, Pascal/Johnny Jungle,Noise of Art,
> Flex, Krome & Time), Dead Dred/Second Movement/Back 2 Basics, DMS &Boneman, X
> Ram/Shimon/Andy C, Gappa G & Hyper Hyper, Formation/SS, plus thecountless
> ragga-sploitation bandwagon-jumping dancehall relicks of the era.Ultra power
> moves: Leviticus ?Burial? and anything by M-Beat especially theones not featuring
> General Levy.
- What a load of bollocks. I got my list, you got your
list, don't need to be told what to like or I'd still
be reading Q.
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- I think that perhaps there may be a couple of points being missed here ...
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- In a message dated 6/4/2003 11:55:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> From Simon Reynolds' Blissblog http://blissout.blogspot.com/I believe he opened this up to vote from the outside (fellow crits) as an
> Hopefully this will get some firey debate going...
update of a similar list he did many years ago, so it's not his opinion only. i
also imagine some of it is in jest (note multiple mentions of jefferson
airplane/starship across the different categories...someone's idea of taking the
piss re: hipster lists, me thinks).
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> RANK OUTSIDERS FOR 2004versus total humiliation]
> [a gamble--major ahead-of-the-curve cool potential >
>As a french guy who was a teen in the 80s I truly
> ......... Jean-Michel Jarre.....
appreciate this potential come-back of the real father
(Not these posh arty technocrats from Duseldorf)
"Quatrieme Rendez-vous" remembers me of the first time
of I have danced with a girl.
Well, yes, I know, you don't care about my life,
but I wanted to underline how music can change
My modest contribution to the world of lists
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Coil - Live 2 (Moscow)
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- In a message dated 05/06/03 12:22:29 GMT Daylight Time,
> I think that perhaps there may be a couple of points being missed here ...Take your time... What do you mean anyway? Did Simon Reynolds forget
something on his shopping list or are we not fully appreciating the Jefferson Airplane
Rich (aka Mr. Yawn)
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- I'm digging that jab at the "Bad Music Period" because 83-86 are exactly
the duration of my high school years. I remember buying new albums
released within that period of Cabs & Cocteaus & Neubauten & DAF &
Tuxedomoon & Coil & Negativland & Merzbow & Borbetomagus & Nurse With
Wound & Severed Heads & Hunting Lodge & Psychic TV & various Rock In
Opposition (Art Bears? Etron Fou? etc). I remember paging
frantically through Sound Choice and OP, tuning in fanatically to college
radio shows where an unbelievable array of new music would be played,
ordering religiously from RRR and Subterreanean, connecting furiously with
the international cassette culture from Algebra Suicide to Illusion of
Safety. Of course I also remember buying lots of New Wave. No apologies
made for purchasing Simple Minds 'New Gold Dream', SSQ, Siouxsie, Laurie
Anderson, at least two Three O'Clock albums, XTC, or the entire Shriekback
catalog up to & including 'Big Night Music.' Or for that matter, the
anti-war song "State of the Nation" by poofy haired one-hit wonders
Industry which has been resonating with me recently for mostly lyrical
"Every day it's tomorrow, and to dance is all I need."
"Danseparc", Martha & the Muffins
- In a message dated 05/06/03 04:55:27 GMT Daylight Time,
> 2/ It seems like only yesterday. Dance music?s cycles run about half theAmen. I've been waiting for this to happen- the Soundmurderer CD on Violent
> duration of
> rock?s cycles--instead of 20 years, the optimum period is 10 years. Despite
> surprisingly non-appearance of a major ardkore/darkcore revival (probably
> people started pining for and recycling that era within only a few years of
> its demise),
> we?re gearing up for a massive ?94-the-year-jungle-broke ragga-amen-rinse
> For a while now, ?ardkore dealers have been devoting more space to tunes
> from 94-
> 95 and prices have been rising accordingly. Other signs include the
> CD, figures like DJ Shitmat and Enduser, Luke Vibert who has cut five old
> skool jungle
> singles and has the Amen Andrew Vol. 1 record sooncome on Rephlex, while
> Paradinas?s Planet Mu label is putting out a compilation of Remarc?s classic
> tunes. Power moves here entail moving out well beyond the obvious knowns
> about the serious middlebrown zone of
> and especially Bukem --even though ?Demon?s Tune? was one of the first Amen
> tunes) and expand the ?auteurisation? syndrome to the figures who never got
> the iD/
> Face/Muzik/Mixmag treatment: Remarc, Bizzy B, Randall, DJ Nut Nut, Kemet
> Suburban Base/Ganja (Marvellous Cain, Hype, Pascal/Johnny Jungle, Noise of
> Flex, Krome & Time), Dead Dred/Second Movement/Back 2 Basics, DMS & Boneman,
> Ram/Shimon/Andy C, Gappa G & Hyper Hyper, Formation/SS, plus the countless
> ragga-sploitation bandwagon-jumping dancehall relicks of the era. Ultra
> moves: Leviticus ?Burial? and anything by M-Beat especially the ones not
> General Levy.
Turd brought back many memories and I only wanted more of the same.
Unfortunately all I found was the horrid Jungle Massive style vocal comps flaunting
tracks pretty much with that later 'Steely Dan sheen' sound, covered with nasty
rudeboy cartoon artwork that kids used to dress themselves up with to rob the
local sweetshop. Those were the days...
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- --- In email@example.com, jamello@a... wrote:
> I believe he opened this up to vote from the outside (fellow crits) as anI would think that a writer like Reynolds would be pretty self-aware of his
> update of a similar list he did many years ago, so it's not his opinion only. i
> also imagine some of it is in jest (note multiple mentions of jefferson
> airplane/starship across the different categories...someone's idea of taking the
> piss re: hipster lists, me thinks).
'uberhipster' status, and is obviously having a joke at his own expense, and that of
the other uberhipsters he consulted, incl. Kodwo Eshun, Sasha Frere-Jones et al.
If the joke's still not apparent, note the inclusion of obvious faux consultants, Noam
Chomsky for example! Then there's consultants who I'm not sure whether they're fake
or not, ie. Diamanda Galas, Sasha & Digweed, Jen Porridge (Genesis P. Orridge
pisstake?), Rowland Cave (Bad Seeds pisstake?).
xx ingrid xx
Thanks for your reflective list...this same period was my college period. I
might only add early OMD and Ultravox, and singles that stand out for me,
like Freur: "Doot Doot(?)", Kissing the Pink: "Big Man Restless", Urban
Verbs: "When the Dance Is Over", and Pete Shelley: "Witness the Change". I
was a huge Severed Heads fan as well, and think I'll grab my turntable and
Heads collection next time I'm in my mom's basement and put together a
compilation or two...
np (at work): Soliman Gamil-A Map Of Egypt Before the Sands
>Subject: Re: [thewire] Simon Reynolds' uberhipster index
>Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 15:10:08 -0400 (EDT)
>I'm digging that jab at the "Bad Music Period" because 83-86 are exactly
>the duration of my high school years. I remember buying new albums
>released within that period of Cabs & Cocteaus & Neubauten & DAF &
>Tuxedomoon & Coil & Negativland & Merzbow & Borbetomagus & Nurse With
>Wound & Severed Heads & Hunting Lodge & Psychic TV & various Rock In
>Opposition (Art Bears? Etron Fou? etc). I remember paging
>frantically through Sound Choice and OP, tuning in fanatically to college
>radio shows where an unbelievable array of new music would be played,
>ordering religiously from RRR and Subterreanean, connecting furiously with
>the international cassette culture from Algebra Suicide to Illusion of
>Safety. Of course I also remember buying lots of New Wave. No apologies
>made for purchasing Simple Minds 'New Gold Dream', SSQ, Siouxsie, Laurie
>Anderson, at least two Three O'Clock albums, XTC, or the entire Shriekback
>catalog up to & including 'Big Night Music.' Or for that matter, the
>anti-war song "State of the Nation" by poofy haired one-hit wonders
>Industry which has been resonating with me recently for mostly lyrical
>"Every day it's tomorrow, and to dance is all I need."
> "Danseparc", Martha & the Muffins
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- --- In email@example.com, "Gary Atkins" <gatki@h...> wrote:
> Manny-period. I
> Thanks for your reflective list...this same period was my college
> might only add early OMD and Ultravox, and singles that stand outfor me,
> like Freur: "Doot Doot(?)",funny that they went on to be Underworld innit?
Kissing the Pink: "Big Man Restless",
>only recall the Last Party chart hit thing
> Verbs: "When the Dance Is Over", and Pete Shelley: "Witness theChange". I
> was a huge Severed Heads fan as well,they never connected with me, all I've heard seems static. maybe I
missed their good stuff.
was weird seeing that reynolds list yesterday after seeing 25th
hour. i was thinking that Liquid Liquid might get some exposure
they're mixed in and out of White Lines i the club scene -probably
pretty cliched since I think most people know that the Cavern
bassline is the basis of the other song). I think Reynolds has them
down as Passe. They sounded pretyty great at that volume anyway, so
Np Gira/Martz Stitches