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Re: Theos-World RE: What Were They The Masters Of ? Parts III and IV together

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  • Steven Levey
    Dallas-Thanks for the advice upon presenting my ideas. But, the attempt to prove or disprove a work (The Mahatma Letters) based in such a tirade can only make
    Message 1 of 1 , Nov 26, 2002
      Dallas-Thanks for the advice upon presenting my ideas.
      But, the attempt to prove or disprove a work (The Mahatma Letters) based in such a tirade can only make this student think that one is protesting too much. There is a lineage of concept, to which the author of said tirade on "What were they Masters of", has shown. He dismisses The Mahatma letters on the basis that they break with this lineage. I believe an over-reverence for such a lineage shows the need to have an allegiance to those minds which have attempted to hold the human mind in general in the locks of orthodoxy. We know that more blood has been shed over this than any other cause, as it is today. The Mahatmas carefully, as does HPB, presents a reverence for that great lineage none as the Guruparampara Chain.
      The Mahatmas, mostly through HPB, have chosen carefully from such doctrines, amongst the forest of embellishments, to present to us what may be used well, and which verify a universal doctrine. This doctrine she calls the "Birth-right of Humanity". Whether or not one finds the truth in this must be based in each individual's capacity to activate these ideas with care and patience. This kind of process will end the "war in the breast" and that will bring peace in the "outer world".
      No, I am not overly judgmental of this gentlemen. I am simply defending the method which the Mahatmas have chosen and their right and in fact obligation to humanity to do so. However, the seeming fragmentation of their presentation is one good reason why the Mahatma Letters are not a good text book for study. As reminders of Them and the period in which they wrote, Yes, I agree, they hold that purpose.-Steve

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: dalval14@...
      Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 3:02 AM
      To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Theos-World RE: What Were They The Masters Of ? Parts III and IV together

      Nov 26 2002
      Dear Steven:

      Thanks for this copy for me to see ?

      It is easier to read if you could break up your message into
      paragraphs, and make the breaks when you change observations or
      subject. Do help.

      I don't make it a practice of quoting much from the MAHATMA LETTERS,
      as The SECRET DOCTRINE which came at the end of that correspondence in
      1888, sums up the Theosophical position, and sets Mr Sinnett's
      writings into their true perspective..

      I would never attribute motives to others as we do not know what they
      are. But we can ask questions.

      I find the MAHATMA LETTERS is most valuable in assisting devotees, and
      in setting the ethical and moral tone for aspirant We can all use
      that for self-examination. But the results are of course kept private
      as they concern ourselves only, as I see it..

      Exactly how things were, in H P B's time we can only guess at.

      I think you are right in the matter of the goals of those who follow
      the "eye" or the "heart" doctrines.

      Best wishes,



      -----Original Message-----
      From: Steven Levey [mailto:levey_steven@...]
      Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 12:41 PM
      To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: Theos-World What Were They The Masters Of ? Parts III and
      IV together

      Dear Sir-It is clear to me that your eruditneness regarding the
      lineage of
      these things is profound, and far beyond me as a student. But, I have
      something to say because I believe there are other perspectives (at
      0ne) to take regarding the Mahatmas that are as self-validating to
      student as your learned perspective is to you. I was a member of the
      T.S 30
      years ago and after a short stay of a couple of years, I joined the
      Lodge of Theosophists. As a student of ancient wisdom in general I
      a focus upon the concept of Mahatmas, primarily because the concept of
      Masters of Wisdom as brothers and sincere spiritual human beings who
      what they are through their own self-devised effort, is very
      motivating. And
      that is how they are characterized in true Theosophical writings. Now,
      may feel, that becoming "what they are" is erroneous and therefore
      certainly not be emulated. And, it seems, your decision would be made
      upon what you have perused of the "Mahatma Letters". Frankly I would
      actually felt similarly, if they were all I was steering my studies
      by. My
      study and the closest students within my circle of study feel as if
      (The Mahatma Letters)are nearly impossible to use since their context
      focus seemed to be to individual students. They are valid as
      productions of
      the beings attributed to, but their subject matter seemed to be
      limited to
      the student on the original receiving end. Therefore, and as such,
      should never have been published to a general audience. I read them
      they came my way as a member of the T.S. At that time, as I do when I
      something difficult to characterize or to practically use, I put them
      on a
      "back burner", so to speak. Upon spending many years studying HPB's
      Secret Doctrine along with her collective writings as well as William
      Judge's, Robert Crosbie, and others, it became clear to me that
      students who
      flaunt knowledge of the Mahatma Letters are doing so for some
      purpose. Why? Because when you place what the Mahatmas have said in
      context in which they are placed in thoughtful writings aimed at
      giving the
      student as much context as possible in which to understand their
      wisdom, one
      might learn something useful. Otherwise, the Mahatma Letters stand
      only as
      an enigma. Real, but rather practically useless. Those in HPB's direct
      lineage, which leaves out many, if not most writers in the
      Society, who have received further instruction from the Lodge of
      have never given a collection of the Mahatma letters to be printed.
      have ALWAYS been excerpted and put in the context of principled
      regarding a subject matter in discussion. Why excerpted? Because it is
      to students of the Wisdom religion, that the Chelas of Mahatmas are
      instructions as to how the wisdom of the Teacher will be used. This
      trust is
      beyond question amongst those so chosen. In fact that is part and
      parcel of
      the Teacher-Disciple relationship. None the less, each student is
      to study on their own and to draw their own conclusions.
      Perhaps, more importantly, is the ideal of putting to work the
      ethical thought, word and deed that one can. The great Paramitas are
      always overlooked by the phenomena addicted student. This great
      teaching is pronounced by HPB and Her Teachers as the paramount motive
      behind the Theosophical Movement. This is true now and I know it was
      true in
      HPB's day. And discussion of high beings and their powers are a
      trap. AS can be the trap of high erudition because it can become an
      end in
      itself. The path which it uncovers may seem not as "tasty" to the
      mind, as
      the nearly tactile feeling of accruing knowledge, which leaves the
      inclined, ethical student within, simply ignored. The becoming of the
      Pratyeka Buddha is at the crown of this while the Nirmanakaya is the
      of the practice of the Heart Doctrine. These choices need to be made
      and one
      is making them by our inclinations whether we know it or not. A good
      thing I
      say. Sincerely-Steven Levey

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