RE: [thewire] Re: //Copyright monopoly and creative sounds
- Furthermore... most religious "classical music" pieces like Masses, requiems
etc. were builded on Gregorian/Melismatic melodies (Bach's Magnificat,
Mozart's requiem, Haendel's Dixit Dominus...etc).
In "Les Essais" Montaigne say aproximately (I don't remember the exact
quote) that, once integrated into its own concept, a thinker/writer can call
his own another one's idea or quote. I firmly think this is/should be true
for Music and art too (and if we were not so hypocritical we'd see its
Godar/Spilane, Ground Zero anybody?
my two cents
De : Jan Marius Breivoll av Lxgster [mailto:kefka@...]
Envoye : 4 mai, 2003 12:01
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Objet : Re: [thewire] Re: //Copyright monopoly and creative sounds
Den 2003-05-04, 14:15:00 skrev Stevo:
>Did people prior to sampling basically sample on a more primitiveBefore recording audio became possible, it was standard practise for
>level by copping riffs from elsewhere.
classical composers to include "quotations" by other composers.
"Just because you do not take an interest in politics
doesn't mean that politics won't take an interest in you."
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- Olivier wrote to wire:
OB> Forgot to mention Bach's quoting of Vivaldi in some of his concertos...
Or wholesale transcription, in the case of the Concerto for 4 Klavier
(based on a 4-violin concerto of Vivaldi's).
There's a piece by Stockhausen I'd be appalled if I had to actually cite
by name ;-). Mind you, Beethoven had fun with anthems in Wellington's
Victory 1.5 century earlier ... I'm sure there are other uses of
patriotic themes (oh wait, Ives, duh).
The most startling intrusion I can think of -- it works just a sample,
in fact most like a "cut-in" record -- is the quotation from a Beethoven
sonata (I think it's from the prelude to the 4th movement of the
Hammerklavier, but unfortunately Ch-Cr is still in storage so I can't
check) in George Crumb's Makrokosmos v.2, which floats in like the Ghost
There's a metric ton of quotation in George Rochberg's post-60s work as
Jim Flannery newgrange@...
"There are three things required for happiness: good health,
selfishness, and stupidity, and without stupidity the others
are useless." -- Gustave Flaubert
np: F/i, _Why Not Now? ... Alan!_
nr: Claude Lévi-Strauss, _Tristes Tropiques_