11274Re: PLEASE READ
- Mar 29, 2001Yeah, I see your point. I should have made myself a little clearer
though. From what I have seen there was a significant shift away from
vinyl at the end of the 80s, which looks like it was based on a
policy which swept across the music industry. Now, what I mean is, I
think a lot of people in the underground (and generally on the
fringes) went on releasing vinyl instead of cds, for a number of
reasons. For example, in terms of practicality, I know that smaller
labels and D.I.Y operators may have found the new technologies too
expensive to invest in, but I think there was a definite cultural
reaction. The most explicit example I can think of is when the San
Diego band Drive Like Jehu were (if I remember correctly) put under
pressure by their record company to release their new album on CD,
which they did, but with the words 'cds really fuckin' blow' printed
on the cds, a protest of sorts.
However, I think there has been a significant shift in recent years,
which can also be traced back to many possible causes. For example,
vinyl has seen a resurgence in mass culture in general due to the
growth of the cult of the DJ--teenage kids get decks instead of
electric guitars nowadays. Off the back of this, and the growing
fragmentation of mass audiences, many of whom seep into underground
culture via leftfield hiphop, electronica and dance, it may be more
in the interests of the market to promote vinyl, at least to a
limited extent. Especially seeing the air of cool that people are
staring to reassociate with it in mass-culture.
Furthermore, in underground culture, I believe there has been a shift
away from vinyl culture recently, or at least efforts to place less
stress on it. Again, there are many factors that I can see that are
leading to this. For starts, it is becoming cheaper all the time to
release cds (and there are even some people selling their music
solely as an intangible object, via mp3's). Which leads to the fact
that much music is being made/consumed via computers (and thus cds
are an easier option than vinyl). So there's the
But also, there's a reaction, I feel, to the commodification of DJ
culture, and a feeling that music shouldn't need to be pinned down to
any one format. If certain types of music do this, it's a lot easier
to pigeonhole them, and not need to think about them anymore. But
working in different formats (given the history I've mentioned) helps
to keep things shifting, and evolving. So that even people involved
in the culture can't be too sure of themselves. So it's good in that
it helps to work against things like elitism, forces people to be
more open. And I think that's increasingly becoming a trend in these
leftfield/experimental/obsessive music cultures: openness,
enthiusiasm, diversity, etc. Even to the extent of blurring lines
between serious and pop, good and bad, etc. Just raising questions in
general. Hopefully, this will lead to the continuation and growth of
people making and listening to interesting, fresh, new music.
Sorry for going on...again.
--- In thewire@y..., simonsmith@r... wrote:
> The reality is that my local HMV will order for me virtually any
release I want on vinyl from the smallest label - so long as it's got
proper distribution - and, as the classified pages of Wire show every
month, there's no shortage of companies doing mail/internet order.
> In the past few weeks Virgin and HMV just down the road have
stocked vinyl releases from - off the top of my head - V/VM,
Stockhausen and Walkman, practically everything released on Domino or
Warp, all the Sonic Youth own-label releases, all the Soul Jazz
compilations on vinyl, lots of white label dance stuff, some decent
jazz reissues, Sigur Ros, every Godspeed release and some other
> OK, there's nothing too bleeding edge, but what do we want ... the
moon on a stick? I think it's pretty good going within the
constraints of a capitalist market economy. And no, I don't work for
them. Anyone who argues that there isn't ENOUGH music released - on
vinyl or otherwise - either has too much time on their hands or
doesn't look hard enough.
> AND, practically every hip-hop, new metal or US 'punk' release gets
mainstream vinyl distribution - surely a sign that the market-driven
approach adopted by the majors is flexible enough to incorporate a
bit of youthful dissent.
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> Subject: [thewire] Re: PLEASE READ
> Author: jeff_colley@y... at INTERNET
> Date: 28/03/2001 20:28
> Patrick said:
> One of the many reasons that I moved to the US. And that I try to
only buy stuff on vinyl.
> > And that I try to only buy stuff on vinyl.
> interesting. do you think that that's a reason why so much
underground/indie/experimental/etc stuff gets put out on vinyl, often
as the main or only format? as a reaction to record company control?
> if anyone has opinions on this i'd love to hear them
> --- In thewire@y..., Patrick Oliver <patrick_oliver@y...> wrote: >
Yes, its utterly evil and despicable. In fact, you'd
> > be even more disgusted by the price of cds in the UK. > Several
years ago Sir Leon Brittan led a parliamentary > inquiry into the
whole business of why the British
> > public should have to fork out more than anyone else > in the
world. The finding of the committee?
> > > British people pay more for EVERYTHING. > > So that explains it.
> > > One of the many reasons that I moved to the US. > > And that I
try to only buy stuff on vinyl.
> > > There, I said my piece...
> > > >
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