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  • phil hargreaves
    ... but i imagine that thurston s response would be because he feels that SY have a reputation for being creative musicians, rather than entertainers, and that
    Message 1 of 2 , Mar 16, 2002
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      > From: chux <chux_vom@...>
      > Subject: Response to new music
      >
      > Greets,
      >
      > I read that Thurston Moore seemed surprised at the response that SY
      > received when they played a set of new music. Whilst I'd support
      > anyone's choice to play something new, I don't think that they should
      > be surprised if it receives a negative response (esp. if it is
      > 'difficult' music).
      >
      > I know a couple of people who seem to able to listen to a CD once and
      > decide what they think of it. For me it takes about 5 'listenings'.
      > And this is especially true of music that is move removed from my
      > usual habits. As it turns out, I sometimes agree and sometimes
      > disagree with the 'snap' decision. Perhaps even the process is
      > different?
      >
      > I suspect that many people's response to music is essentially
      > Pavlovian; and without a history of reinforcement their expectations
      > (of pleasure) cannot be met. If you present new and difficult (i.e.
      > without clear reference points) music to an audience (who have
      > largely come because they recognised your name!) it should be no
      > surprise that they respond in an ambivalent or negative fashion.
      >
      > How does this fit with other's experience?
      >
      > chx
      > --

      but i imagine that thurston's response would be because he feels that SY have a reputation for being creative musicians, rather than entertainers, and that their audience would accordingly value this
      facet of their work, and appreciate it, rather than expecting some sort of counter-culture shirley bassey type thing.

      maybe they need to work harder at disturbing their audiences more comfortable expectations...

      speaking from a personal perspective (as always), i'm always much more interested in people exploring the limits of their abilities rather than re-presenting material that i know they can already do. it's
      not blind neophilia, i just find exploration more thrilling than exposition.

      phil hargreaves

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      whi music
      http://www.whi-music.co.uk
      PO Box 153/South Eastern L15 9JF/UK
      fax: 0870-130 6326
    • John Jones
      Isn t it acceptable sometimes to dislike difficult music - like most things, there s good and bad in simplitsic, basic music and difficult music. And after
      Message 2 of 2 , Mar 18, 2002
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        Isn't it acceptable sometimes to dislike 'difficult'
        music - like most things, there's good and bad in
        simplitsic, basic music and difficult music. And after
        listening carefully to SY's covers of a-g musics, I
        think it is not very good at all - avant garde karaoke
        - there's no spark, no creativity, even - it sounds so
        reverential and PLODDING.



        --- phil hargreaves <list@...> wrote:
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        >    From: chux
        <chux_vom@...><BR>
        > Subject: Response to new music<BR>
        ><BR>
        > Greets,<BR>
        ><BR>
        > I read that Thurston Moore seemed  surprised
        at the response that SY<BR>
        > received when they played a set of new 
        music. Whilst I'd support<BR>
        > anyone's choice to play something new, I don't
        think that they should<BR>
        > be surprised if it receives a negative response
        (esp. if it is<BR>
        > 'difficult' music).<BR>
        ><BR>
        > I know a couple of people who seem to able to
        listen to a CD once and<BR>
        > decide what they think of it. For me it takes
        about 5 'listenings'.<BR>
        > And this is especially true of music that is move
        removed from my<BR>
        > usual habits. As it turns out, I sometimes agree
        and sometimes<BR>
        > disagree with the 'snap' decision. Perhaps even
        the process is<BR>
        > different?<BR>
        ><BR>
        > I suspect that many people's response to music is
        essentially<BR>
        > Pavlovian; and without a history of reinforcement
        their expectations<BR>
        > (of pleasure) cannot be met. If you present new
        and difficult (i.e.<BR>
        > without clear reference points) music to an
        audience (who have<BR>
        > largely come because they recognised your name!)
        it should be no<BR>
        > surprise that they respond in an ambivalent or
        negative fashion.<BR>
        ><BR>
        > How does this fit with other's experience?<BR>
        ><BR>
        > chx<BR>
        > --<BR>
        <BR>
        but i imagine that thurston's response would be
        because he feels that SY have a reputation for being
        creative musicians, rather than entertainers, and that
        their audience would accordingly value this<BR>
        facet of their work, and appreciate it, rather than
        expecting some sort of counter-culture shirley bassey
        type thing.<BR>
        <BR>
        maybe they need to work harder at disturbing their
        audiences more comfortable expectations...<BR>
        <BR>
        speaking from a personal perspective (as always), i'm
        always much more interested in people exploring the
        limits of their abilities rather than re-presenting
        material that i know they can already do. it's<BR>
        not blind neophilia, i just find exploration more
        thrilling than exposition.<BR>
        <BR>
        phil hargreaves<BR>
        <BR>
        --<BR>
        whi music<BR>
        <a
        href="http://www.whi-music.co.uk">http://www.whi-music.co.uk</a><BR>
        PO Box 153/South Eastern L15 9JF/UK<BR>
        fax: 0870-130 6326<BR>
        <BR>
        <BR>
        </tt>

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