Re: //Copyright monopoly and creative sounds
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Olivier Borzeix" <oborzeix@s...>
> In "Les Essais" Montaigne say aproximately (I don't remember theexact
> quote) that, once integrated into its own concept, a thinker/writercan call
> his own another one's idea or quote. I firmly think this is/shouldbe true
> for Music and art too (and if we were not so hypocritical we'd seeits
> already true).I've been researching an nextrended essay on metaphor and come across
the idea of framing (think I've known it before but here I got an
because I've been reasding massively I can't remember oif its in
Lakoff's Wome, Fire and Dangerous things or Kittay's Metaphor.
Anyway the basic drift is that the context is likely to be the
determinant influence. Copping somebody else's idea and
recontextualising it therefore ought to change the focus etc.
I think everything exists as a part of a greater network so what is
seen as surrounding the idea, the next points it links into etc are
going to reflect back on the idea itself and so on
- Olivier wrote to wire:
OB> Forgot to mention Bach's quoting of Vivaldi in some of his concertos...
Or wholesale transcription, in the case of the Concerto for 4 Klavier
(based on a 4-violin concerto of Vivaldi's).
There's a piece by Stockhausen I'd be appalled if I had to actually cite
by name ;-). Mind you, Beethoven had fun with anthems in Wellington's
Victory 1.5 century earlier ... I'm sure there are other uses of
patriotic themes (oh wait, Ives, duh).
The most startling intrusion I can think of -- it works just a sample,
in fact most like a "cut-in" record -- is the quotation from a Beethoven
sonata (I think it's from the prelude to the 4th movement of the
Hammerklavier, but unfortunately Ch-Cr is still in storage so I can't
check) in George Crumb's Makrokosmos v.2, which floats in like the Ghost
There's a metric ton of quotation in George Rochberg's post-60s work as
Jim Flannery newgrange@...
"There are three things required for happiness: good health,
selfishness, and stupidity, and without stupidity the others
are useless." -- Gustave Flaubert
np: F/i, _Why Not Now? ... Alan!_
nr: Claude Lévi-Strauss, _Tristes Tropiques_