Re: [thewire] Re: //Copyright monopoly and creative sounds
- by the 16th century it was actually common for masses and such to be based on
popular songs of the neighborhood often times written by the same person who
wrote the masses.
Olivier Borzeix wrote:
> Furthermore... most religious "classical music" pieces like Masses, requiems-- -Kraig Grady
> etc. were builded on Gregorian/Melismatic melodies (Bach's Magnificat,
> Mozart's requiem, Haendel's Dixit Dominus...etc).
> In "Les Essais" Montaigne say aproximately (I don't remember the exact
> quote) that, once integrated into its own concept, a thinker/writer can call
> his own another one's idea or quote. I firmly think this is/should be true
> for Music and art too (and if we were not so hypocritical we'd see its
> already true).
> Godar/Spilane, Ground Zero anybody?
> my two cents
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- Olivier wrote to wire:
OB> Forgot to mention Bach's quoting of Vivaldi in some of his concertos...
Or wholesale transcription, in the case of the Concerto for 4 Klavier
(based on a 4-violin concerto of Vivaldi's).
There's a piece by Stockhausen I'd be appalled if I had to actually cite
by name ;-). Mind you, Beethoven had fun with anthems in Wellington's
Victory 1.5 century earlier ... I'm sure there are other uses of
patriotic themes (oh wait, Ives, duh).
The most startling intrusion I can think of -- it works just a sample,
in fact most like a "cut-in" record -- is the quotation from a Beethoven
sonata (I think it's from the prelude to the 4th movement of the
Hammerklavier, but unfortunately Ch-Cr is still in storage so I can't
check) in George Crumb's Makrokosmos v.2, which floats in like the Ghost
There's a metric ton of quotation in George Rochberg's post-60s work as
Jim Flannery newgrange@...
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