RE: [thewire] Re: Luc Ferrari (and Gerard Grisey)
- Thanks for the recommendations so far. Just for the record, the Grisey piece
I've heard is "Partiels", which was played at a late-night Prom last year
and appeared to be one of his spectral compositions, in that it dealt with
slowly shifting tissues of sound. The two Ferrari pieces were "Presque Rien
No.4 - La Remontee du Village" (a tape piece of ambient sounds) and "Les
Emois d'Aphrodite" (a piece for ensemble with a supposedly erotic text,
which I couldn't really hear) at the wonderful Other Minds festival in San
Francisco back in 1999. I'll certainly follow up all your suggestions (or
all the ones I can actually get hold of).
From: Guillaume Grenier [mailto:gollum@...]
Sent: 30 September 2001 03:01
Subject: Re: [thewire] Re: Luc Ferrari (and Gerard Grisey)
On 29/09/01 21:47, Ryan Whitehead said in living color:
> Nobody's jumped on the Gerard Grisey side of the equation? What's he allWell, as far as basic info goes, he's one of the founder of the spectral
> about? Any takers?
movement. Was part of the "L'Itinéraire" group which include[d?] Tristan
Murail (and some others I'm forgetting) among other members.
As for recommendations, I won't be of much help as I have no CD with works
by him... I do know some titles ("Les espaces acoustiques" seems to be an
important one), but never actually heard them. Several of the releases are
on Accord, a label that is hard to get by on the American continent.
Guillaume Grenier - gollum@...
in space there is no north in space there is no south
in space there is no east in space there is no west
UNSUBSCRIBE = mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org
TheWire List Info Page: [getting there]
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
This email has been scanned for viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service.
For further details, please see
In case of problems, please call your organisations IT helpdesk.
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
- "Unheimlich Schon" amazes me because it is like a minimalist sound narrative
whose multiple ambiguity contains riches for me. every time i hear it, i can
imagine yet another narrative built around the simple oscillation between a
woman;s voice whispering 'unheimlich schon' and a man's breathing (along with
small coughs, clearings of the throat, etc.'.
By the way, this was released in a series from Metamkine entitled "Cinema
pour L'Oreille": Jim O'rourke's contribution to this series, another 3-incher
entitled "Rules of Reduction", is one of his best in my opinion. Has anyone
heard any other pieces from this series? I'm especially interested in getting
my hands on Michel Chion's piece "Credo Mambo". all i've heard from him so far
is "La Ronde", and my interest mostly stems from my admiration for his critical
works (a book on David Lynch and a couple on sound and narrative in film)...
"Kristopher S. Handley" wrote:
> >-Vol. 1: Chansons Pour le Corps/Et Si Toute Entiere
> >Maintenant...(Icebreaker...Supposing Now I Were To...) [Mode] CD
> Could someone describe/vouch for this recording? Sounds interesting, but
> the budget is tight, so I thought I'd solicit comment. Something made me
> think that this was different from much of the (earlier) Ferrari canon.
> >-Presque Rien [INA GRM] CD (I think this is out of print)
> IIC, this is freshly back in print (as of about 2 months ago or so), along
> with the mindblowing LA CRéATION DU MONDE and DE NATURA SONORUM recordings
> by Bernard Parmegiani (highly, highly recommended concret....behold
> Parmegiani creating AUtechre in a single short section of SONORUM). I got
> my copy from my local shop for about $15, which I think is quite a bit
> cheaper than through the "official" distributor (?) Diffusion Imedia, who
> were charging about $25 for it.
> Also, no one mentioned the short piece from the Seventies, "Unheimlich
> Schön", which was released by Metamkine as a 3"CD. Like/unlike DANSE
> ORGANIQUE, it seems to amplify some kind of interior life of a young woman,
> though to me it seems just erotic as the "pornographic" DANSE. (I wonder if
> this is problematic, i.e. a man putting isolated female
> pleasure/vulnerability on display, i.e. yawn more of the same, aural
> equivalent of inequitable full frontal [female] nudity in popular film, or
> of the apparent dominance of the sound of female pleasure in the sound esign
> of porn. "Unheimlich" is beautiful and worth checking out, but I'd be
> curious to know if anyone else might have had a hesitancy about this.)
> BTW, what is Ferrari's reputation built on? There seems to be a pretty
> small amoutn of material in print right now, and I could see someone
> presenting his work as Duchampian "readymade" (the PRESQUE RIEN stuff, at
> least), but where does he "fit in" to the state of late 20thC music? Why is
> he important?
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
> UNSUBSCRIBE = mailto:email@example.com
> TheWire List Info Page: [getting there]
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>From: "Manuel V. Cabrera Jr." <mandelc@...>Very well-put. I listened to PRESQUE RIEN and "Unheimlich" again last
> "Unheimlich Schon" amazes me because it is like a minimalist sound
>whose multiple ambiguity contains riches for me. every time i hear it, i
>imagine yet another narrative built around the simple....[snip]
night, on a very long slow coast into sleep, which might be an ideal state
for taking these works in. My previous comments might be inevitable for
this kind of work, i.e. betraying more about me than about the work at hand,
esp. since it acts like a blank screen for projections of the self. An open
BTW, not that it matters terribly, but I made a typo previously:
> > Like/unlike DANSEOf course, I meant "it seems just AS erotic as...". I'm not even sure
> > ORGANIQUE, [UNHEIMLICH SHOEN] seems to amplify some kind of interior
>life of a young woman,
> > though to me it seems just erotic as the "pornographic" DANSE.
there's any "just" when it comes to the erotic!
Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp
Wyslano z portalu Gazeta.pl - http://www.gazeta.pl
- Sorry, list, but I don't anything at all about the e.mail reproducedbelwo
>Subject: [thewire] Melt Banana...
>Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 23:20:01 +0100
>Wyslano z portalu Gazeta.pl - http://www.gazeta.pl
Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com