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  • Grandmaster Slam
    Apr 7, 1999
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      Carlos,

      I'm getting over to nYC for a special weekend excursion, last weekend in
      April. You going to be there? Let's gett hings going dude....


      ---Stanley Lam
      ---Grand Slamma
      ---slam@...

      On 6 Apr 1999 thewire@onelist.com wrote:

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      > There are 25 messages in this issue.
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      > Topics in today's digest:
      >
      > 1. LMC web site
      > From: Andy Wilson <AndyW@...>
      > 2. Re: Some new releases / Dalek
      > From: Jason Witherspoon <arzachel@...>
      > 3. Re: LMC web site
      > From: lmc <postmaster@...>
      > 4. Re: Tropicalia recommendations
      > From: "Per-Christian Hille" <per.hille@...>
      > 5. Stockholm - live info April
      > From: |MITEK| <mitek@...>
      > 6. Re: LMC web site
      > From: Lillev�n <lillevan@...-berlin.de>
      > 7. some more Tropicalia recommendations
      > From: "Per-Christian Hille" <per.hille@...>
      > 8. Re: LMC web site
      > From: lmc <postmaster@...>
      > 9. DJs say you're doing it
      > From: "Nigel Ayers" <nigel.ayers@...>
      > 10. Re: LMC web site
      > From: Lillev�n <lillevan@...-berlin.de>
      > 11. Re: Tropicalia recommendations
      > From: "Andrew Comming" <andy@...>
      > 12. Re: DJs say you're doing it
      > From: Burton Thomas <thomasbw@...>
      > 13. Re: DJs say you're doing it
      > From: John Everall <john.sentrax@...>
      > 14. Re: DJs say you're doing it
      > From: "Davis Ford" <forddavi@...>
      > 15. Re: DJs say you're doing it
      > From: "R. Lim" <rlim@...>
      > 16. Re: DJs say you're doing it
      > From: Matthew Weber <mweber@...>
      > 17. Re: DJs say you're doing it
      > From: Andy Wilson <AndyW@...>
      > 18. Re: Anarcho-noise annoys.....
      > From: Andy Wilson <AndyW@...>
      > 19. Re: DJs say you're doing it
      > From: Matthew Weber <mweber@...>
      > 20. Re: DJs say you're doing it
      > From: John Everall <john.sentrax@...>
      > 21. Re: Anarcho-noise annoys.....
      > From: John Everall <john.sentrax@...>
      > 22. Re: Digest Number 303
      > From: "GASK" <gask@...>
      > 23. Cult over content/Eureka
      > From: "Steven Wainwright" <rien@...>
      > 24. Re: Tropicalia recommendations
      > From: Jason Witherspoon <arzachel@...>
      > 25. Re: Tropicalia recommendations
      > From: Jason Witherspoon <arzachel@...>
      >
      >
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
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      >
      > Message: 1
      > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:10:18 +0100
      > From: Andy Wilson <AndyW@...>
      > Subject: LMC web site
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      > does anyone have the URL for the London Musicians Collective site ?
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      > Message: 2
      > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 03:30:10 -0700
      > From: Jason Witherspoon <arzachel@...>
      > Subject: Re: Some new releases / Dalek
      >
      > At 3:24 PM -0500 3/3/99, Davis Ford wrote:
      > >Jason, if you catch this, I looked around for this album you mentioned:
      > >
      > >D�lek: Negro Necro Nekros
      > >
      > >Didn't have much luck finding info about it. What label is it on, and where
      > >can I find it?
      > >
      > >Davis
      >
      > It's on Gern Blandsten, of all labels, but I swear it ain't emo.
      > Midheaven has it: http://www.midheaven.com/artists/dalek.html
      >
      >
      >
      > Jason Witherspoon
      >
      > --- ---
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      > com/~arz
      > http://www.best.com/~arzachel
      > www.best.com/~arzachel
      > best.com/~a
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      >
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      >
      > Message: 3
      > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:42:20 +0000
      > From: lmc <postmaster@...>
      > Subject: Re: LMC web site
      >
      > >From: Andy Wilson <AndyW@...>
      > >
      > >does anyone have the URL for the London Musicians Collective site ?
      >
      > Yes - details follow below. For those who don't know, LMC is putting on the
      > only (ever) cocnert by Pierre Henry (28 May) - plus Fluxus composer Philip
      > Corner with teh South bank Gamelan. Also (as part of its Festival) Lee
      > Ranaldo, Lindsay Cooper, Disinformation, Eugnee Chadbourne, Mass Producers
      > and others. Look at the LMC site's May calendar for Festival information
      > and other stuff that I won't lay on the list right now.
      > Ed Baxter
      >
      > ---------------------------------------------
      > London Musicians' Collective Limited
      > 3.6 Lafone House, 11-13 Leathermarket Street, London SE1 3HN
      > Tel: 0171 403 1922
      > Fax: 0171 403 1880
      > http://www.l-m-c.org.uk
      > ---------------------------------------------
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      >
      > Message: 4
      > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 13:26:12 +0200
      > From: "Per-Christian Hille" <per.hille@...>
      > Subject: Re: Tropicalia recommendations
      >
      >
      > > Jason Witherspoon wrote:
      > > Don't neglect the Jorge Ben & Milton Nascimento of the period.
      >
      > Nascimento's "Milagro Dos Peixes" from 74 is wonderful - if you're after
      > originals, be sure to look for a copy that includes the bonus 7'' "Cade", an
      > amazing Latin Dance(ish) track. Quadrophonic no less! And the whole thing
      > comes wrapped up in a cool multifold sleeve (reminiscent of Small Faces
      > "Ogden's" album)
      >
      > > but apparently the first couple of Rita Lee solo records
      > > are backed by them. I got Fruto Proibido by her & was turned off by it's
      > > straight-rockist-Jovem Guard aura; presumably the earlier ones are wiggier.
      >
      > Although Rita Lee's 2 first solo efforts ("Build Up" and "Hoje e o primeiro
      > dia do resto da sua vida") are backed by Mutantes, they're far from amazing.
      > It's Rita Lee the artist picking up where "Rita Lee" the Mutantes song left
      > off. So depending on what aspect of Mutantes you like best... (But hey, had
      > I found vinyl originals at a decent price, I'd pick them up in a flash). A
      > better bet is Arnaldo Baptista's "Singin Alone" from 1982, dark,moody and
      > classic. (His "Loki" from 1974 lingers between dodgy and crap by the way)
      >
      > cheers,
      > Per-Christian
      > 8*)
      >
      >
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      > Message: 5
      > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 14:22:41 +0100
      > From: |MITEK| <mitek@...>
      > Subject: Stockholm - live info April
      >
      > sorry for crossposting etc.
      >
      > msp_live info April
      >
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      > start....
      >
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      > Dae:
      > T1:43 +0200
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      > C:
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      >
      > l: 17/4 Elekton 4 | 19/4 Jim O'Rourke [us]
      > | 22/4 Quintet | 27/4 Brandon Labelle [us] + CM Von Hausswolff [swe]
      > _______________________
      >
      >
      > Saturday the 17th of April
      >
      > ELEKTON 17:4:99
      > w. TRAKTOR [B. NILSEN & M. STAV�STRAND] + GUESTS
      > __coH & HENRIK JOHANSSON
      > FYLKINGEN | TORKELKNUTSSONG. 2 | M�NCHENBRYGGERIET
      > | STOCKHOLM | Sweden |17 April | 19:30 | 50:-
      >
      > lots of more info @ http://w1.842.telia.com/~u84202016/msp__events.html
      > | mail: mitek@...
      >
      >
      > __________________________________
      >
      > Monday the 19th of April
      >
      >
      > JIM O'ROURKE [US]
      >
      > First time in Scandinavia
      >
      > 19:30 Monday the 19th of April 1999
      > Fylkingen | Torkelknutssong. 2 [M�nchenbryggeriet] | Stockholm | Sweden
      > Entrance: 100:- | Bar
      >
      > Jim O'Rourke meets DJustable
      >
      > Jim O'Rourke [us] - guitar
      >
      > DJustable;
      > Mats Gustafsson - sax.
      > David Stacken�s - guitar
      > Henry Moore-Selder - turntable
      > Per-�ke Holmlander - tuba, trombon
      > Niklas Korssell - drums
      >
      > + Mikael Stav�strand - Powerbook [special apperance]
      >
      >
      >
      > lots of more info @ http://w1.842.telia.com/~u84202016/msp__events.html
      > | mail: mitek@...
      >
      > links about Jim O'Rourke
      > http://www.nd.org/mag_cont/orourke.html
      > http://www.furious.com/perfect/orourke.html
      > http://www.art-bag.net/contd/liner/o_rourke.htm
      >
      >
      > _____________________________________
      >
      > Thursday the 22th of April
      >
      > 19:30 @ Fylkingen
      >
      > quintet, improvisation
      > ,
      > johannes bergmark - homebuilt instruments. moog,
      > mats lindst�m - homebuilt instruments. electronics,
      > mats gustafsson - sax.
      > david stacken�s . guitar
      > m. stav�strand - powerbook
      >
      > ________________________________________
      >
      > Tuesday den 27:e April
      >
      > AMPLIFIED OBJECTS | -SPACES | -ENVIROMENTS |
      >
      > Tuesday 27:th April | scope @ fylkingen/
      > Brandon Labelle [us] | + CM Von Hausswolff [swe]
      > 19:30 | entrance: 70:- | The Nursery in cooperation with Fylkingen
      > info: mitek@... | | www.it.kth.se/KREV/citizen/mikael
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ...end
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      > Message: 6
      > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 14:47:53 -0700
      > From: Lillev�n <lillevan@...-berlin.de>
      > Subject: Re: LMC web site
      >
      > lmc wrote:
      >
      >
      > > the
      > > only (ever) concert by Pierre Henry -
      >
      > ????????????
      >
      > l.
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      > Message: 7
      > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 14:41:16 +0200
      > From: "Per-Christian Hille" <per.hille@...>
      > Subject: some more Tropicalia recommendations
      >
      > Although not quite up to "Missa Breve" standard, Edu Lobo's "Cameleao" from
      > 78 (don't be put off by the godawfull Barry Manilow type sleeve) and "Limite
      > Das Aguas" from 76 are well worth looking for.
      > Partly written & arranged by Lobo, Quarteto Em Cy's selftitled album from 72
      > is uneven, but does include two classic tracks in "Tudo Que Voc� Podia Ser"
      > and "Cantoria" and is therefore very worthwhile.
      >
      > Per-Christian
      >
      >
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
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      >
      > Message: 8
      > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:51:16 +0000
      > From: lmc <postmaster@...>
      > Subject: Re: LMC web site
      >
      > >From: Lillevn <lillevan@...-berlin.de>
      > >
      > >lmc wrote:
      >
      > >> the
      > >> only (ever) concert by Pierre Henry -
      > >
      > > ????????????
      >
      > Sorry, bit of anglophilia in my e.
      > Shoudl have said: In Britain, in recent memory. Hard in the thick of things
      > to remember there's a world outside the maze of dealing with venues, grant
      > forms, English-language press and so on. No time to enter into the
      > dicussion about What Is Experimental - let the audience decide; while the
      > English Arts Council (just for the record) have flatly turned down our
      > application for funding for Pierre's epic remixdown.
      > Ed
      >
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      > London Musicians' Collective Limited
      > 3.6 Lafone House, 11-13 Leathermarket Street, London SE1 3HN
      > Tel: 0171 403 1922
      > Fax: 0171 403 1880
      > http://www.l-m-c.org.uk
      > ---------------------------------------------
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      >
      > Message: 9
      > Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 00:29:25 +0100
      > From: "Nigel Ayers" <nigel.ayers@...>
      > Subject: DJs say you're doing it
      >
      > Taylor McLaren writes: "when has Bryn's music ever been considered to be
      > experimental in any way?"
      >
      > The answer to that is until recent years when his music began to be
      > appreciated by ravers and chill-outers.
      >
      > Wherever you went Muslimgauze records were always to be found in the
      > "experimental" sections under "M". I know this because my own records were
      > filed close by them under "N" and I was signed to the same labels,
      > Soleilmoon and Staalplaat. Sometimes you might find Bryn's stuff in the
      > "world music" section, if there was one.
      >
      > Aside from that, a track by Muslimgauze appeared on the Elephant Table
      > "difficult listening" compilation album in the early 80s. Wire readers
      > wouldn't find it all that difficult - but that's what it said on the sleeve.
      >
      >
      > I like some of Bryn's music despite being irritated by its sameyness, or do
      > we call it "consistency"?
      >
      > I interviewed him for Network News back in 1990 when his records were
      > allegedly blacklisted in the USA because of his support for the PLO.
      >
      > As far as his music-as-propaganda goes,
      > I would agree with him to a degree about the selective and usually
      > disasterous nature of USA interference in world affairs.
      >
      > What I found problematic then as now is the reactionary motivation he had
      > for his music, and his support for middle eastern theocrats who are
      > responsible for various unpleasantness that is taking place outside of this
      > cosy little community.
      >
      > Anyone out there who prefers music to product -
      >
      > I have two unplayed vinyl copies of the 1982(?) Recloose Organisation "New
      > Internationalist" picture disc LP -featuring an excellent Muslimgauze track,
      > which I am willing to sell for as high price as I can get - all profits to
      > Kosovo refugees.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Nocturnal Emissions Web Site:
      > http://business.virgin.net/nigel.ayers/index.html
      >
      >
      >
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      >
      > Message: 10
      > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 16:04:10 -0700
      > From: Lillev�n <lillevan@...-berlin.de>
      > Subject: Re: LMC web site
      >
      > lmc wrote:
      > >
      > > From: lmc <postmaster@...>
      > >
      > > >From: Lillevn <lillevan@...-berlin.de>
      > > >
      > > >lmc wrote:
      > >
      > > >> the
      > > >> only (ever) concert by Pierre Henry -
      > > >
      > > > ????????????
      > >
      > > Sorry, bit of anglophilia in my e.
      > > Shoudl have said: In Britain, in recent memory.
      > > Ed
      >
      > pierre henry played here in berlin last autumn, very well received
      >
      > sorry to hear of arts council�s decision, good luck with your event.
      >
      > L.
      >
      >
      > --
      > ***************************
      > Regards,
      > Lillev�n
      > RechenZentrum Elektronauten
      > ***************************
      >
      >
      >
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      >
      > Message: 11
      > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 11:23:33 -0300
      > From: "Andrew Comming" <andy@...>
      > Subject: Re: Tropicalia recommendations
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > On 06/04/99, at 13:26, Per-Christian Hille wrote:
      >
      > >better bet is Arnaldo Baptista's "Singin Alone" from 1982, dark,moody and
      > >classic. (His "Loki" from 1974 lingers between dodgy and crap by the way)
      > >
      > ,
      > I find the title track on Arnaldo Baptista's "Loki" wonderful,a very moody and dark bossa nova.
      > I'm also looking out for his "Arnaldo e a Patrulha do Espaco"
      >
      > I also love Tom Ze's self titled album from 1973 on Continental,which is full of slow ,soft , slightly surreal
      > sambas
      >
      > Whats the deal with Continental in the 70's,are they Brazils version of Harvest??
      >
      > and what about Ney Matogrosso's career after Secos e molhados,he made quite a few albums
      > are they any good?
      >
      > regards
      > Andy
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      >
      > Message: 12
      > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 10:32:55 -0400
      > From: Burton Thomas <thomasbw@...>
      > Subject: Re: DJs say you're doing it
      >
      > Nigel:
      >
      > Blacklisted by whom? I know you used the word "alledgedly" but I can't
      > imagine who would have even known of Muslimgauze, in 1990 here in the US,
      > who had enough "clout" to put him on any list, let alone a blacklist
      > (actually I can for the latter).
      >
      > Just curious.
      >
      > At 12:29 AM 5/7/99 +0100, you wrote:
      > >From: "Nigel Ayers" <nigel.ayers@...>
      > >
      > >I interviewed him for Network News back in 1990 when his records were
      > >allegedly blacklisted in the USA because of his support for the PLO.
      > >
      >
      >
      >
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      >
      > Message: 13
      > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 16:17:08 +1040
      > From: John Everall <john.sentrax@...>
      > Subject: Re: DJs say you're doing it
      >
      > Nigel Ayers wrote:
      > >
      > > From: "Nigel Ayers" <nigel.ayers@...>
      >
      > > Wherever you went Muslimgauze records were always to be found in the
      > > "experimental" sections under "M". I know this because my own records were
      > > filed close by them under "N" and I was signed to the same labels,
      > > Soleilmoon and Staalplaat. Sometimes you might find Bryn's stuff in the
      > > "world music" section, if there was one.
      >
      > Agreed. It is difficult. Whenever I come to fill-in the "File Under" section of a One-Sheet
      > for distributors I am forced to resort to using such descriptions. I suppose it is
      > unavoidable: indie isn't independent, ambient is rarely ambient, "experimental" is rarely
      > *experimental*. But it does help one to locate a specific CD in a record shop.....
      >
      > > Aside from that, a track by Muslimgauze appeared on the Elephant Table
      > > "difficult listening" compilation album in the early 80s. Wire readers
      > > wouldn't find it all that difficult - but that's what it said on the sleeve.
      >
      > I recall Mensa member (absolutely true!), Gary Bushell, saying this was the worst album of
      > all time! I wonder if him & Dave Henderson came to blows over this is the Sounds office...
      >
      >
      > > I interviewed him for Network News back in 1990 when his records were
      > > allegedly blacklisted in the USA because of his support for the PLO.
      >
      > You should have given him a copy of the Miners benefit album you released. I recall getting
      > a letter from him at the time of the Miners Strike asking how I could support "Moscow/KGB
      > funded Red Scum such as Scargill & the Miners". And a letter in current Wire praises him for
      > his contribution to art & politics! I sent Bryn a reply at the time asking how he could
      > support CIA-funded anti-Soviet Muhjahadeen (sp?) *freedom fighters* in Afghanistan who took
      > a delight in killing and skinning sympathetic Western journalists & for good measure I told
      > him I was Gay AND Jewish as a wind-up. Never heard from him since....
      >
      > > What I found problematic then as now is the reactionary motivation he had
      > > for his music, and his support for middle eastern theocrats who are
      > > responsible for various unpleasantness that is taking place outside of this
      > > cosy little community.
      >
      > Ever noticed that the folks on the photo of his first 12" were actually American pro-Nazi
      > sympathisers who were tried after the War. Bryn apparently couldn't see their crime. Maybe
      > the accusations of anti-semitism were true after all. I think Brian Duguid mentioned
      > anti-semitic statements made by Bryn in EST. Not that I wish to speak ill of the dead, just
      > that I feel Bryn Jones held some pretty repulsive views....
      >
      >
      > John.
      >
      >
      >
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      >
      > Message: 14
      > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:03:30 -0400
      > From: "Davis Ford" <forddavi@...>
      > Subject: Re: DJs say you're doing it
      >
      > > Nigel:
      > >
      > > Blacklisted by whom? I know you used the word "alledgedly" but I can't
      > > imagine who would have even known of Muslimgauze, in 1990 here in the US,
      > > who had enough "clout" to put him on any list, let alone a blacklist
      > > (actually I can for the latter).
      > >
      > > Just curious.
      >
      > Yeah, I'm curious about this too. I wasn't listening to Muslimgauze in
      > 1990, so I can't recall if I *did* or *did not* see any of his records
      > around then, but I find it odd that he would be blacklisted. The only
      > censorship the US has really seen has been through Tipper Gore and the PMRC,
      > and I they were more concerned with rap, punk, and metal artists of the day
      > (actually they blacklisted tons of other popular music records, too.) Their
      > censorship was based almost entirely on language, sex, and violence. I
      > can't think of anything they mentioned that had political motivations.
      > Incidentally, did anyone else catch that story in The Onion about "Tipper
      > Gore Jerking Arithmetically at Local Ball"? I can't find it anymore. I
      > say, if you haven't already, do yourself a favor and check out The Onion.
      > www.theonion.com The new book they just released is probably the funniest
      > thing I have ever witnessed.
      >
      > davis
      >
      >
      >
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      >
      > Message: 15
      > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 11:36:47 -0400 (EDT)
      > From: "R. Lim" <rlim@...>
      > Subject: Re: DJs say you're doing it
      >
      > On Tue, 6 Apr 1999, Davis Ford wrote:
      >
      > > Yeah, I'm curious about this too. I wasn't listening to Muslimgauze in
      > > 1990, so I can't recall if I *did* or *did not* see any of his records
      > > around then, but I find it odd that he would be blacklisted. The only
      > > censorship the US has really seen has been through Tipper Gore and the PMRC,
      > > and I they were more concerned with rap, punk, and metal artists of the day
      >
      > I think they were more concerned about artists people heard of or could
      > actually buy at normal record stores (Wendy O' Williams, RIP). Their
      > tactic was to exert pressure on the major labels through popular
      > protest/lobbying- their lasting legacy is the "Explicit Content" warning
      > label (and perhaps clean versions of popular rap albums- the two are sort
      > of interchangable to me).
      >
      > In order for any real kind of govt (or even industry) sponsored censorship
      > to have kicked in, somebody would have had to noticed and the material
      > would have to be deemed obscene or otherwise detrimental to society. I
      > somehow doubt that Mgauze would have fit either bill.
      >
      > If I remember correctly, Muslimgauze records (as a general class of
      > things) weren't all that hard to come by in 1990. Though I guess you
      > probably would've had to look in the "goth," "industrial" or
      > "Palestine-friendly" section (depending on your local buyer).
      >
      > just a PG kid in an X-rated society,
      >
      > -rob
      >
      >
      >
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      >
      > Message: 16
      > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 08:52:09 -0700
      > From: Matthew Weber <mweber@...>
      > Subject: Re: DJs say you're doing it
      >
      > At 04:17 PM 04/06/1999 +1040, you wrote:
      > >From: John Everall <john.sentrax@...>
      > >
      > >Nigel Ayers wrote:
      >
      > >> Aside from that, a track by Muslimgauze appeared on the Elephant Table
      > >> "difficult listening" compilation album in the early 80s. Wire readers
      > >> wouldn't find it all that difficult - but that's what it said on the
      > sleeve.
      > >
      > >I recall Mensa member (absolutely true!), Gary Bushell, saying this was
      > the worst album of
      > >all time! I wonder if him & Dave Henderson came to blows over this is the
      > Sounds office...
      >
      > I don't think it's that bad--there's good stuff (the NWW track e.g.) and
      > bad (Bushido?!), like any other comp. I remember that Wm. Bennett reviewed
      > it in a KATA and blasted Dave Henderson with both barrels...
      >
      > >> What I found problematic then as now is the reactionary motivation he had
      > >> for his music, and his support for middle eastern theocrats who are
      > >> responsible for various unpleasantness that is taking place outside of this
      > >> cosy little community.
      > >
      > >Ever noticed that the folks on the photo of his first 12" were actually
      > American pro-Nazi
      > >sympathisers who were tried after the War. Bryn apparently couldn't see
      > their crime. Maybe
      > >the accusations of anti-semitism were true after all. I think Brian Duguid
      > mentioned
      > >anti-semitic statements made by Bryn in EST. Not that I wish to speak ill
      > of the dead, just
      > >that I feel Bryn Jones held some pretty repulsive views....
      >
      > This isn't an exact quote (I don't have the printed material close by), but
      > Jones was asked whether he would ever consider talking to an Israeli, and
      > his reply was something like "No, I wouldn't, they're all horrible people,
      > so no." Reading between the lines, the connection between his detestation
      > of "KGB/Red scum" and the Israelis, and his espousal of pro-fascist symps
      > seems fairly clear.
      >
      >
      > Matthew Weber
      > Circulation Supervisor
      > Music Library
      > University of California, Berkeley
      >
      > Malt does more than Milton can
      > To justify God's ways to man.
      > Alfred Edward Housman, "Terence, This Is Stupid Stuff...", 1896
      >
      >
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      >
      > Message: 17
      > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:01:19 +0100
      > From: Andy Wilson <AndyW@...>
      > Subject: Re: DJs say you're doing it
      >
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      > > Reading between the lines, the connection between
      > > his detestation
      > > of "KGB/Red scum" and the Israelis, and his espousal of
      > > pro-fascist symps
      > > seems fairly clear.
      >
      > er... you've lost me. Israelis are KGB / Red Scum ? or what ? and was
      > jones actually a mujahadeen supporter in Afganistan ?
      >
      > seems to me from this debate that his politics were just extreme
      > palestinian nationalism and, in essence, not so different from extreme
      > Israeli nationalism / zionism....... *formally* speaking they're weird
      > mirror images of one another, though in 99% of situations you'd find
      > me marching on the side of palestinian nationalism while laughing at
      > the ideology.
      >
      > in all, i would be very careful before making such easy equations as:
      > extreme anti-zionism -> proto-fascism
      >
      > ASIDE: re. the elephant table lp, i remember interviewing nigel ayers
      > and graham from SPK in the early eighties and both being rather angry
      > about the elitism implicit in anyones labelling their own work as
      > 'difficult'....
      >
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      >
      >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: Matthew Weber [mailto:mweber@...]
      > > Sent: 06 April 1999 16:52
      > > To: thewire@onelist.com
      > > Subject: [thewire] Re: DJs say you're doing it
      > >
      > >
      > > From: Matthew Weber <mweber@...>
      > >
      > > At 04:17 PM 04/06/1999 +1040, you wrote:
      > > >From: John Everall <john.sentrax@...>
      > > >
      > > >Nigel Ayers wrote:
      > >
      > > >> Aside from that, a track by Muslimgauze appeared on the
      > > Elephant Table
      > > >> "difficult listening" compilation album in the early 80s.
      > > Wire readers
      > > >> wouldn't find it all that difficult - but that's what it
      > > said on the
      > > sleeve.
      > > >
      > > >I recall Mensa member (absolutely true!), Gary Bushell,
      > > saying this was
      > > the worst album of
      > > >all time! I wonder if him & Dave Henderson came to blows
      > > over this is the
      > > Sounds office...
      > >
      > > I don't think it's that bad--there's good stuff (the NWW
      > > track e.g.) and
      > > bad (Bushido?!), like any other comp. I remember that Wm.
      > > Bennett reviewed
      > > it in a KATA and blasted Dave Henderson with both barrels...
      > >
      > > >> What I found problematic then as now is the reactionary
      > > motivation he had
      > > >> for his music, and his support for middle eastern theocrats who
      > are
      > > >> responsible for various unpleasantness that is taking
      > > place outside of this
      > > >> cosy little community.
      > > >
      > > >Ever noticed that the folks on the photo of his first 12"
      > > were actually
      > > American pro-Nazi
      > > >sympathisers who were tried after the War. Bryn apparently
      > > couldn't see
      > > their crime. Maybe
      > > >the accusations of anti-semitism were true after all. I
      > > think Brian Duguid
      > > mentioned
      > > >anti-semitic statements made by Bryn in EST. Not that I wish
      > > to speak ill
      > > of the dead, just
      > > >that I feel Bryn Jones held some pretty repulsive views....
      > >
      > > This isn't an exact quote (I don't have the printed material
      > > close by), but
      > > Jones was asked whether he would ever consider talking to an
      > > Israeli, and
      > > his reply was something like "No, I wouldn't, they're all
      > > horrible people,
      > > so no." Reading between the lines, the connection between
      > > his detestation
      > > of "KGB/Red scum" and the Israelis, and his espousal of
      > > pro-fascist symps
      > > seems fairly clear.
      > >
      > >
      > > Matthew Weber
      > > Circulation Supervisor
      > > Music Library
      > > University of California, Berkeley
      > >
      > > Malt does more than Milton can
      > > To justify God's ways to man.
      > > Alfred Edward Housman, "Terence, This Is Stupid Stuff...", 1896
      > >
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      >
      > Message: 18
      > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 17:13:18 +0100
      > From: Andy Wilson <AndyW@...>
      > Subject: Re: Anarcho-noise annoys.....
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      > philip rhoads wrote:
      >
      > > it has long been a wish of
      > > mine to publish
      > > a book dedicated to those musicians/artists whose whole aesthetic
      > was
      > > motivated by political theory, and not by music
      >
      > i think i know what you mean, yet i wonder how easy it would be to
      > draw the line. i've just finished reading eddie prevosts book 'No
      > SOund is Innocent' and i'm not sure anyone could determine how much
      > AMM were driven by aesthetic concerns and how by the political because
      > - - in their case, and from a certain point of view, in everyone's case
      > - - these may be the same things ... ?
      >
      > of course, if you meant 'musicians who care about politics but not
      > music' then you may have defined the crass 'aesthetic' as well as
      > describing a way to carve out an audience for yourself as a musician
      > without having to do the difficult bit of thinking about your own
      > music *as music* and it's relationship to politics.....
      >
      > - ------------------------------------
      > Andy Wilson
      > Technical Director
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      >
      >
      >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: philip rhoads [mailto:philip@...]
      > > Sent: 05 April 1999 18:21
      > > To: thewire@onelist.com
      > > Subject: [thewire] Re: Anarcho-noise annoys.....
      > >
      > >
      > > From: "philip rhoads" <philip@...>
      > >
      > > Aaah those good ole days when going to a crass gig was like a
      > > scene from the
      > > life of Brian ("fuck off, I'm not the messiah" "But how shall
      > > we fuck off oh
      > > great one?"). I'm glad to say that I was never one of those
      > humourless
      > > po-faced bastards, although the political angle influenced me
      > > hugely and
      > > continues to do so to this day. crass and their
      > > contemporaries taught me a
      > > hell of a lot more than anyone else in those days. The remix
      > > of reality
      > > asylum sounds great, I'm sure Penny will be kind to you regarding
      > its
      > > release. My fave part of the book is the story of Eve or Joy
      > > going to a
      > > feminist meeting....
      > >
      > > I also have been looking at early 80s indie charts lately (im
      > > moving house
      > > and so my loft has had to be cleared out) and it's true how
      > > exciting they
      > > used to be - and so independent!
      > >
      > > Was never a big fan of 'barbed why halo', though I've used
      > > the looped scream
      > > at the end in a couple of music pieces over the years.
      > >
      > > Good luck with the retrospective, it has long been a wish of
      > > mine to publish
      > > a book dedicated to those musicians/artists whose whole aesthetic
      > was
      > > motivated by political theory, and not by music - one day
      > > I'll do it but
      > > it's hard finding the time whilst freelancing.
      > >
      > > See you later...
      > >
      > > Philip
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: John Everall <john.sentrax@...>
      > > To: thewire@onelist.com <thewire@onelist.com>
      > > Date: 02 April 1999 11:01
      > > Subject: [thewire] Anarcho-noise annoys.....
      > >
      > >
      > > >From: John Everall <john.sentrax@...>
      > > >
      > > >philip rhoads wrote:
      > > >>
      > > >> From: "philip rhoads" <philip@...>
      > > >>
      > > >> I listened to 'Hear nothing....' and 'why' (especially my
      > > favourite 'aint
      > > no
      > > >> feeble bastard') this morning as I was in that kind of
      > > mood and, yeah,
      > > they
      > > >> are great. Peni were certainly brilliant, tho' I lost
      > > touch after the
      > > >> majestic 'cacophony'. Have you heard the two albums since?
      > > Are they worth
      > > >> investigating? I have been looking for Blinkos' book ever
      > > since I heard
      > > the
      > > >> selections for this years' booker prize and they mentioned
      > > the similar
      > > >> sounding Nicholas Blincoe. Naturally, I did a huge double
      > > take and was
      > > >> severely disappointed to find that it wasn't the same Nick.
      > > >
      > > >"Ain't No Feeble Bastard" has such a killer bassline - I
      > > love that record.
      > > >The later Peni stuff doesn't come up to scratch & Blinko's
      > > vocals no longer
      > > have that edge. I
      > > >know Nick was in a mental hospital for quite some time (diagnosed
      > > schizophrenic, AFAIK - he
      > > >believed he was Pope Adrian The Sixth! - I suppose he should
      > > have got a
      > > card from Robert Anton
      > > >Wilson like I did). He seems to be making quite a name for
      > > himself as an
      > > *Outsider Artist* (stay
      > > >away Jarvis Cocker!) & is represented by Henry Boxer, who
      > > also deals with
      > > Grosz's work: always
      > > >considered Blinko's work to be similar to in spirit to the
      > > daDa pugilist's.
      > > Blinko also did the
      > > >artwork for Coil's "Unnatural History III".
      > > >
      > > >> I bought the Penny Rimbaud the other day which is an
      > > excellent little
      > > read,
      > > >> didn't tell me much that I didn't already know but gave me some
      > > interesting
      > > >> insights into the reality inside of crass (sample quote
      > > "this girl was
      > > >> asking about my drumming, I was staring at her mates'
      > > tits" - who'd have
      > > >> thought that any of the feminist men in crass would do anything
      > so
      > > terribly
      > > >> sexist!!!?!?!?!?) as well as more insights to the scary
      > > truth about Wally
      > > >> Hope. Worth investigating.
      > > >
      > > >I don't think Crass were as po-faced or humourless as a
      > > large proportion of
      > > their audience. I
      > > >recall somebody being attacked for eating a packet of
      > > Walker's Beef & Onion
      > > crisps! The irony is
      > > >that they are actually vegan! I liked Penny's story about a
      > > young punk
      > > singing "So What?" to a
      > > >vicar on York railway station & receiving a jail sentence.
      > > Them were the
      > > days, lad! I was looking
      > > >at indie charts in NME, etc in the early eighties. Crass,
      > > TG, Cabs, Dead
      > > Kennedys, etc. What went
      > > >wrong?
      > > >
      > > >The Wire are going to let me review the book. For a slightly
      > > critical view
      > > of Penny's take on the
      > > >Wally Hope affair, see Nigel Ayers' "Where's Wally?" which
      > > can be found at
      > > his web site.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >> Incidentally, what about Hit Parade? The only sighting of total
      > > electronica
      > > >> in the crass stable, years ahead of their time with
      > > samples and remixing.
      > > >> And D n V? More samples (on the album) and an interesting
      > > concept using
      > > just
      > > >> drums and vocals - their 'Snare' 12" was brilliant,
      > > especially 'please,
      > > when
      > > >> im dead'.
      > > >
      > > >D & V were excellent. Annie Anxiety's "Barbed Wire Halo" was
      > > wonderful also
      > > (shameless plug time:
      > > >there will be an album released in the not-too-distant
      > > future by Alogon - a
      > > project involving
      > > >myself & Teresa Mills of Tactile, Jim Plotkin, Annie
      > > Bandez-Anxiety, Karl
      > > Blake. This was
      > > >recorded in New York a couple of years ago. Would have been
      > released
      > > earlier, but Plotkin stole
      > > >the masters!).
      > > >
      > > >> The idea of wire being
      > > >> interested............................................nah!
      > > >
      > > >Me & Joe Banks are going to do a major retrospective on Crass. We
      > are
      > > discussing this with a
      > > >number of publications. Hopefully somebody will bite & Penny
      > > is keen on the
      > > idea....
      > > >
      > > >Tactile have also remixed "Reality Asylum" - I am hoping
      > > that Penny will
      > > let me release this (an
      > > >anti-millenium single, perhaps?)
      > > >
      > > >New Tactile CD "Borderlands" is released next week. Limited
      > > to 500 copies
      > > (131 with an exclusive
      > > >and original drawing by Teresa Mills). John Balance was the
      > > guest vocalist
      > > on this release. For
      > > >more info see Sentrax site (URL below)
      > > >
      > > >John Everall (Pope Several I of the P.O.E.E.)
      > > >
      > > >http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~john.sentrax/
      > > >
      > > >(there are a number of Little Annie's paintings on my site)
      > > >
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      >
      > Message: 19
      > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 09:33:53 -0700
      > From: Matthew Weber <mweber@...>
      > Subject: Re: DJs say you're doing it
      >
      > At 05:01 PM 04/06/1999 +0100, you wrote:
      > >From: Andy Wilson <AndyW@...>
      > >
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      > >> Reading between the lines, the connection between
      > >> his detestation
      > >> of "KGB/Red scum" and the Israelis, and his espousal of
      > >> pro-fascist symps
      > >> seems fairly clear.
      > >
      > >er... you've lost me. Israelis are KGB / Red Scum ? or what ?
      >
      > To certain far-right extremists, they are linked as part of the worldwide
      > Jewish conspiracy: in their view it was the Jews who were responsible for
      > the Russian Revolution and the establishment of Communist totalitarianism
      > in the East.
      >
      > >and was
      > >jones actually a mujahadeen supporter in Afganistan ?
      >
      > I don't think I addressed this, but as far as I am aware Bryn Jones never
      > wore any army's uniform.
      >
      > >seems to me from this debate that his politics were just extreme
      > >palestinian nationalism and, in essence, not so different from extreme
      > >Israeli nationalism / zionism....... *formally* speaking they're weird
      > >mirror images of one another, though in 99% of situations you'd find
      > >me marching on the side of palestinian nationalism while laughing at
      > >the ideology.
      >
      > I'm not a fan of either extremity. The extreme Zionists are just as bad as
      > far as I'm concerned.
      >
      > >in all, i would be very careful before making such easy equations as:
      > >extreme anti-zionism -> proto-fascism
      >
      > I think *theocracy* -> proto-fascism is an obvious, never mind easy,
      > equation (I have no problem calling Meir Kahane a fascist either). I'm
      > sure you're aware of the neo-Nazi trope equating the Red Menace with the
      > Zionist Occupation Government; that's what I was alluding to in my earlier
      > message.
      >
      > I'm sure I've only managed to muddy the waters further...
      >
      >
      >
      > Matthew Weber
      > Circulation Supervisor
      > Music Library
      > University of California, Berkeley
      >
      > Malt does more than Milton can
      > To justify God's ways to man.
      > Alfred Edward Housman, "Terence, This Is Stupid Stuff...", 1896
      >
      >
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
      >
      > Message: 20
      > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 19:06:59 +1040
      > From: John Everall <john.sentrax@...>
      > Subject: Re: DJs say you're doing it
      >
      > Andy Wilson wrote:
      >
      > >and was
      > > jones actually a mujahadeen supporter in Afganistan ?
      >
      > According to the limited correspodence I had with him in the early
      > eighties, yes, I would say he undoubtedly was.
      >
      > > in all, i would be very careful before making such easy equations as:
      > > extreme anti-zionism -> proto-fascism
      >
      > The original reference was to Jones' anti-semitism, not simply to his
      > anti-zionist stance. Vanessa Redgrave supported the PLO & made
      > anti-zionist statements, although, unlike Jones, was careful to distance
      > her political viewpoint from a racially-based blanket denunciation of
      > Jewish people generally.However, I never heard her refer to striking
      > Miners as "Red Scum" - although the less said about the risible RCP, the
      > better....
      >
      > > ASIDE: re. the elephant table lp, i remember interviewing nigel ayers
      > > and graham from SPK in the early eighties and both being rather angry
      > > about the elitism implicit in anyones labelling their own work as
      > > 'difficult'....
      >
      > Can't say that I blame them.......
      >
      > John Everall.
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      >
      > Message: 21
      > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 19:25:14 +1040
      > From: John Everall <john.sentrax@...>
      > Subject: Re: Anarcho-noise annoys.....
      >
      > Andy Wilson wrote:
      > >
      > > From: Andy Wilson <AndyW@...>
      > >
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      > > philip rhoads wrote:
      > >
      > > > it has long been a wish of
      > > > mine to publish
      > > > a book dedicated to those musicians/artists whose whole aesthetic
      > > was
      > > > motivated by political theory, and not by music
      > >
      > > i think i know what you mean, yet i wonder how easy it would be to
      > > draw the line. i've just finished reading eddie prevosts book 'No
      > > SOund is Innocent' and i'm not sure anyone could determine how much
      > > AMM were driven by aesthetic concerns and how by the political because
      > > - - in their case, and from a certain point of view, in everyone's case
      > > - - these may be the same things ... ?
      >
      >
      > As much as I appreciate AMM & Cardew's subsequent ideological efforts, the fact that they,
      > like Chris Cutler, et al, were doomed to appeal to a cloistered elite (University Maoist
      > discussion groups, etc) was an inevitable consequence of their modus operandi (alright, I
      > know they supported The Who once, but that was an aberration). Crass, by sharp contrast,
      > directly affected the lives of numerous *ordinary* people (apologies for using that term). I
      > knew ex-Skins, ex-football hooligans, etc who were profoundly affected by Crass. And you
      > don't see many of them at an AMM concert (myself excluded).
      >
      > John.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > _______________________________________________________________________________
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      >
      > Message: 22
      > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 21:09:02 +0200
      > From: "GASK" <gask@...>
      > Subject: Re: Digest Number 303
      >
      >
      > >Music has (sadly) bceome divided into two types -
      > >Product and real music (although ther are overlaps)
      > >not one of us is going to extol the virtues of Robbie
      > >[williams] althoguh I am sure some of us have his records.
      > >we can all fight about how exclusive we are but at the end
      > >of the day we are all part of the backside of the commercial
      > >msuic scene where Real music is made. It has been very
      > >strange joining this list - I have read the wire since it came
      > >out (and still have most of the copies) and not ONE of
      > >you is the same as me in your tastes. The thing that
      > >sets us apart is we like Music not Product. Don't
      > >lose sight of that - that is why the wire is different
      > >and that is what it supports
      >
      > This isn't true. I love music as Product.
      >
      >
      >
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      > Message: 23
      > Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 21:46:02 +0100
      > From: "Steven Wainwright" <rien@...>
      > Subject: Cult over content/Eureka
      >
      > "What O'Rourke cultists will make of this flagrantly approachable music is
      > difficult to know..." Andy Medhurst reviewing 'Eureka' by Jim O'Rourke, The
      > Wire 182
      >
      > I smell potential departure points for discussion here. Firstly, the notion
      > of cult over content, and secondly to address the question posed by Mr
      > Medhurst.
      >
      > Like any other reasonably sane individual, I tend to shy away from fan
      > worship and discography completism, but very occasionally a musician comes
      > along who intrigues my soundworld to the extent of obsession. Past examples
      > of this have included Frank Zappa and Steve Reich. Jim O'Rourke has been a
      > recent exception to this rule. This has its obvious roots in my appreciation
      > of his music, but also bewilderment at the bulk of the man's recorded output
      > - it is economically, physically and mentally impossible to consider
      > accumulating his works, especially given the vast range of projects and the
      > difficulty in obtaining key releases. But still my intrigue pushes me on. Is
      > it in these circumstances that the 'cultist' is born? Are there any Sun Ra,
      > Eugene Chadbourne or Muslimgauze (etc etc) enthusiasts who suffer this same
      > sad fate?
      >
      > Mark Williamson touched upon this earlier today by stating that the belief
      > in 'Music over Product' binds us Wire list people together. Partially true,
      > but can you deny the pleasures for the music enthusiast in finding a rare
      > and important record by a treasured artist, whatever its potential content?
      > J O'R records have provided me with such moments in recent years - locating
      > the 'Scend' CD, Gastr's Table of the Elements 7" and the 'Disengage' double
      > CD have all reduced me to a quivering wreck in the otherwise cool and
      > collected ambience of the alt.record shop. But how have these
      > emotionally-charged purchases affected my listening objectivity? Am I no
      > more than an alt.music marketing wet dream? Would I go and buy a crate of
      > Pepsi if it had coupons for a 4-hour Jim O'Rourke musique concrete Edison
      > cylinder?
      >
      > As for 'Eureka', the jury is out. 'Bad Timing' almost caught me out - I was
      > on the point of returning to the record shop barking obscenities about
      > filing incompetence. But 'Eureka' is a different kettle of worms altogether.
      > I've been singing 'Women of the World' in the shower for a month; I marvel
      > at the shimmering production and arrangements; I recommend it
      > whole-heartedly to friends; I've enjoyed seeing the mainstream press
      > coverage, however inept (first prize going to Select magazine, who informs
      > its readers that it is J O'R's first solo album!)........but, will I ever
      > again be knocked over by a work as startlingly wonderful as 'The Harp
      > Factory on Lake Street'.
      >
      > Rant over. Sorry if this is an incoherant mess.
      > Steven
      >
      >
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      > Message: 24
      > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 14:26:32 -0700
      > From: Jason Witherspoon <arzachel@...>
      > Subject: Re: Tropicalia recommendations
      >
      > At 11:23 AM -0300 4/6/99, Andrew Comming wrote:
      > >and what about Ney Matogrosso's career after Secos e molhados,he
      > >made quite a few albums
      > >are they any good?
      > >
      > >regards
      > >Andy
      >
      > Glad you asked. Detecting a pattern, I tried
      > http://www.neymatogrosso.com.br , & sure enough, it routes to his
      > official site. I'd trade all those Java animations for fully working
      > RA files on the *second* Secos e Molhados record (yes, there's the
      > s/t from '73, & another s/t from '74-- another one for the shortlist).
      >
      > >From what I can tell, Jo�o Ricardo was the genius behind SeM--
      > however, listening to the (working) RA's on Ney's site, his first
      > solo record from '75, �gua do C�u-P�ssaro, is sounding pretty fucking
      > compelling. I think it's a sharp step down from there, though....
      >
      >
      >
      > Jason Witherspoon
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      > Message: 25
      > Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 13:37:13 -0700
      > From: Jason Witherspoon <arzachel@...>
      > Subject: Re: Tropicalia recommendations
      >
      > At 1:26 PM +0200 4/6/99, Per-Christian Hille wrote:
      > >Although Rita Lee's 2 first solo efforts ("Build Up" and "Hoje e o primeiro
      > >dia do resto da sua vida") are backed by Mutantes, they're far from amazing.
      > >It's Rita Lee the artist picking up where "Rita Lee" the Mutantes song left
      > >off. So depending on what aspect of Mutantes you like best... (But hey, had
      > >I found vinyl originals at a decent price, I'd pick them up in a flash). A
      > >better bet is Arnaldo Baptista's "Singin Alone" from 1982, dark,moody and
      > >classic. (His "Loki" from 1974 lingers between dodgy and crap by the way)
      >
      > Wow-- thanks for the tips!
      >
      > The backing band on that Milton record (Milagre dos Peixas) is Som
      > Imaginaire-- there was a three cd "wallet" recently reissued by
      > Phillips (I think) which I think I blew it by not picking up (all the
      > wallets seem to've evaporated-- if anyone knows otherwise, please get
      > in touch). Anyone heard their stuff? I got a late 80's Wagner Tiso
      > (SI keyboardist) record which is interesting, if too
      > composed/formalized for my tastes.
      >
      > Other Milton albums you really can't be w/o include '75's Minas &
      > '72's Clube da Esquina (there are those who will tell you '78's CdE
      > v.2 is superior; I'm def. not one of them).
      >
      > Also, I've stumbled upon a Raul Seixas (yup,
      > http://www.raulseixas.com.br ) record which is actually pretty damn
      > good. I'd previously heard his 4th record, Gita, & unfairly judged
      > his output on it's Jovem Guard Elvisisms. The previous record,
      > Krig-ha, bandolo! is actually quite cool. I'm now requesting further
      > pointers, but as this one's also apparently his most popular, it
      > might be the peak....
      >
      >
      >
      > Jason Witherspoon
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