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    Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to Sri Lanka
    Message 1 of 22 , May 19, 2013
      Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
      to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
      Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
      tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
      the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
      reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.



      <
      http://groundviews.org/2013/05/20/beyond-nostalgia-children-of-olcott-must-revisit-history/
      >

      MKR


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    • Jayananda Hiranandani
      Dear MKR and Readers,   I wish to supplement as follows:   The late Dr. Chitaranjan Agrawal, a former General Secretary of the Indian Section, has a book on
      Message 2 of 22 , May 19, 2013
        Dear MKR and Readers,
         
        I wish to supplement as follows:
         
        The late Dr. Chitaranjan Agrawal, a former General Secretary of the Indian Section, has a book on the subject.
         
        Thanks.
        Yours cordially,
        Jayananda Hiranandani


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        Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
        to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
        Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
        tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
        the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
        reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.

        <
        http://groundviews.org/2013/05/20/beyond-nostalgia-children-of-olcott-must-revisit-history/
        >

        MKR

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        Do you know if a PDF version available ? Mkr ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        Message 3 of 22 , May 19, 2013
          Do you know if a PDF version available ?

          Mkr
          On May 19, 2013 8:15 PM, ".:." <mkr777@...> wrote:

          > **
          >
          >
          > Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
          > to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
          > Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
          > tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
          > the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
          > reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.
          >
          > <
          >
          > http://groundviews.org/2013/05/20/beyond-nostalgia-children-of-olcott-must-revisit-history/
          > >
          >
          > MKR
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        • Jayananda Hiranandani
          I do not know about The Mahabodhi Society was the publisher. Dr. Radha Burnier wrote a foreword, and a Buddhist monk an introduction. Jayananda Hiranandani
          Message 4 of 22 , May 20, 2013
            I do not know about
            The Mahabodhi Society was the publisher. Dr. Radha Burnier wrote a foreword, and a Buddhist monk an introduction.
            Jayananda Hiranandani


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            Do you know if a PDF version available ?

            Mkr
            On May 19, 2013 8:15 PM, ".:." <mailto:mkr777%40gmail.com> wrote:

            > **
            >
            >
            > Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
            > to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
            > Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
            > tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
            > the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
            > reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.
            >
            > <
            >
            > http://groundviews.org/2013/05/20/beyond-nostalgia-children-of-olcott-must-revisit-history/
            > >
            >
            > MKR
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          • Jeremy Condick
            The reference on Wesak, HPB and Col. Olcott CW X 238 in Ceylon which is now Sri Lanka, speaks of the substantial work done by Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott
            Message 5 of 22 , May 20, 2013
              The
              reference on Wesak, HPB and Col. Olcott CW X 238 in Ceylon which is
              now Sri Lanka, speaks of the "substantial work done by Madame
              Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism" and of their
              "new impulse" given to Buddhism there at that time 1880. As
              Sri lanka [changed from Ceylon May 22 1972] celebrates Wesak on the
              time of the full moon and as given today as May 17 for that location
              also, we might think that HPB and Col. Olcott indeed gave fresh
              impulse to the Wesak festival still celebrated there to this day at
              the correct lunar time and month of May, as indicated below.


              Buddhism was indeed reformed in its purest sense in spite of
              colonial power and indeed HPB and Olcott were known as 'white
              Buddhists" and were honoured as such. If initially, and I do not
              think this extended to long, wesak was subsequently recognised in
              April there, it was due to the British governor Sir Arthur Gordon for
              April 28, 1885, not HPB. However, the true time and recognition was
              practised by the native Sinhalese Buddhists.

              They [HPB and
              Olcott] made possible the public holiday or celebration recognised by
              the colonial rule and formed the "Buddhist education fund"
              also the "buddhist defence committee" of which Olcott was
              an honorary member and representative for Great Britain. We can but
              imagine the influence often not seen that such figures as HPB and
              Olcott had on the Wesak festival and other things throughout the
              world and indeed inaugurating its resurgence to the time of writing
              of Alice Bailey with the greatly expanded information on the
              spiritual festivals including the Wesak festival. JPC. posted twelve months prior on theos-talk.

              "The
              decision by the Theosophists to inaugurate the Buddhist Education
              Fund on the Wesak Poya (full moon day) of May 13, 1881 is one example
              of how useful the Wesak festival was as a tool for revitalizing
              Buddhism (Somaratna 6)."


              20 Colonel Henry Steele Olcott was an American who, along
              with Madame Blavatsky, organized the Theosophical Society in 1875. He
              landed in Sri Lanka on 17 February 1875 (a day once celebrated as
              "Olcott Day" in Independent Sri Lanka) and proceeded to
              form the Buddhist Theosophical Society. He was influential in
              promoting a Buddhist revival in Sri Lanka (Fields 62).

              http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bVeaj5f0dOcJ:mrsp.mcgill.ca/reports/html/Wesak/index.htm+ceylon+wesak+date+1880&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk


              "Vesak is celebrated as a religious and a cultural
              festival in Sri Lanka on the full moon of the month of May, for a
              duration of one week." wikipedia

              "The government has
              declared May 14- 21 as the Vesak Week to coincide with the 2600th
              Sambuddathwa Jayanthi celebrations."
              "The Vesak year
              declared will be from May 17, 2011 this Year's Vesak Poya Day to next
              year's Vesak Poya Day."

              http://www.colombopage.com/archive_11/May15_1305480919CH.php


              "All Ceylon Buddhist Congress (ACBC) made elaborate
              arrangements to celebrate the forthcoming Sambuddhathwa Jayanthi
              Bauddhaloka Wesak religious festival for the 10th consecutive year,
              from 17th to 21st May 2011 along Bauddhaloka Mawatha, Colombo 7.


              Buddhist schools to participate in Vesak
              celebrations

              Priyanka
              Kurugala

              The
              Education Ministry will conduct a series of programmes to mark Vesak
              Week with the participation of Buddhist schools countrywide.

              The
              Education Ministry has informed Provincial Education Secretaries,
              Provincial Directors, Zonal Directors and Divisional Directors, Deans
              of National Education Faculties, Principals and teachers to conduct
              these programme in a fitting manner.

              Shramadana
              and environment conversation programmes will be held on May 2.
              Creation of Vesak decorations will be carried on May 3.

              A
              sill observation programme will be held on May 4.

              The
              programme will be held with the participation of schoolchildren and
              teachers in Buddhist schools. Displaying of Vesak decorations ,
              lighting Vesak lanterns and lamps, participating in religious
              activities in temples, dansal serving tea, herbal drinks, flower
              offerings and Vesak Bakthi Gee will be held at school level on May 5
              and 6.

              The
              certificate awarding ceremony for participants as well as teachers
              and schoolchildren will be held on May 8.

              2012.
              http://www.dailynews.lk/2012/05/01/news12.asp



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              > Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:15:04 -0500
              > Subject: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
              >
              > Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
              > to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
              > Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
              > tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
              > the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
              > reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.
              >
              >
              >
              > <
              > http://groundviews.org/2013/05/20/beyond-nostalgia-children-of-olcott-must-revisit-history/
              > >
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            • M. Sufilight
              Dear Jeremy interesting. I will quote the following from the passage CW Vol. X, p. 238: The most enthusiastic and lavish manner in which the Buddhists of
              Message 6 of 22 , May 20, 2013
                Dear Jeremy

                interesting.

                I will quote the following from the passage CW Vol. X, p. 238:
                "The most enthusiastic and lavish manner in which the Buddhists of Ceylon celebrated the Wesak days of the past two years, cannot but fail to testify to their honest belief in Buddhism, and to the substantial work done by Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism. . . . .
                This is all correct, and the two above named personages feel proud to see their feeble services so well appreciated and remembered. But they would certainly feel still happier had the actual state of the moral standard in Ceylon-once the pearl of the Indian Ocean-been such as not to have necessitated the letter published in the same paper by a "Chela." This shows the reverse of the medal and mars somewhat the delight of those who have devoted their life to the noble work of spreading the philosophy of the great "Light of Asia." For, it is not the modern temple-Buddhism with all the excrescences that have crept into it, but verily the esoteric Budhism, * of the Lord Gautama, the BUDDHA, that the Founders had in view, when working for the REVIVAL OF BUDDHISM."
                http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_097.htm

                And then I will add the following...

                About empty exoteric rituals we find that the co-founder H. P. Blavatsky is said to have written:
                "The T.S. was not created to propagate any dogma of any exoteric, ritualistic church, whether Buddhist, Brahmanical, or Christian. This idea is a wide-spread and general mistake; and that of the eminent Sanskritist is due to a self-evident source which misled him."
                (....Reading the whole article could be helpful...the rest of the article....is a different matter to exchange upon...)
                http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_064.htm


                I do not mind that people celebarate what they like to celebrate.
                But I suggest that we do not think that Blavatsky strongly supported empty exoteric religious rituals.
                But each person will no doubt seek thier own view about these matters.

                All the above are just my views. They were forwarded as a possible help to the Seekers After Truth and Wisdom.




                M. Sufilight



                ----- Original Message -----
                From: Jeremy Condick
                To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:01 PM
                Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka




                The
                reference on Wesak, HPB and Col. Olcott CW X 238 in Ceylon which is
                now Sri Lanka, speaks of the "substantial work done by Madame
                Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism" and of their
                "new impulse" given to Buddhism there at that time 1880. As
                Sri lanka [changed from Ceylon May 22 1972] celebrates Wesak on the
                time of the full moon and as given today as May 17 for that location
                also, we might think that HPB and Col. Olcott indeed gave fresh
                impulse to the Wesak festival still celebrated there to this day at
                the correct lunar time and month of May, as indicated below.

                Buddhism was indeed reformed in its purest sense in spite of
                colonial power and indeed HPB and Olcott were known as 'white
                Buddhists" and were honoured as such. If initially, and I do not
                think this extended to long, wesak was subsequently recognised in
                April there, it was due to the British governor Sir Arthur Gordon for
                April 28, 1885, not HPB. However, the true time and recognition was
                practised by the native Sinhalese Buddhists.

                They [HPB and
                Olcott] made possible the public holiday or celebration recognised by
                the colonial rule and formed the "Buddhist education fund"
                also the "buddhist defence committee" of which Olcott was
                an honorary member and representative for Great Britain. We can but
                imagine the influence often not seen that such figures as HPB and
                Olcott had on the Wesak festival and other things throughout the
                world and indeed inaugurating its resurgence to the time of writing
                of Alice Bailey with the greatly expanded information on the
                spiritual festivals including the Wesak festival. JPC. posted twelve months prior on theos-talk.

                "The
                decision by the Theosophists to inaugurate the Buddhist Education
                Fund on the Wesak Poya (full moon day) of May 13, 1881 is one example
                of how useful the Wesak festival was as a tool for revitalizing
                Buddhism (Somaratna 6)."

                20 Colonel Henry Steele Olcott was an American who, along
                with Madame Blavatsky, organized the Theosophical Society in 1875. He
                landed in Sri Lanka on 17 February 1875 (a day once celebrated as
                "Olcott Day" in Independent Sri Lanka) and proceeded to
                form the Buddhist Theosophical Society. He was influential in
                promoting a Buddhist revival in Sri Lanka (Fields 62).

                http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bVeaj5f0dOcJ:mrsp.mcgill.ca/reports/html/Wesak/index.htm+ceylon+wesak+date+1880&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk

                "Vesak is celebrated as a religious and a cultural
                festival in Sri Lanka on the full moon of the month of May, for a
                duration of one week." wikipedia

                "The government has
                declared May 14- 21 as the Vesak Week to coincide with the 2600th
                Sambuddathwa Jayanthi celebrations."
                "The Vesak year
                declared will be from May 17, 2011 this Year's Vesak Poya Day to next
                year's Vesak Poya Day."

                http://www.colombopage.com/archive_11/May15_1305480919CH.php

                "All Ceylon Buddhist Congress (ACBC) made elaborate
                arrangements to celebrate the forthcoming Sambuddhathwa Jayanthi
                Bauddhaloka Wesak religious festival for the 10th consecutive year,
                from 17th to 21st May 2011 along Bauddhaloka Mawatha, Colombo 7.

                Buddhist schools to participate in Vesak
                celebrations

                Priyanka
                Kurugala

                The
                Education Ministry will conduct a series of programmes to mark Vesak
                Week with the participation of Buddhist schools countrywide.

                The
                Education Ministry has informed Provincial Education Secretaries,
                Provincial Directors, Zonal Directors and Divisional Directors, Deans
                of National Education Faculties, Principals and teachers to conduct
                these programme in a fitting manner.

                Shramadana
                and environment conversation programmes will be held on May 2.
                Creation of Vesak decorations will be carried on May 3.

                A
                sill observation programme will be held on May 4.

                The
                programme will be held with the participation of schoolchildren and
                teachers in Buddhist schools. Displaying of Vesak decorations ,
                lighting Vesak lanterns and lamps, participating in religious
                activities in temples, dansal serving tea, herbal drinks, flower
                offerings and Vesak Bakthi Gee will be held at school level on May 5
                and 6.

                The
                certificate awarding ceremony for participants as well as teachers
                and schoolchildren will be held on May 8.

                2012.
                http://www.dailynews.lk/2012/05/01/news12.asp

                > To: Theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                > From: mkr777@...
                > Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:15:04 -0500
                > Subject: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                >
                > Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
                > to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
                > Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
                > tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
                > the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
                > reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.
                >
                >
                >
                > <
                > http://groundviews.org/2013/05/20/beyond-nostalgia-children-of-olcott-must-revisit-history/
                > >
                >
                > MKR
                >
                >
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              • Jeremy Condick
                Dear Morton, I agree in context with your thoughts on empty exoteric or dogmatic rituals or possibly lavish expressions of such. However your inclination to
                Message 7 of 22 , May 20, 2013
                  Dear Morton, I agree in context with your thoughts on empty exoteric or dogmatic rituals or possibly lavish expressions of such. However your inclination to steer away from the intention does not serve the purpose of that fact that HPB and Olcott accomplished a great service at that time of inaugurating a "new impulse" to a time of ignorance in Buddhism in "its pure form" note that term Morton, and to the renewed confidence for the individual to 'express, teach and profess' themselves as Buddhists in public.

                  Buddhism as a "new impulse", "in its pure form," that is the point and has nothing to do with what you mind people celebrate, or not. With every new impulse there will be resurgence of lavish expression by the mass which is inevitable however the underlying theme of purity or pure form will have been established and remains for those who seek or understand. JPC.

                  "In the year 1880, Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott paid their first visit to Ceylon, and honestly and
                  publicly declared themselves Buddhists, and in furtherance of the dear wish of their heart they established
                  branches of the Theosophical Society in various parts of the Island. By their united endeavours, I must admit
                  that a new impulse has been given to Buddhism; so much so, that the many thousands of natives of the Island,
                  who had hitherto remained ignorant of Buddhism in its pure form, and those who were ashamed to declare
                  themselves Buddhists in public, have all begun to learn, teach and profess Buddhism most openly and
                  vigorously." BCW X 238.

                  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                  > From: global-theosophy@...
                  > Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:38:34 +0200
                  > Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                  >
                  > Dear Jeremy
                  >
                  > interesting.
                  >
                  > I will quote the following from the passage CW Vol. X, p. 238:
                  > "The most enthusiastic and lavish manner in which the Buddhists of Ceylon celebrated the Wesak days of the past two years, cannot but fail to testify to their honest belief in Buddhism, and to the substantial work done by Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism. . . . .
                  > This is all correct, and the two above named personages feel proud to see their feeble services so well appreciated and remembered. But they would certainly feel still happier had the actual state of the moral standard in Ceylon-once the pearl of the Indian Ocean-been such as not to have necessitated the letter published in the same paper by a "Chela." This shows the reverse of the medal and mars somewhat the delight of those who have devoted their life to the noble work of spreading the philosophy of the great "Light of Asia." For, it is not the modern temple-Buddhism with all the excrescences that have crept into it, but verily the esoteric Budhism, * of the Lord Gautama, the BUDDHA, that the Founders had in view, when working for the REVIVAL OF BUDDHISM."
                  > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_097.htm
                  >
                  > And then I will add the following...
                  >
                  > About empty exoteric rituals we find that the co-founder H. P. Blavatsky is said to have written:
                  > "The T.S. was not created to propagate any dogma of any exoteric, ritualistic church, whether Buddhist, Brahmanical, or Christian. This idea is a wide-spread and general mistake; and that of the eminent Sanskritist is due to a self-evident source which misled him."
                  > (....Reading the whole article could be helpful...the rest of the article....is a different matter to exchange upon...)
                  > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_064.htm
                  >
                  >
                  > I do not mind that people celebarate what they like to celebrate.
                  > But I suggest that we do not think that Blavatsky strongly supported empty exoteric religious rituals.
                  > But each person will no doubt seek thier own view about these matters.
                  >
                  > All the above are just my views. They were forwarded as a possible help to the Seekers After Truth and Wisdom.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > M. Sufilight
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: Jeremy Condick
                  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:01 PM
                  > Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > The
                  > reference on Wesak, HPB and Col. Olcott CW X 238 in Ceylon which is
                  > now Sri Lanka, speaks of the "substantial work done by Madame
                  > Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism" and of their
                  > "new impulse" given to Buddhism there at that time 1880. As
                  > Sri lanka [changed from Ceylon May 22 1972] celebrates Wesak on the
                  > time of the full moon and as given today as May 17 for that location
                  > also, we might think that HPB and Col. Olcott indeed gave fresh
                  > impulse to the Wesak festival still celebrated there to this day at
                  > the correct lunar time and month of May, as indicated below.
                  >
                  > Buddhism was indeed reformed in its purest sense in spite of
                  > colonial power and indeed HPB and Olcott were known as 'white
                  > Buddhists" and were honoured as such. If initially, and I do not
                  > think this extended to long, wesak was subsequently recognised in
                  > April there, it was due to the British governor Sir Arthur Gordon for
                  > April 28, 1885, not HPB. However, the true time and recognition was
                  > practised by the native Sinhalese Buddhists.
                  >
                  > They [HPB and
                  > Olcott] made possible the public holiday or celebration recognised by
                  > the colonial rule and formed the "Buddhist education fund"
                  > also the "buddhist defence committee" of which Olcott was
                  > an honorary member and representative for Great Britain. We can but
                  > imagine the influence often not seen that such figures as HPB and
                  > Olcott had on the Wesak festival and other things throughout the
                  > world and indeed inaugurating its resurgence to the time of writing
                  > of Alice Bailey with the greatly expanded information on the
                  > spiritual festivals including the Wesak festival. JPC. posted twelve months prior on theos-talk.
                  >
                  > "The
                  > decision by the Theosophists to inaugurate the Buddhist Education
                  > Fund on the Wesak Poya (full moon day) of May 13, 1881 is one example
                  > of how useful the Wesak festival was as a tool for revitalizing
                  > Buddhism (Somaratna 6)."
                  >
                  > 20 Colonel Henry Steele Olcott was an American who, along
                  > with Madame Blavatsky, organized the Theosophical Society in 1875. He
                  > landed in Sri Lanka on 17 February 1875 (a day once celebrated as
                  > "Olcott Day" in Independent Sri Lanka) and proceeded to
                  > form the Buddhist Theosophical Society. He was influential in
                  > promoting a Buddhist revival in Sri Lanka (Fields 62).
                  >
                  > http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bVeaj5f0dOcJ:mrsp.mcgill.ca/reports/html/Wesak/index.htm+ceylon+wesak+date+1880&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk
                  >
                  > "Vesak is celebrated as a religious and a cultural
                  > festival in Sri Lanka on the full moon of the month of May, for a
                  > duration of one week." wikipedia
                  >
                  > "The government has
                  > declared May 14- 21 as the Vesak Week to coincide with the 2600th
                  > Sambuddathwa Jayanthi celebrations."
                  > "The Vesak year
                  > declared will be from May 17, 2011 this Year's Vesak Poya Day to next
                  > year's Vesak Poya Day."
                  >
                  > http://www.colombopage.com/archive_11/May15_1305480919CH.php
                  >
                  > "All Ceylon Buddhist Congress (ACBC) made elaborate
                  > arrangements to celebrate the forthcoming Sambuddhathwa Jayanthi
                  > Bauddhaloka Wesak religious festival for the 10th consecutive year,
                  > from 17th to 21st May 2011 along Bauddhaloka Mawatha, Colombo 7.
                  >
                  > Buddhist schools to participate in Vesak
                  > celebrations
                  >
                  > Priyanka
                  > Kurugala
                  >
                  > The
                  > Education Ministry will conduct a series of programmes to mark Vesak
                  > Week with the participation of Buddhist schools countrywide.
                  >
                  > The
                  > Education Ministry has informed Provincial Education Secretaries,
                  > Provincial Directors, Zonal Directors and Divisional Directors, Deans
                  > of National Education Faculties, Principals and teachers to conduct
                  > these programme in a fitting manner.
                  >
                  > Shramadana
                  > and environment conversation programmes will be held on May 2.
                  > Creation of Vesak decorations will be carried on May 3.
                  >
                  > A
                  > sill observation programme will be held on May 4.
                  >
                  > The
                  > programme will be held with the participation of schoolchildren and
                  > teachers in Buddhist schools. Displaying of Vesak decorations ,
                  > lighting Vesak lanterns and lamps, participating in religious
                  > activities in temples, dansal serving tea, herbal drinks, flower
                  > offerings and Vesak Bakthi Gee will be held at school level on May 5
                  > and 6.
                  >
                  > The
                  > certificate awarding ceremony for participants as well as teachers
                  > and schoolchildren will be held on May 8.
                  >
                  > 2012.
                  > http://www.dailynews.lk/2012/05/01/news12.asp
                  >
                  > > To: Theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                  > > From: mkr777@...
                  > > Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:15:04 -0500
                  > > Subject: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                  > >
                  > > Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
                  > > to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
                  > > Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
                  > > tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
                  > > the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
                  > > reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > <
                  > > http://groundviews.org/2013/05/20/beyond-nostalgia-children-of-olcott-must-revisit-history/
                  > > >
                  > >
                  > > MKR
                  > >
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                • M. Sufilight
                  Dear Jeremy and all readers My views are: Yes, but this impulse by Blavatsky and Olcott of what ever kind it was, was not an expression of forwarding an
                  Message 8 of 22 , May 21, 2013
                    Dear Jeremy and all readers

                    My views are:

                    Yes, but this "impulse" by Blavatsky and Olcott of what ever kind it was, was not an expression of forwarding an impulse on behalf of the Theosophical Society, because it was absolutely non-sectarian in its organizational structure. This "impulse" was merely forwarded on behalf of themselves. And this is important.

                    As I see it:
                    We have to distinguish the Theosophical Society from Esoteric Buddhism (in its pure form) organizationally speaking, although real Esoteric Buddhism - if it claim to be ethical - do give emphasis to a non-sectarian concept where no member are teaching the members (as leaders) on behalf of an Exoteric Society.
                    This is important and seems not to be given the needed ethical emphasis or is not being understood for its ethical importance in various Alice A. Bailey organizations.

                    Blavatsky wrote in the Key to Theosophy, p. 12-15 + 19:
                    "THEOSOPHY IS NOT BUDDHISM "
                    "Yet Theosophy is not Buddhism."
                    .......
                    " ENQUIRER. Which system do you prefer or follow, in that case, besides Buddhistic ethics?

                    THEOSOPHIST. None, and all. We hold to no religion, as to no philosophy in particular: we cull the good we find in each. But here, again, it must be stated that, like all other ancient systems, Theosophy is divided into Exoteric and Esoteric Sections. "
                    http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm#p12


                    So Blavatsky did not plan to close down the absolutely Non-Sectarian Theosophical Society. At least not in 1889, when this book was published.
                    And, as I recently showed in a post to Cass here on the forum, neither later in 1891. (See the footnotes by HPB in this article by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. and read by all means the article carefully - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm )
                    And there are plenty of info showing this to be true.





                    M. Sufilight


                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: Jeremy Condick
                    To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 10:14 PM
                    Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka



                    Dear Morton, I agree in context with your thoughts on empty exoteric or dogmatic rituals or possibly lavish expressions of such. However your inclination to steer away from the intention does not serve the purpose of that fact that HPB and Olcott accomplished a great service at that time of inaugurating a "new impulse" to a time of ignorance in Buddhism in "its pure form" note that term Morton, and to the renewed confidence for the individual to 'express, teach and profess' themselves as Buddhists in public.

                    Buddhism as a "new impulse", "in its pure form," that is the point and has nothing to do with what you mind people celebrate, or not. With every new impulse there will be resurgence of lavish expression by the mass which is inevitable however the underlying theme of purity or pure form will have been established and remains for those who seek or understand. JPC.

                    "In the year 1880, Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott paid their first visit to Ceylon, and honestly and
                    publicly declared themselves Buddhists, and in furtherance of the dear wish of their heart they established
                    branches of the Theosophical Society in various parts of the Island. By their united endeavours, I must admit
                    that a new impulse has been given to Buddhism; so much so, that the many thousands of natives of the Island,
                    who had hitherto remained ignorant of Buddhism in its pure form, and those who were ashamed to declare
                    themselves Buddhists in public, have all begun to learn, teach and profess Buddhism most openly and
                    vigorously." BCW X 238.

                    > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                    > From: global-theosophy@...
                    > Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:38:34 +0200
                    > Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                    >
                    > Dear Jeremy
                    >
                    > interesting.
                    >
                    > I will quote the following from the passage CW Vol. X, p. 238:
                    > "The most enthusiastic and lavish manner in which the Buddhists of Ceylon celebrated the Wesak days of the past two years, cannot but fail to testify to their honest belief in Buddhism, and to the substantial work done by Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism. . . . .
                    > This is all correct, and the two above named personages feel proud to see their feeble services so well appreciated and remembered. But they would certainly feel still happier had the actual state of the moral standard in Ceylon-once the pearl of the Indian Ocean-been such as not to have necessitated the letter published in the same paper by a "Chela." This shows the reverse of the medal and mars somewhat the delight of those who have devoted their life to the noble work of spreading the philosophy of the great "Light of Asia." For, it is not the modern temple-Buddhism with all the excrescences that have crept into it, but verily the esoteric Budhism, * of the Lord Gautama, the BUDDHA, that the Founders had in view, when working for the REVIVAL OF BUDDHISM."
                    > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_097.htm
                    >
                    > And then I will add the following...
                    >
                    > About empty exoteric rituals we find that the co-founder H. P. Blavatsky is said to have written:
                    > "The T.S. was not created to propagate any dogma of any exoteric, ritualistic church, whether Buddhist, Brahmanical, or Christian. This idea is a wide-spread and general mistake; and that of the eminent Sanskritist is due to a self-evident source which misled him."
                    > (....Reading the whole article could be helpful...the rest of the article....is a different matter to exchange upon...)
                    > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_064.htm
                    >
                    >
                    > I do not mind that people celebarate what they like to celebrate.
                    > But I suggest that we do not think that Blavatsky strongly supported empty exoteric religious rituals.
                    > But each person will no doubt seek thier own view about these matters.
                    >
                    > All the above are just my views. They were forwarded as a possible help to the Seekers After Truth and Wisdom.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > M. Sufilight
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: Jeremy Condick
                    > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                    > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:01 PM
                    > Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > The
                    > reference on Wesak, HPB and Col. Olcott CW X 238 in Ceylon which is
                    > now Sri Lanka, speaks of the "substantial work done by Madame
                    > Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism" and of their
                    > "new impulse" given to Buddhism there at that time 1880. As
                    > Sri lanka [changed from Ceylon May 22 1972] celebrates Wesak on the
                    > time of the full moon and as given today as May 17 for that location
                    > also, we might think that HPB and Col. Olcott indeed gave fresh
                    > impulse to the Wesak festival still celebrated there to this day at
                    > the correct lunar time and month of May, as indicated below.
                    >
                    > Buddhism was indeed reformed in its purest sense in spite of
                    > colonial power and indeed HPB and Olcott were known as 'white
                    > Buddhists" and were honoured as such. If initially, and I do not
                    > think this extended to long, wesak was subsequently recognised in
                    > April there, it was due to the British governor Sir Arthur Gordon for
                    > April 28, 1885, not HPB. However, the true time and recognition was
                    > practised by the native Sinhalese Buddhists.
                    >
                    > They [HPB and
                    > Olcott] made possible the public holiday or celebration recognised by
                    > the colonial rule and formed the "Buddhist education fund"
                    > also the "buddhist defence committee" of which Olcott was
                    > an honorary member and representative for Great Britain. We can but
                    > imagine the influence often not seen that such figures as HPB and
                    > Olcott had on the Wesak festival and other things throughout the
                    > world and indeed inaugurating its resurgence to the time of writing
                    > of Alice Bailey with the greatly expanded information on the
                    > spiritual festivals including the Wesak festival. JPC. posted twelve months prior on theos-talk.
                    >
                    > "The
                    > decision by the Theosophists to inaugurate the Buddhist Education
                    > Fund on the Wesak Poya (full moon day) of May 13, 1881 is one example
                    > of how useful the Wesak festival was as a tool for revitalizing
                    > Buddhism (Somaratna 6)."
                    >
                    > 20 Colonel Henry Steele Olcott was an American who, along
                    > with Madame Blavatsky, organized the Theosophical Society in 1875. He
                    > landed in Sri Lanka on 17 February 1875 (a day once celebrated as
                    > "Olcott Day" in Independent Sri Lanka) and proceeded to
                    > form the Buddhist Theosophical Society. He was influential in
                    > promoting a Buddhist revival in Sri Lanka (Fields 62).
                    >
                    > http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bVeaj5f0dOcJ:mrsp.mcgill.ca/reports/html/Wesak/index.htm+ceylon+wesak+date+1880&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk
                    >
                    > "Vesak is celebrated as a religious and a cultural
                    > festival in Sri Lanka on the full moon of the month of May, for a
                    > duration of one week." wikipedia
                    >
                    > "The government has
                    > declared May 14- 21 as the Vesak Week to coincide with the 2600th
                    > Sambuddathwa Jayanthi celebrations."
                    > "The Vesak year
                    > declared will be from May 17, 2011 this Year's Vesak Poya Day to next
                    > year's Vesak Poya Day."
                    >
                    > http://www.colombopage.com/archive_11/May15_1305480919CH.php
                    >
                    > "All Ceylon Buddhist Congress (ACBC) made elaborate
                    > arrangements to celebrate the forthcoming Sambuddhathwa Jayanthi
                    > Bauddhaloka Wesak religious festival for the 10th consecutive year,
                    > from 17th to 21st May 2011 along Bauddhaloka Mawatha, Colombo 7.
                    >
                    > Buddhist schools to participate in Vesak
                    > celebrations
                    >
                    > Priyanka
                    > Kurugala
                    >
                    > The
                    > Education Ministry will conduct a series of programmes to mark Vesak
                    > Week with the participation of Buddhist schools countrywide.
                    >
                    > The
                    > Education Ministry has informed Provincial Education Secretaries,
                    > Provincial Directors, Zonal Directors and Divisional Directors, Deans
                    > of National Education Faculties, Principals and teachers to conduct
                    > these programme in a fitting manner.
                    >
                    > Shramadana
                    > and environment conversation programmes will be held on May 2.
                    > Creation of Vesak decorations will be carried on May 3.
                    >
                    > A
                    > sill observation programme will be held on May 4.
                    >
                    > The
                    > programme will be held with the participation of schoolchildren and
                    > teachers in Buddhist schools. Displaying of Vesak decorations ,
                    > lighting Vesak lanterns and lamps, participating in religious
                    > activities in temples, dansal serving tea, herbal drinks, flower
                    > offerings and Vesak Bakthi Gee will be held at school level on May 5
                    > and 6.
                    >
                    > The
                    > certificate awarding ceremony for participants as well as teachers
                    > and schoolchildren will be held on May 8.
                    >
                    > 2012.
                    > http://www.dailynews.lk/2012/05/01/news12.asp
                    >
                    > > To: Theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                    > > From: mkr777@...
                    > > Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:15:04 -0500
                    > > Subject: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                    > >
                    > > Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
                    > > to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
                    > > Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
                    > > tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
                    > > the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
                    > > reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > <
                    > > http://groundviews.org/2013/05/20/beyond-nostalgia-children-of-olcott-must-revisit-history/
                    > > >
                    > >
                    > > MKR
                    > >
                    > >
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                    > >
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                  • Cass Silva
                    Nobody suggested that HPB closed down or had intentions to close down what she saw as the Exoteric TS.  She simply walked away from it and formed her own
                    Message 9 of 22 , May 21, 2013
                      Nobody suggested that HPB closed down or had intentions to close down what she saw as the Exoteric TS.  She simply walked away from it and formed her own esoteric chapter, which if I am not mistaken, was by invitation only.

                      Cass


                      ________________________________
                      From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                      To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013 1:21 AM
                      Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka



                       
                      Dear Jeremy and all readers

                      My views are:

                      Yes, but this "impulse" by Blavatsky and Olcott of what ever kind it was, was not an expression of forwarding an impulse on behalf of the Theosophical Society, because it was absolutely non-sectarian in its organizational structure. This "impulse" was merely forwarded on behalf of themselves. And this is important.

                      As I see it:
                      We have to distinguish the Theosophical Society from Esoteric Buddhism (in its pure form) organizationally speaking, although real Esoteric Buddhism - if it claim to be ethical - do give emphasis to a non-sectarian concept where no member are teaching the members (as leaders) on behalf of an Exoteric Society.
                      This is important and seems not to be given the needed ethical emphasis or is not being understood for its ethical importance in various Alice A. Bailey organizations.

                      Blavatsky wrote in the Key to Theosophy, p. 12-15 + 19:
                      "THEOSOPHY IS NOT BUDDHISM "
                      "Yet Theosophy is not Buddhism."
                      .......
                      " ENQUIRER. Which system do you prefer or follow, in that case, besides Buddhistic ethics?

                      THEOSOPHIST. None, and all. We hold to no religion, as to no philosophy in particular: we cull the good we find in each. But here, again, it must be stated that, like all other ancient systems, Theosophy is divided into Exoteric and Esoteric Sections. "
                      http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm#p12

                      So Blavatsky did not plan to close down the absolutely Non-Sectarian Theosophical Society. At least not in 1889, when this book was published.
                      And, as I recently showed in a post to Cass here on the forum, neither later in 1891. (See the footnotes by HPB in this article by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. and read by all means the article carefully - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm )
                      And there are plenty of info showing this to be true.

                      M. Sufilight

                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: Jeremy Condick
                      To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                      Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 10:14 PM
                      Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                      Dear Morton, I agree in context with your thoughts on empty exoteric or dogmatic rituals or possibly lavish expressions of such. However your inclination to steer away from the intention does not serve the purpose of that fact that HPB and Olcott accomplished a great service at that time of inaugurating a "new impulse" to a time of ignorance in Buddhism in "its pure form" note that term Morton, and to the renewed confidence for the individual to 'express, teach and profess' themselves as Buddhists in public.

                      Buddhism as a "new impulse", "in its pure form," that is the point and has nothing to do with what you mind people celebrate, or not. With every new impulse there will be resurgence of lavish expression by the mass which is inevitable however the underlying theme of purity or pure form will have been established and remains for those who seek or understand. JPC.

                      "In the year 1880, Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott paid their first visit to Ceylon, and honestly and
                      publicly declared themselves Buddhists, and in furtherance of the dear wish of their heart they established
                      branches of the Theosophical Society in various parts of the Island. By their united endeavours, I must admit
                      that a new impulse has been given to Buddhism; so much so, that the many thousands of natives of the Island,
                      who had hitherto remained ignorant of Buddhism in its pure form, and those who were ashamed to declare
                      themselves Buddhists in public, have all begun to learn, teach and profess Buddhism most openly and
                      vigorously." BCW X 238.

                      > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                      > From: global-theosophy@...
                      > Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:38:34 +0200
                      > Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                      >
                      > Dear Jeremy
                      >
                      > interesting.
                      >
                      > I will quote the following from the passage CW Vol. X, p. 238:
                      > "The most enthusiastic and lavish manner in which the Buddhists of Ceylon celebrated the Wesak days of the past two years, cannot but fail to testify to their honest belief in Buddhism, and to the substantial work done by Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism. . . . .
                      > This is all correct, and the two above named personages feel proud to see their feeble services so well appreciated and remembered. But they would certainly feel still happier had the actual state of the moral standard in Ceylon-once the pearl of the Indian Ocean-been such as not to have necessitated the letter published in the same paper by a "Chela." This shows the reverse of the medal and mars somewhat the delight of those who have devoted their life to the noble work of spreading the philosophy of the great "Light of Asia." For, it is not the modern temple-Buddhism with all the excrescences that have crept into it, but verily the esoteric Budhism, * of the Lord Gautama, the BUDDHA, that the Founders had in view, when working for the REVIVAL OF BUDDHISM."
                      > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_097.htm
                      >
                      > And then I will add the following...
                      >
                      > About empty exoteric rituals we find that the co-founder H. P. Blavatsky is said to have written:
                      > "The T.S. was not created to propagate any dogma of any exoteric, ritualistic church, whether Buddhist, Brahmanical, or Christian. This idea is a wide-spread and general mistake; and that of the eminent Sanskritist is due to a self-evident source which misled him."
                      > (....Reading the whole article could be helpful...the rest of the article....is a different matter to exchange upon...)
                      > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_064.htm
                      >
                      >
                      > I do not mind that people celebarate what they like to celebrate.
                      > But I suggest that we do not think that Blavatsky strongly supported empty exoteric religious rituals.
                      > But each person will no doubt seek thier own view about these matters.
                      >
                      > All the above are just my views. They were forwarded as a possible help to the Seekers After Truth and Wisdom.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > M. Sufilight
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: Jeremy Condick
                      > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:01 PM
                      > Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > The
                      > reference on Wesak, HPB and Col. Olcott CW X 238 in Ceylon which is
                      > now Sri Lanka, speaks of the "substantial work done by Madame
                      > Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism" and of their
                      > "new impulse" given to Buddhism there at that time 1880. As
                      > Sri lanka [changed from Ceylon May 22 1972] celebrates Wesak on the
                      > time of the full moon and as given today as May 17 for that location
                      > also, we might think that HPB and Col. Olcott indeed gave fresh
                      > impulse to the Wesak festival still celebrated there to this day at
                      > the correct lunar time and month of May, as indicated below.
                      >
                      > Buddhism was indeed reformed in its purest sense in spite of
                      > colonial power and indeed HPB and Olcott were known as 'white
                      > Buddhists" and were honoured as such. If initially, and I do not
                      > think this extended to long, wesak was subsequently recognised in
                      > April there, it was due to the British governor Sir Arthur Gordon for
                      > April 28, 1885, not HPB. However, the true time and recognition was
                      > practised by the native Sinhalese Buddhists.
                      >
                      > They [HPB and
                      > Olcott] made possible the public holiday or celebration recognised by
                      > the colonial rule and formed the "Buddhist education fund"
                      > also the "buddhist defence committee" of which Olcott was
                      > an honorary member and representative for Great Britain. We can but
                      > imagine the influence often not seen that such figures as HPB and
                      > Olcott had on the Wesak festival and other things throughout the
                      > world and indeed inaugurating its resurgence to the time of writing
                      > of Alice Bailey with the greatly expanded information on the
                      > spiritual festivals including the Wesak festival. JPC. posted twelve months prior on theos-talk.
                      >
                      > "The
                      > decision by the Theosophists to inaugurate the Buddhist Education
                      > Fund on the Wesak Poya (full moon day) of May 13, 1881 is one example
                      > of how useful the Wesak festival was as a tool for revitalizing
                      > Buddhism (Somaratna 6)."
                      >
                      > 20 Colonel Henry Steele Olcott was an American who, along
                      > with Madame Blavatsky, organized the Theosophical Society in 1875. He
                      > landed in Sri Lanka on 17 February 1875 (a day once celebrated as
                      > "Olcott Day" in Independent Sri Lanka) and proceeded to
                      > form the Buddhist Theosophical Society. He was influential in
                      > promoting a Buddhist revival in Sri Lanka (Fields 62).
                      >
                      > http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bVeaj5f0dOcJ:mrsp.mcgill.ca/reports/html/Wesak/index.htm+ceylon+wesak+date+1880&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk
                      >
                      > "Vesak is celebrated as a religious and a cultural
                      > festival in Sri Lanka on the full moon of the month of May, for a
                      > duration of one week." wikipedia
                      >
                      > "The government has
                      > declared May 14- 21 as the Vesak Week to coincide with the 2600th
                      > Sambuddathwa Jayanthi celebrations."
                      > "The Vesak year
                      > declared will be from May 17, 2011 this Year's Vesak Poya Day to next
                      > year's Vesak Poya Day."
                      >
                      > http://www.colombopage.com/archive_11/May15_1305480919CH.php
                      >
                      > "All Ceylon Buddhist Congress (ACBC) made elaborate
                      > arrangements to celebrate the forthcoming Sambuddhathwa Jayanthi
                      > Bauddhaloka Wesak religious festival for the 10th consecutive year,
                      > from 17th to 21st May 2011 along Bauddhaloka Mawatha, Colombo 7.
                      >
                      > Buddhist schools to participate in Vesak
                      > celebrations
                      >
                      > Priyanka
                      > Kurugala
                      >
                      > The
                      > Education Ministry will conduct a series of programmes to mark Vesak
                      > Week with the participation of Buddhist schools countrywide.
                      >
                      > The
                      > Education Ministry has informed Provincial Education Secretaries,
                      > Provincial Directors, Zonal Directors and Divisional Directors, Deans
                      > of National Education Faculties, Principals and teachers to conduct
                      > these programme in a fitting manner.
                      >
                      > Shramadana
                      > and environment conversation programmes will be held on May 2.
                      > Creation of Vesak decorations will be carried on May 3.
                      >
                      > A
                      > sill observation programme will be held on May 4.
                      >
                      > The
                      > programme will be held with the participation of schoolchildren and
                      > teachers in Buddhist schools. Displaying of Vesak decorations ,
                      > lighting Vesak lanterns and lamps, participating in religious
                      > activities in temples, dansal serving tea, herbal drinks, flower
                      > offerings and Vesak Bakthi Gee will be held at school level on May 5
                      > and 6.
                      >
                      > The
                      > certificate awarding ceremony for participants as well as teachers
                      > and schoolchildren will be held on May 8.
                      >
                      > 2012.
                      > http://www.dailynews.lk/2012/05/01/news12.asp
                      >
                      > > To: Theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                      > > From: mkr777@...
                      > > Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:15:04 -0500
                      > > Subject: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                      > >
                      > > Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
                      > > to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
                      > > Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
                      > > tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
                      > > the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
                      > > reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > <
                      > > http://groundviews.org/2013/05/20/beyond-nostalgia-children-of-olcott-must-revisit-history/
                      > > >
                      > >
                      > > MKR
                      > >
                      > >
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                      > >
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                    • M. Sufilight
                      Dear Cass My views are: Blavatsky is here in the below in agreement with Patterson on that the Exoteric Theosophical Society was not created so to have belief
                      Message 10 of 22 , May 22, 2013
                        Dear Cass

                        My views are:


                        Blavatsky is here in the below in agreement with Patterson on that the Exoteric Theosophical Society was not created so to have belief in the Masters as a requisite. See her footnote, where she for years have repeated this view. And since Blavatsky do not oppose Patterson in any of his words I find it difficult to think that she meant anything else. She in fact support his words early in the article in mention. See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 115, Feb. 1891.
                        And Blavatsky died only 3 months later. These are merely my views.

                        It is, as I see it, important to understand the non-sectarian nature of the Exoteric TS, and, also the Esoteric Section. The first have nobody forwarding a doctrine on behalf of its members. The latter had, but had it with an understanding of what non-sectarian organizations versus sectarian organizations were and still is, as concepts. There those who create what they call Esoteric Sections, and who do not understand the difference between sectarian organizations (where A DOCTRINE are forwarded on behalf of others - where forced beliefs pressure towards beliefs in the Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. ARE BEING USED or at least NOT clearly OPPOSED - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find UN-Ethical) and non-sectarian organizations (where NO doctrine are forwarded on behalf of others - where NONE are using forced beliefs in Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find Ethical). These are however merely my views.




                        See here:
                        "COMMENTS ON “THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY AND H.P.B.”
                        by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. with comments by HPB in footnotes
                        [Lucifer, Vol. VII, No. 42, February, 1891, pp. 451-455]
                        (Inserted by M. Sufilight: http://www.theosopher.net/dzyan/lucifer/lucifer_v7_n42_february_1891.pdf )
                        " The honest materialist, the honest agnostic, the honest spiritualist, the honest christian-scientist, the honest dogmatic christian, may be an honest disbeliever in H. P. B. and the Masters, and an honest member of the Theosophical Society too, provided he is enlisted in the cause of humanity.† Let us hold the "
                        .......
                        [FOOTNOTE]
                        † I have repeated these words for years: it is my stereotyped answer to enquirers who ask me whether belief in the MASTERS is obligatory in joining the T. S.—[H. P. B.]
                        .......
                        "doors wide open; let us set up no unnecessary barriers, and let us wait outside until the last one has entered. We can thus best serve, thus best defend. This is not a policy of silence; it does not prevent our using pen and voice in defence of our beloved leader; but it should prevent making belief in her a qualification, even if an unwritten one, for membership in good standing in the Theosophical Society. There are now many good members who are doubters on this point. Don’t let us drive them away by intolerance."
                        http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm
                        (I suggest that one read this article carefully. Because it is very important to understand, when one seek to understand Blavatsky's stance on the Exoteric TS versus the Esoteric Section and their relations to each other.)


                        Anyone?

                        _____
                        And since Blavatsky in her Footnote claim to have - repeated these words for years - I find it hard to think that Blavatsky walked away from the Exoteric Section of the Theosophical Society. No, she merely formed the Esoteric Section because quite a number of the members of the Society requested it. This was also what she wrote here in the same article with links given in the above:
                        "Owing to the fact that a large number of Fellows of the Society have felt the necessity for the formation of a body of Esoteric students, to be organized on the ORIGINAL LINES devised by the real founders of the T.S." (See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 116, Feb. 1891 - See also BCW. Vol. XII, p. 481, Oct. 1888 - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v12/y1890_052.htm)


                        H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
                        "Because (a) Madame Blavatsky does not owe the slightest allegiance to a Council which is liable at any moment to issue silly and untheosophical ukases; and (b) for the simple reason that she recognizes but one person in the T.S. besides herself, namely Colonel Olcott, as having the right of effecting fundamental re-organizations in a Society which owes its life to them, and for which they are both karmically responsible. If the acting editor makes slight account of a sacred pledge, neither Col. Olcott nor H. P. Blavatsky are likely to do so. H. P. Blavatsky will always bow before the decision of the majority of a Section or even a simple Branch; but she will ever protest against the decision of the General Council, were it composed of Archangels and Dhyan Chohans themselves, if their decision seems to her unjust, or untheosophical, or fails to meet with the approval of the majority of the Fellows. No more than H. P. Blavatsky has the President-Founder the right of exercising autocracy or papal powers, and Col. Olcott would be the last man in the world to attempt to do so. It is the two Founders and especially the President, who have virtually sworn allegiance to the Fellows, whom they have to protect, and teach those who want to be taught, and not to tyrannize and rule over them."
                        http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v11/y1889_049.htm
                        (Indeed. Very well written words.)

                        All the above are merely my views.
                        I can only have the hope that they are useful to some of the readers.



                        M. Sufilight


                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: Cass Silva
                        To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:06 AM
                        Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka



                        Nobody suggested that HPB closed down or had intentions to close down what she saw as the Exoteric TS. She simply walked away from it and formed her own esoteric chapter, which if I am not mistaken, was by invitation only.

                        Cass

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                        From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                        To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013 1:21 AM
                        Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka



                        Dear Jeremy and all readers

                        My views are:

                        Yes, but this "impulse" by Blavatsky and Olcott of what ever kind it was, was not an expression of forwarding an impulse on behalf of the Theosophical Society, because it was absolutely non-sectarian in its organizational structure. This "impulse" was merely forwarded on behalf of themselves. And this is important.

                        As I see it:
                        We have to distinguish the Theosophical Society from Esoteric Buddhism (in its pure form) organizationally speaking, although real Esoteric Buddhism - if it claim to be ethical - do give emphasis to a non-sectarian concept where no member are teaching the members (as leaders) on behalf of an Exoteric Society.
                        This is important and seems not to be given the needed ethical emphasis or is not being understood for its ethical importance in various Alice A. Bailey organizations.

                        Blavatsky wrote in the Key to Theosophy, p. 12-15 + 19:
                        "THEOSOPHY IS NOT BUDDHISM "
                        "Yet Theosophy is not Buddhism."
                        .......
                        " ENQUIRER. Which system do you prefer or follow, in that case, besides Buddhistic ethics?

                        THEOSOPHIST. None, and all. We hold to no religion, as to no philosophy in particular: we cull the good we find in each. But here, again, it must be stated that, like all other ancient systems, Theosophy is divided into Exoteric and Esoteric Sections. "
                        http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm#p12

                        So Blavatsky did not plan to close down the absolutely Non-Sectarian Theosophical Society. At least not in 1889, when this book was published.
                        And, as I recently showed in a post to Cass here on the forum, neither later in 1891. (See the footnotes by HPB in this article by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. and read by all means the article carefully - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm )
                        And there are plenty of info showing this to be true.

                        M. Sufilight

                        ----- Original Message -----
                        From: Jeremy Condick
                        To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 10:14 PM
                        Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                        Dear Morton, I agree in context with your thoughts on empty exoteric or dogmatic rituals or possibly lavish expressions of such. However your inclination to steer away from the intention does not serve the purpose of that fact that HPB and Olcott accomplished a great service at that time of inaugurating a "new impulse" to a time of ignorance in Buddhism in "its pure form" note that term Morton, and to the renewed confidence for the individual to 'express, teach and profess' themselves as Buddhists in public.

                        Buddhism as a "new impulse", "in its pure form," that is the point and has nothing to do with what you mind people celebrate, or not. With every new impulse there will be resurgence of lavish expression by the mass which is inevitable however the underlying theme of purity or pure form will have been established and remains for those who seek or understand. JPC.

                        "In the year 1880, Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott paid their first visit to Ceylon, and honestly and
                        publicly declared themselves Buddhists, and in furtherance of the dear wish of their heart they established
                        branches of the Theosophical Society in various parts of the Island. By their united endeavours, I must admit
                        that a new impulse has been given to Buddhism; so much so, that the many thousands of natives of the Island,
                        who had hitherto remained ignorant of Buddhism in its pure form, and those who were ashamed to declare
                        themselves Buddhists in public, have all begun to learn, teach and profess Buddhism most openly and
                        vigorously." BCW X 238.

                        > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                        > From: global-theosophy@...
                        > Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:38:34 +0200
                        > Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                        >
                        > Dear Jeremy
                        >
                        > interesting.
                        >
                        > I will quote the following from the passage CW Vol. X, p. 238:
                        > "The most enthusiastic and lavish manner in which the Buddhists of Ceylon celebrated the Wesak days of the past two years, cannot but fail to testify to their honest belief in Buddhism, and to the substantial work done by Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism. . . . .
                        > This is all correct, and the two above named personages feel proud to see their feeble services so well appreciated and remembered. But they would certainly feel still happier had the actual state of the moral standard in Ceylon-once the pearl of the Indian Ocean-been such as not to have necessitated the letter published in the same paper by a "Chela." This shows the reverse of the medal and mars somewhat the delight of those who have devoted their life to the noble work of spreading the philosophy of the great "Light of Asia." For, it is not the modern temple-Buddhism with all the excrescences that have crept into it, but verily the esoteric Budhism, * of the Lord Gautama, the BUDDHA, that the Founders had in view, when working for the REVIVAL OF BUDDHISM."
                        > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_097.htm
                        >
                        > And then I will add the following...
                        >
                        > About empty exoteric rituals we find that the co-founder H. P. Blavatsky is said to have written:
                        > "The T.S. was not created to propagate any dogma of any exoteric, ritualistic church, whether Buddhist, Brahmanical, or Christian. This idea is a wide-spread and general mistake; and that of the eminent Sanskritist is due to a self-evident source which misled him."
                        > (....Reading the whole article could be helpful...the rest of the article....is a different matter to exchange upon...)
                        > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_064.htm
                        >
                        >
                        > I do not mind that people celebarate what they like to celebrate.
                        > But I suggest that we do not think that Blavatsky strongly supported empty exoteric religious rituals.
                        > But each person will no doubt seek thier own view about these matters.
                        >
                        > All the above are just my views. They were forwarded as a possible help to the Seekers After Truth and Wisdom.
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > M. Sufilight
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message -----
                        > From: Jeremy Condick
                        > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:01 PM
                        > Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > The
                        > reference on Wesak, HPB and Col. Olcott CW X 238 in Ceylon which is
                        > now Sri Lanka, speaks of the "substantial work done by Madame
                        > Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism" and of their
                        > "new impulse" given to Buddhism there at that time 1880. As
                        > Sri lanka [changed from Ceylon May 22 1972] celebrates Wesak on the
                        > time of the full moon and as given today as May 17 for that location
                        > also, we might think that HPB and Col. Olcott indeed gave fresh
                        > impulse to the Wesak festival still celebrated there to this day at
                        > the correct lunar time and month of May, as indicated below.
                        >
                        > Buddhism was indeed reformed in its purest sense in spite of
                        > colonial power and indeed HPB and Olcott were known as 'white
                        > Buddhists" and were honoured as such. If initially, and I do not
                        > think this extended to long, wesak was subsequently recognised in
                        > April there, it was due to the British governor Sir Arthur Gordon for
                        > April 28, 1885, not HPB. However, the true time and recognition was
                        > practised by the native Sinhalese Buddhists.
                        >
                        > They [HPB and
                        > Olcott] made possible the public holiday or celebration recognised by
                        > the colonial rule and formed the "Buddhist education fund"
                        > also the "buddhist defence committee" of which Olcott was
                        > an honorary member and representative for Great Britain. We can but
                        > imagine the influence often not seen that such figures as HPB and
                        > Olcott had on the Wesak festival and other things throughout the
                        > world and indeed inaugurating its resurgence to the time of writing
                        > of Alice Bailey with the greatly expanded information on the
                        > spiritual festivals including the Wesak festival. JPC. posted twelve months prior on theos-talk.
                        >
                        > "The
                        > decision by the Theosophists to inaugurate the Buddhist Education
                        > Fund on the Wesak Poya (full moon day) of May 13, 1881 is one example
                        > of how useful the Wesak festival was as a tool for revitalizing
                        > Buddhism (Somaratna 6)."
                        >
                        > 20 Colonel Henry Steele Olcott was an American who, along
                        > with Madame Blavatsky, organized the Theosophical Society in 1875. He
                        > landed in Sri Lanka on 17 February 1875 (a day once celebrated as
                        > "Olcott Day" in Independent Sri Lanka) and proceeded to
                        > form the Buddhist Theosophical Society. He was influential in
                        > promoting a Buddhist revival in Sri Lanka (Fields 62).
                        >
                        > http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bVeaj5f0dOcJ:mrsp.mcgill.ca/reports/html/Wesak/index.htm+ceylon+wesak+date+1880&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk
                        >
                        > "Vesak is celebrated as a religious and a cultural
                        > festival in Sri Lanka on the full moon of the month of May, for a
                        > duration of one week." wikipedia
                        >
                        > "The government has
                        > declared May 14- 21 as the Vesak Week to coincide with the 2600th
                        > Sambuddathwa Jayanthi celebrations."
                        > "The Vesak year
                        > declared will be from May 17, 2011 this Year's Vesak Poya Day to next
                        > year's Vesak Poya Day."
                        >
                        > http://www.colombopage.com/archive_11/May15_1305480919CH.php
                        >
                        > "All Ceylon Buddhist Congress (ACBC) made elaborate
                        > arrangements to celebrate the forthcoming Sambuddhathwa Jayanthi
                        > Bauddhaloka Wesak religious festival for the 10th consecutive year,
                        > from 17th to 21st May 2011 along Bauddhaloka Mawatha, Colombo 7.
                        >
                        > Buddhist schools to participate in Vesak
                        > celebrations
                        >
                        > Priyanka
                        > Kurugala
                        >
                        > The
                        > Education Ministry will conduct a series of programmes to mark Vesak
                        > Week with the participation of Buddhist schools countrywide.
                        >
                        > The
                        > Education Ministry has informed Provincial Education Secretaries,
                        > Provincial Directors, Zonal Directors and Divisional Directors, Deans
                        > of National Education Faculties, Principals and teachers to conduct
                        > these programme in a fitting manner.
                        >
                        > Shramadana
                        > and environment conversation programmes will be held on May 2.
                        > Creation of Vesak decorations will be carried on May 3.
                        >
                        > A
                        > sill observation programme will be held on May 4.
                        >
                        > The
                        > programme will be held with the participation of schoolchildren and
                        > teachers in Buddhist schools. Displaying of Vesak decorations ,
                        > lighting Vesak lanterns and lamps, participating in religious
                        > activities in temples, dansal serving tea, herbal drinks, flower
                        > offerings and Vesak Bakthi Gee will be held at school level on May 5
                        > and 6.
                        >
                        > The
                        > certificate awarding ceremony for participants as well as teachers
                        > and schoolchildren will be held on May 8.
                        >
                        > 2012.
                        > http://www.dailynews.lk/2012/05/01/news12.asp
                        >
                        > > To: Theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                        > > From: mkr777@...
                        > > Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:15:04 -0500
                        > > Subject: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                        > >
                        > > Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
                        > > to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
                        > > Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
                        > > tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
                        > > the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
                        > > reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.
                        > >
                        > >
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                        > > http://groundviews.org/2013/05/20/beyond-nostalgia-children-of-olcott-must-revisit-history/
                        > > >
                        > >
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                      • Cass Silva
                        Without the Masters (Teachers) there would be no teaching to believe in. Cass ________________________________ From: M. Sufilight
                        Message 11 of 22 , May 22, 2013
                          Without the Masters (Teachers) there would be no teaching to believe in.
                          Cass


                          ________________________________
                          From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                          To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2013 1:18 AM
                          Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka



                           
                          Dear Cass

                          My views are:

                          Blavatsky is here in the below in agreement with Patterson on that the Exoteric Theosophical Society was not created so to have belief in the Masters as a requisite. See her footnote, where she for years have repeated this view. And since Blavatsky do not oppose Patterson in any of his words I find it difficult to think that she meant anything else. She in fact support his words early in the article in mention. See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 115, Feb. 1891.
                          And Blavatsky died only 3 months later. These are merely my views.

                          It is, as I see it, important to understand the non-sectarian nature of the Exoteric TS, and, also the Esoteric Section. The first have nobody forwarding a doctrine on behalf of its members. The latter had, but had it with an understanding of what non-sectarian organizations versus sectarian organizations were and still is, as concepts. There those who create what they call Esoteric Sections, and who do not understand the difference between sectarian organizations (where A DOCTRINE are forwarded on behalf of others - where forced beliefs pressure towards beliefs in the Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. ARE BEING USED or at least NOT clearly OPPOSED - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find UN-Ethical) and non-sectarian organizations (where NO doctrine are forwarded on behalf of others - where NONE are using forced beliefs in Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find
                          Ethical). These are however merely my views.

                          See here:
                          "COMMENTS ON “THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY AND H.P.B.”
                          by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. with comments by HPB in footnotes
                          [Lucifer, Vol. VII, No. 42, February, 1891, pp. 451-455]
                          (Inserted by M. Sufilight: http://www.theosopher.net/dzyan/lucifer/lucifer_v7_n42_february_1891.pdf )
                          " The honest materialist, the honest agnostic, the honest spiritualist, the honest christian-scientist, the honest dogmatic christian, may be an honest disbeliever in H. P. B. and the Masters, and an honest member of the Theosophical Society too, provided he is enlisted in the cause of humanity.† Let us hold the "
                          .......
                          [FOOTNOTE]
                          † I have repeated these words for years: it is my stereotyped answer to enquirers who ask me whether belief in the MASTERS is obligatory in joining the T. S.—[H. P. B.]
                          .......
                          "doors wide open; let us set up no unnecessary barriers, and let us wait outside until the last one has entered. We can thus best serve, thus best defend. This is not a policy of silence; it does not prevent our using pen and voice in defence of our beloved leader; but it should prevent making belief in her a qualification, even if an unwritten one, for membership in good standing in the Theosophical Society. There are now many good members who are doubters on this point. Don’t let us drive them away by intolerance."
                          http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm
                          (I suggest that one read this article carefully. Because it is very important to understand, when one seek to understand Blavatsky's stance on the Exoteric TS versus the Esoteric Section and their relations to each other.)

                          Anyone?

                          _____
                          And since Blavatsky in her Footnote claim to have - repeated these words for years - I find it hard to think that Blavatsky walked away from the Exoteric Section of the Theosophical Society. No, she merely formed the Esoteric Section because quite a number of the members of the Society requested it. This was also what she wrote here in the same article with links given in the above:
                          "Owing to the fact that a large number of Fellows of the Society have felt the necessity for the formation of a body of Esoteric students, to be organized on the ORIGINAL LINES devised by the real founders of the T.S." (See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 116, Feb. 1891 - See also BCW. Vol. XII, p. 481, Oct. 1888 - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v12/y1890_052.htm)

                          H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
                          "Because (a) Madame Blavatsky does not owe the slightest allegiance to a Council which is liable at any moment to issue silly and untheosophical ukases; and (b) for the simple reason that she recognizes but one person in the T.S. besides herself, namely Colonel Olcott, as having the right of effecting fundamental re-organizations in a Society which owes its life to them, and for which they are both karmically responsible. If the acting editor makes slight account of a sacred pledge, neither Col. Olcott nor H. P. Blavatsky are likely to do so. H. P. Blavatsky will always bow before the decision of the majority of a Section or even a simple Branch; but she will ever protest against the decision of the General Council, were it composed of Archangels and Dhyan Chohans themselves, if their decision seems to her unjust, or untheosophical, or fails to meet with the approval of the majority of the Fellows. No more than H. P. Blavatsky has the President-Founder
                          the right of exercising autocracy or papal powers, and Col. Olcott would be the last man in the world to attempt to do so. It is the two Founders and especially the President, who have virtually sworn allegiance to the Fellows, whom they have to protect, and teach those who want to be taught, and not to tyrannize and rule over them."
                          http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v11/y1889_049.htm
                          (Indeed. Very well written words.)

                          All the above are merely my views.
                          I can only have the hope that they are useful to some of the readers.

                          M. Sufilight

                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: Cass Silva
                          To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:06 AM
                          Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                          Nobody suggested that HPB closed down or had intentions to close down what she saw as the Exoteric TS. She simply walked away from it and formed her own esoteric chapter, which if I am not mistaken, was by invitation only.

                          Cass

                          ________________________________
                          From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                          To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013 1:21 AM
                          Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                          Dear Jeremy and all readers

                          My views are:

                          Yes, but this "impulse" by Blavatsky and Olcott of what ever kind it was, was not an expression of forwarding an impulse on behalf of the Theosophical Society, because it was absolutely non-sectarian in its organizational structure. This "impulse" was merely forwarded on behalf of themselves. And this is important.

                          As I see it:
                          We have to distinguish the Theosophical Society from Esoteric Buddhism (in its pure form) organizationally speaking, although real Esoteric Buddhism - if it claim to be ethical - do give emphasis to a non-sectarian concept where no member are teaching the members (as leaders) on behalf of an Exoteric Society.
                          This is important and seems not to be given the needed ethical emphasis or is not being understood for its ethical importance in various Alice A. Bailey organizations.

                          Blavatsky wrote in the Key to Theosophy, p. 12-15 + 19:
                          "THEOSOPHY IS NOT BUDDHISM "
                          "Yet Theosophy is not Buddhism."
                          .......
                          " ENQUIRER. Which system do you prefer or follow, in that case, besides Buddhistic ethics?

                          THEOSOPHIST. None, and all. We hold to no religion, as to no philosophy in particular: we cull the good we find in each. But here, again, it must be stated that, like all other ancient systems, Theosophy is divided into Exoteric and Esoteric Sections. "
                          http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm#p12

                          So Blavatsky did not plan to close down the absolutely Non-Sectarian Theosophical Society. At least not in 1889, when this book was published.
                          And, as I recently showed in a post to Cass here on the forum, neither later in 1891. (See the footnotes by HPB in this article by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. and read by all means the article carefully - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm )
                          And there are plenty of info showing this to be true.

                          M. Sufilight

                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: Jeremy Condick
                          To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                          Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 10:14 PM
                          Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                          Dear Morton, I agree in context with your thoughts on empty exoteric or dogmatic rituals or possibly lavish expressions of such. However your inclination to steer away from the intention does not serve the purpose of that fact that HPB and Olcott accomplished a great service at that time of inaugurating a "new impulse" to a time of ignorance in Buddhism in "its pure form" note that term Morton, and to the renewed confidence for the individual to 'express, teach and profess' themselves as Buddhists in public.

                          Buddhism as a "new impulse", "in its pure form," that is the point and has nothing to do with what you mind people celebrate, or not. With every new impulse there will be resurgence of lavish expression by the mass which is inevitable however the underlying theme of purity or pure form will have been established and remains for those who seek or understand. JPC.

                          "In the year 1880, Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott paid their first visit to Ceylon, and honestly and
                          publicly declared themselves Buddhists, and in furtherance of the dear wish of their heart they established
                          branches of the Theosophical Society in various parts of the Island. By their united endeavours, I must admit
                          that a new impulse has been given to Buddhism; so much so, that the many thousands of natives of the Island,
                          who had hitherto remained ignorant of Buddhism in its pure form, and those who were ashamed to declare
                          themselves Buddhists in public, have all begun to learn, teach and profess Buddhism most openly and
                          vigorously." BCW X 238.

                          > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                          > From: global-theosophy@...
                          > Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:38:34 +0200
                          > Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                          >
                          > Dear Jeremy
                          >
                          > interesting.
                          >
                          > I will quote the following from the passage CW Vol. X, p. 238:
                          > "The most enthusiastic and lavish manner in which the Buddhists of Ceylon celebrated the Wesak days of the past two years, cannot but fail to testify to their honest belief in Buddhism, and to the substantial work done by Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism. . . . .
                          > This is all correct, and the two above named personages feel proud to see their feeble services so well appreciated and remembered. But they would certainly feel still happier had the actual state of the moral standard in Ceylon-once the pearl of the Indian Ocean-been such as not to have necessitated the letter published in the same paper by a "Chela." This shows the reverse of the medal and mars somewhat the delight of those who have devoted their life to the noble work of spreading the philosophy of the great "Light of Asia." For, it is not the modern temple-Buddhism with all the excrescences that have crept into it, but verily the esoteric Budhism, * of the Lord Gautama, the BUDDHA, that the Founders had in view, when working for the REVIVAL OF BUDDHISM."
                          > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_097.htm
                          >
                          > And then I will add the following...
                          >
                          > About empty exoteric rituals we find that the co-founder H. P. Blavatsky is said to have written:
                          > "The T.S. was not created to propagate any dogma of any exoteric, ritualistic church, whether Buddhist, Brahmanical, or Christian. This idea is a wide-spread and general mistake; and that of the eminent Sanskritist is due to a self-evident source which misled him."
                          > (....Reading the whole article could be helpful...the rest of the article....is a different matter to exchange upon...)
                          > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_064.htm
                          >
                          >
                          > I do not mind that people celebarate what they like to celebrate.
                          > But I suggest that we do not think that Blavatsky strongly supported empty exoteric religious rituals.
                          > But each person will no doubt seek thier own view about these matters.
                          >
                          > All the above are just my views. They were forwarded as a possible help to the Seekers After Truth and Wisdom.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > M. Sufilight
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > ----- Original Message -----
                          > From: Jeremy Condick
                          > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                          > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:01 PM
                          > Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > The
                          > reference on Wesak, HPB and Col. Olcott CW X 238 in Ceylon which is
                          > now Sri Lanka, speaks of the "substantial work done by Madame
                          > Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism" and of their
                          > "new impulse" given to Buddhism there at that time 1880. As
                          > Sri lanka [changed from Ceylon May 22 1972] celebrates Wesak on the
                          > time of the full moon and as given today as May 17 for that location
                          > also, we might think that HPB and Col. Olcott indeed gave fresh
                          > impulse to the Wesak festival still celebrated there to this day at
                          > the correct lunar time and month of May, as indicated below.
                          >
                          > Buddhism was indeed reformed in its purest sense in spite of
                          > colonial power and indeed HPB and Olcott were known as 'white
                          > Buddhists" and were honoured as such. If initially, and I do not
                          > think this extended to long, wesak was subsequently recognised in
                          > April there, it was due to the British governor Sir Arthur Gordon for
                          > April 28, 1885, not HPB. However, the true time and recognition was
                          > practised by the native Sinhalese Buddhists.
                          >
                          > They [HPB and
                          > Olcott] made possible the public holiday or celebration recognised by
                          > the colonial rule and formed the "Buddhist education fund"
                          > also the "buddhist defence committee" of which Olcott was
                          > an honorary member and representative for Great Britain. We can but
                          > imagine the influence often not seen that such figures as HPB and
                          > Olcott had on the Wesak festival and other things throughout the
                          > world and indeed inaugurating its resurgence to the time of writing
                          > of Alice Bailey with the greatly expanded information on the
                          > spiritual festivals including the Wesak festival. JPC. posted twelve months prior on theos-talk.
                          >
                          > "The
                          > decision by the Theosophists to inaugurate the Buddhist Education
                          > Fund on the Wesak Poya (full moon day) of May 13, 1881 is one example
                          > of how useful the Wesak festival was as a tool for revitalizing
                          > Buddhism (Somaratna 6)."
                          >
                          > 20 Colonel Henry Steele Olcott was an American who, along
                          > with Madame Blavatsky, organized the Theosophical Society in 1875. He
                          > landed in Sri Lanka on 17 February 1875 (a day once celebrated as
                          > "Olcott Day" in Independent Sri Lanka) and proceeded to
                          > form the Buddhist Theosophical Society. He was influential in
                          > promoting a Buddhist revival in Sri Lanka (Fields 62).
                          >
                          > http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bVeaj5f0dOcJ:mrsp.mcgill.ca/reports/html/Wesak/index.htm+ceylon+wesak+date+1880&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk
                          >
                          > "Vesak is celebrated as a religious and a cultural
                          > festival in Sri Lanka on the full moon of the month of May, for a
                          > duration of one week." wikipedia
                          >
                          > "The government has
                          > declared May 14- 21 as the Vesak Week to coincide with the 2600th
                          > Sambuddathwa Jayanthi celebrations."
                          > "The Vesak year
                          > declared will be from May 17, 2011 this Year's Vesak Poya Day to next
                          > year's Vesak Poya Day."
                          >
                          > http://www.colombopage.com/archive_11/May15_1305480919CH.php
                          >
                          > "All Ceylon Buddhist Congress (ACBC) made elaborate
                          > arrangements to celebrate the forthcoming Sambuddhathwa Jayanthi
                          > Bauddhaloka Wesak religious festival for the 10th consecutive year,
                          > from 17th to 21st May 2011 along Bauddhaloka Mawatha, Colombo 7.
                          >
                          > Buddhist schools to participate in Vesak
                          > celebrations
                          >
                          > Priyanka
                          > Kurugala
                          >
                          > The
                          > Education Ministry will conduct a series of programmes to mark Vesak
                          > Week with the participation of Buddhist schools countrywide.
                          >
                          > The
                          > Education Ministry has informed Provincial Education Secretaries,
                          > Provincial Directors, Zonal Directors and Divisional Directors, Deans
                          > of National Education Faculties, Principals and teachers to conduct
                          > these programme in a fitting manner.
                          >
                          > Shramadana
                          > and environment conversation programmes will be held on May 2.
                          > Creation of Vesak decorations will be carried on May 3.
                          >
                          > A
                          > sill observation programme will be held on May 4.
                          >
                          > The
                          > programme will be held with the participation of schoolchildren and
                          > teachers in Buddhist schools. Displaying of Vesak decorations ,
                          > lighting Vesak lanterns and lamps, participating in religious
                          > activities in temples, dansal serving tea, herbal drinks, flower
                          > offerings and Vesak Bakthi Gee will be held at school level on May 5
                          > and 6.
                          >
                          > The
                          > certificate awarding ceremony for participants as well as teachers
                          > and schoolchildren will be held on May 8.
                          >
                          > 2012.
                          > http://www.dailynews.lk/2012/05/01/news12.asp
                          >
                          > > To: Theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                          > > From: mkr777@...
                          > > Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:15:04 -0500
                          > > Subject: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                          > >
                          > > Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
                          > > to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
                          > > Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
                          > > tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
                          > > the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
                          > > reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.
                          > >
                          > >
                          > >
                          > > <
                          > > http://groundviews.org/2013/05/20/beyond-nostalgia-children-of-olcott-must-revisit-history/
                          > > >
                          > >
                          > > MKR
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                        • M. Sufilight
                          Dear Cass My views are: Are you sure about this? I find your claim or view somewhat illogical. And I think you will realize it by some afterthought. The
                          Message 12 of 22 , May 23, 2013
                            Dear Cass

                            My views are:

                            Are you sure about this?
                            I find your claim or view somewhat illogical. And I think you will realize it by some afterthought.

                            The Theosophical Society is as about wisdom and knowledge not merely beliefs, dogmatism, and certainly not fanatical beliefs about Masters of various names, new or old. And in a non-Sectarian Theosophical Society each member were (and hopefully still are) entitled to his or her own views about Masters and forwarding his or her own individual (organizationally non-sectarian) teachings about Masters. A non-Sectarian Theosophical Society does not exclude individuals having exchanges upon Masters and what they might be or not be, and whether they exist or do not exist. - And let us have the Coulomb scandal in mind, when the masters almost became a term not allowed to be mentioned in the TS.

                            (I will add: But the promulgation of continous false claims about the Theosophical Society (for instance - picturing is it as being a sectarian belief in Master KH and Morya of Blavatsky's version - or something else or similar), and the same about persons and their views about masters and false claims about masters, where one have recognized ones own views on this as false, --- and then despite this keep promoting these false views and claims - sometimes by selling books on such falsehoods are not acceptable as far as I am concerned. --- Let those who recognize the authors which is within this frame understand what I am talking about. And I will allow myself to protest against such persons and authors. And let them tell me that I attack them when I protest, and I will tell them that their mouth lies because they are unethical and claim for themselves the right to attack others and will not allow others to defend against perceived falsehood, not even in a well meant philosophical exchange about the matter - seeking truth for truth sake and altruism.)




                            M. Sufilight


                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: Cass Silva
                            To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:26 AM
                            Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka



                            Without the Masters (Teachers) there would be no teaching to believe in.
                            Cass

                            ________________________________
                            From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                            To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2013 1:18 AM
                            Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka



                            Dear Cass

                            My views are:

                            Blavatsky is here in the below in agreement with Patterson on that the Exoteric Theosophical Society was not created so to have belief in the Masters as a requisite. See her footnote, where she for years have repeated this view. And since Blavatsky do not oppose Patterson in any of his words I find it difficult to think that she meant anything else. She in fact support his words early in the article in mention. See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 115, Feb. 1891.
                            And Blavatsky died only 3 months later. These are merely my views.

                            It is, as I see it, important to understand the non-sectarian nature of the Exoteric TS, and, also the Esoteric Section. The first have nobody forwarding a doctrine on behalf of its members. The latter had, but had it with an understanding of what non-sectarian organizations versus sectarian organizations were and still is, as concepts. There those who create what they call Esoteric Sections, and who do not understand the difference between sectarian organizations (where A DOCTRINE are forwarded on behalf of others - where forced beliefs pressure towards beliefs in the Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. ARE BEING USED or at least NOT clearly OPPOSED - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find UN-Ethical) and non-sectarian organizations (where NO doctrine are forwarded on behalf of others - where NONE are using forced beliefs in Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find
                            Ethical). These are however merely my views.

                            See here:
                            "COMMENTS ON “THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY AND H.P.B.”
                            by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. with comments by HPB in footnotes
                            [Lucifer, Vol. VII, No. 42, February, 1891, pp. 451-455]
                            (Inserted by M. Sufilight: http://www.theosopher.net/dzyan/lucifer/lucifer_v7_n42_february_1891.pdf )
                            " The honest materialist, the honest agnostic, the honest spiritualist, the honest christian-scientist, the honest dogmatic christian, may be an honest disbeliever in H. P. B. and the Masters, and an honest member of the Theosophical Society too, provided he is enlisted in the cause of humanity.† Let us hold the "
                            .......
                            [FOOTNOTE]
                            † I have repeated these words for years: it is my stereotyped answer to enquirers who ask me whether belief in the MASTERS is obligatory in joining the T. S.—[H. P. B.]
                            .......
                            "doors wide open; let us set up no unnecessary barriers, and let us wait outside until the last one has entered. We can thus best serve, thus best defend. This is not a policy of silence; it does not prevent our using pen and voice in defence of our beloved leader; but it should prevent making belief in her a qualification, even if an unwritten one, for membership in good standing in the Theosophical Society. There are now many good members who are doubters on this point. Don’t let us drive them away by intolerance."
                            http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm
                            (I suggest that one read this article carefully. Because it is very important to understand, when one seek to understand Blavatsky's stance on the Exoteric TS versus the Esoteric Section and their relations to each other.)

                            Anyone?

                            _____
                            And since Blavatsky in her Footnote claim to have - repeated these words for years - I find it hard to think that Blavatsky walked away from the Exoteric Section of the Theosophical Society. No, she merely formed the Esoteric Section because quite a number of the members of the Society requested it. This was also what she wrote here in the same article with links given in the above:
                            "Owing to the fact that a large number of Fellows of the Society have felt the necessity for the formation of a body of Esoteric students, to be organized on the ORIGINAL LINES devised by the real founders of the T.S." (See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 116, Feb. 1891 - See also BCW. Vol. XII, p. 481, Oct. 1888 - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v12/y1890_052.htm)

                            H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
                            "Because (a) Madame Blavatsky does not owe the slightest allegiance to a Council which is liable at any moment to issue silly and untheosophical ukases; and (b) for the simple reason that she recognizes but one person in the T.S. besides herself, namely Colonel Olcott, as having the right of effecting fundamental re-organizations in a Society which owes its life to them, and for which they are both karmically responsible. If the acting editor makes slight account of a sacred pledge, neither Col. Olcott nor H. P. Blavatsky are likely to do so. H. P. Blavatsky will always bow before the decision of the majority of a Section or even a simple Branch; but she will ever protest against the decision of the General Council, were it composed of Archangels and Dhyan Chohans themselves, if their decision seems to her unjust, or untheosophical, or fails to meet with the approval of the majority of the Fellows. No more than H. P. Blavatsky has the President-Founder
                            the right of exercising autocracy or papal powers, and Col. Olcott would be the last man in the world to attempt to do so. It is the two Founders and especially the President, who have virtually sworn allegiance to the Fellows, whom they have to protect, and teach those who want to be taught, and not to tyrannize and rule over them."
                            http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v11/y1889_049.htm
                            (Indeed. Very well written words.)

                            All the above are merely my views.
                            I can only have the hope that they are useful to some of the readers.

                            M. Sufilight

                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: Cass Silva
                            To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:06 AM
                            Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                            Nobody suggested that HPB closed down or had intentions to close down what she saw as the Exoteric TS. She simply walked away from it and formed her own esoteric chapter, which if I am not mistaken, was by invitation only.

                            Cass

                            ________________________________
                            From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                            To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013 1:21 AM
                            Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                            Dear Jeremy and all readers

                            My views are:

                            Yes, but this "impulse" by Blavatsky and Olcott of what ever kind it was, was not an expression of forwarding an impulse on behalf of the Theosophical Society, because it was absolutely non-sectarian in its organizational structure. This "impulse" was merely forwarded on behalf of themselves. And this is important.

                            As I see it:
                            We have to distinguish the Theosophical Society from Esoteric Buddhism (in its pure form) organizationally speaking, although real Esoteric Buddhism - if it claim to be ethical - do give emphasis to a non-sectarian concept where no member are teaching the members (as leaders) on behalf of an Exoteric Society.
                            This is important and seems not to be given the needed ethical emphasis or is not being understood for its ethical importance in various Alice A. Bailey organizations.

                            Blavatsky wrote in the Key to Theosophy, p. 12-15 + 19:
                            "THEOSOPHY IS NOT BUDDHISM "
                            "Yet Theosophy is not Buddhism."
                            .......
                            " ENQUIRER. Which system do you prefer or follow, in that case, besides Buddhistic ethics?

                            THEOSOPHIST. None, and all. We hold to no religion, as to no philosophy in particular: we cull the good we find in each. But here, again, it must be stated that, like all other ancient systems, Theosophy is divided into Exoteric and Esoteric Sections. "
                            http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm#p12

                            So Blavatsky did not plan to close down the absolutely Non-Sectarian Theosophical Society. At least not in 1889, when this book was published.
                            And, as I recently showed in a post to Cass here on the forum, neither later in 1891. (See the footnotes by HPB in this article by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. and read by all means the article carefully - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm )
                            And there are plenty of info showing this to be true.

                            M. Sufilight

                            ----- Original Message -----
                            From: Jeremy Condick
                            To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                            Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 10:14 PM
                            Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                            Dear Morton, I agree in context with your thoughts on empty exoteric or dogmatic rituals or possibly lavish expressions of such. However your inclination to steer away from the intention does not serve the purpose of that fact that HPB and Olcott accomplished a great service at that time of inaugurating a "new impulse" to a time of ignorance in Buddhism in "its pure form" note that term Morton, and to the renewed confidence for the individual to 'express, teach and profess' themselves as Buddhists in public.

                            Buddhism as a "new impulse", "in its pure form," that is the point and has nothing to do with what you mind people celebrate, or not. With every new impulse there will be resurgence of lavish expression by the mass which is inevitable however the underlying theme of purity or pure form will have been established and remains for those who seek or understand. JPC.

                            "In the year 1880, Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott paid their first visit to Ceylon, and honestly and
                            publicly declared themselves Buddhists, and in furtherance of the dear wish of their heart they established
                            branches of the Theosophical Society in various parts of the Island. By their united endeavours, I must admit
                            that a new impulse has been given to Buddhism; so much so, that the many thousands of natives of the Island,
                            who had hitherto remained ignorant of Buddhism in its pure form, and those who were ashamed to declare
                            themselves Buddhists in public, have all begun to learn, teach and profess Buddhism most openly and
                            vigorously." BCW X 238.

                            > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                            > From: global-theosophy@...
                            > Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:38:34 +0200
                            > Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                            >
                            > Dear Jeremy
                            >
                            > interesting.
                            >
                            > I will quote the following from the passage CW Vol. X, p. 238:
                            > "The most enthusiastic and lavish manner in which the Buddhists of Ceylon celebrated the Wesak days of the past two years, cannot but fail to testify to their honest belief in Buddhism, and to the substantial work done by Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism. . . . .
                            > This is all correct, and the two above named personages feel proud to see their feeble services so well appreciated and remembered. But they would certainly feel still happier had the actual state of the moral standard in Ceylon-once the pearl of the Indian Ocean-been such as not to have necessitated the letter published in the same paper by a "Chela." This shows the reverse of the medal and mars somewhat the delight of those who have devoted their life to the noble work of spreading the philosophy of the great "Light of Asia." For, it is not the modern temple-Buddhism with all the excrescences that have crept into it, but verily the esoteric Budhism, * of the Lord Gautama, the BUDDHA, that the Founders had in view, when working for the REVIVAL OF BUDDHISM."
                            > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_097.htm
                            >
                            > And then I will add the following...
                            >
                            > About empty exoteric rituals we find that the co-founder H. P. Blavatsky is said to have written:
                            > "The T.S. was not created to propagate any dogma of any exoteric, ritualistic church, whether Buddhist, Brahmanical, or Christian. This idea is a wide-spread and general mistake; and that of the eminent Sanskritist is due to a self-evident source which misled him."
                            > (....Reading the whole article could be helpful...the rest of the article....is a different matter to exchange upon...)
                            > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_064.htm
                            >
                            >
                            > I do not mind that people celebarate what they like to celebrate.
                            > But I suggest that we do not think that Blavatsky strongly supported empty exoteric religious rituals.
                            > But each person will no doubt seek thier own view about these matters.
                            >
                            > All the above are just my views. They were forwarded as a possible help to the Seekers After Truth and Wisdom.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > M. Sufilight
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > ----- Original Message -----
                            > From: Jeremy Condick
                            > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                            > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:01 PM
                            > Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > The
                            > reference on Wesak, HPB and Col. Olcott CW X 238 in Ceylon which is
                            > now Sri Lanka, speaks of the "substantial work done by Madame
                            > Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism" and of their
                            > "new impulse" given to Buddhism there at that time 1880. As
                            > Sri lanka [changed from Ceylon May 22 1972] celebrates Wesak on the
                            > time of the full moon and as given today as May 17 for that location
                            > also, we might think that HPB and Col. Olcott indeed gave fresh
                            > impulse to the Wesak festival still celebrated there to this day at
                            > the correct lunar time and month of May, as indicated below.
                            >
                            > Buddhism was indeed reformed in its purest sense in spite of
                            > colonial power and indeed HPB and Olcott were known as 'white
                            > Buddhists" and were honoured as such. If initially, and I do not
                            > think this extended to long, wesak was subsequently recognised in
                            > April there, it was due to the British governor Sir Arthur Gordon for
                            > April 28, 1885, not HPB. However, the true time and recognition was
                            > practised by the native Sinhalese Buddhists.
                            >
                            > They [HPB and
                            > Olcott] made possible the public holiday or celebration recognised by
                            > the colonial rule and formed the "Buddhist education fund"
                            > also the "buddhist defence committee" of which Olcott was
                            > an honorary member and representative for Great Britain. We can but
                            > imagine the influence often not seen that such figures as HPB and
                            > Olcott had on the Wesak festival and other things throughout the
                            > world and indeed inaugurating its resurgence to the time of writing
                            > of Alice Bailey with the greatly expanded information on the
                            > spiritual festivals including the Wesak festival. JPC. posted twelve months prior on theos-talk.
                            >
                            > "The
                            > decision by the Theosophists to inaugurate the Buddhist Education
                            > Fund on the Wesak Poya (full moon day) of May 13, 1881 is one example
                            > of how useful the Wesak festival was as a tool for revitalizing
                            > Buddhism (Somaratna 6)."
                            >
                            > 20 Colonel Henry Steele Olcott was an American who, along
                            > with Madame Blavatsky, organized the Theosophical Society in 1875. He
                            > landed in Sri Lanka on 17 February 1875 (a day once celebrated as
                            > "Olcott Day" in Independent Sri Lanka) and proceeded to
                            > form the Buddhist Theosophical Society. He was influential in
                            > promoting a Buddhist revival in Sri Lanka (Fields 62).
                            >
                            > http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bVeaj5f0dOcJ:mrsp.mcgill.ca/reports/html/Wesak/index.htm+ceylon+wesak+date+1880&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk
                            >
                            > "Vesak is celebrated as a religious and a cultural
                            > festival in Sri Lanka on the full moon of the month of May, for a
                            > duration of one week." wikipedia
                            >
                            > "The government has
                            > declared May 14- 21 as the Vesak Week to coincide with the 2600th
                            > Sambuddathwa Jayanthi celebrations."
                            > "The Vesak year
                            > declared will be from May 17, 2011 this Year's Vesak Poya Day to next
                            > year's Vesak Poya Day."
                            >
                            > http://www.colombopage.com/archive_11/May15_1305480919CH.php
                            >
                            > "All Ceylon Buddhist Congress (ACBC) made elaborate
                            > arrangements to celebrate the forthcoming Sambuddhathwa Jayanthi
                            > Bauddhaloka Wesak religious festival for the 10th consecutive year,
                            > from 17th to 21st May 2011 along Bauddhaloka Mawatha, Colombo 7.
                            >
                            > Buddhist schools to participate in Vesak
                            > celebrations
                            >
                            > Priyanka
                            > Kurugala
                            >
                            > The
                            > Education Ministry will conduct a series of programmes to mark Vesak
                            > Week with the participation of Buddhist schools countrywide.
                            >
                            > The
                            > Education Ministry has informed Provincial Education Secretaries,
                            > Provincial Directors, Zonal Directors and Divisional Directors, Deans
                            > of National Education Faculties, Principals and teachers to conduct
                            > these programme in a fitting manner.
                            >
                            > Shramadana
                            > and environment conversation programmes will be held on May 2.
                            > Creation of Vesak decorations will be carried on May 3.
                            >
                            > A
                            > sill observation programme will be held on May 4.
                            >
                            > The
                            > programme will be held with the participation of schoolchildren and
                            > teachers in Buddhist schools. Displaying of Vesak decorations ,
                            > lighting Vesak lanterns and lamps, participating in religious
                            > activities in temples, dansal serving tea, herbal drinks, flower
                            > offerings and Vesak Bakthi Gee will be held at school level on May 5
                            > and 6.
                            >
                            > The
                            > certificate awarding ceremony for participants as well as teachers
                            > and schoolchildren will be held on May 8.
                            >
                            > 2012.
                            > http://www.dailynews.lk/2012/05/01/news12.asp
                            >
                            > > To: Theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                            > > From: mkr777@...
                            > > Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:15:04 -0500
                            > > Subject: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                            > >
                            > > Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
                            > > to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
                            > > Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
                            > > tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
                            > > the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
                            > > reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > <
                            > > http://groundviews.org/2013/05/20/beyond-nostalgia-children-of-olcott-must-revisit-history/
                            > > >
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                          • Cass Silva
                            OK perhaps believe in was the wrong wording, should have been, there would be no teaching to study .  HPB linked herself with the Masters therefore there
                            Message 13 of 22 , May 23, 2013
                              OK perhaps 'believe in' was the wrong wording, should have been, there would be 'no teaching to study'.  HPB linked herself with the Masters therefore there is a link with them and Leadbeater and Besant were aware of this hence their illusionary so called contact with them as some sort of proof of Leadbeater's integrity.

                              If one is to study what HPB left us, how can one do so, without acknowledging that she received this knowledge from them.  To deny their existence makes a liar out of HPB.!

                              Cass




                              ________________________________
                              From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                              To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Friday, 24 May 2013 1:51 AM
                              Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka



                               
                              Dear Cass

                              My views are:

                              Are you sure about this?
                              I find your claim or view somewhat illogical. And I think you will realize it by some afterthought.

                              The Theosophical Society is as about wisdom and knowledge not merely beliefs, dogmatism, and certainly not fanatical beliefs about Masters of various names, new or old. And in a non-Sectarian Theosophical Society each member were (and hopefully still are) entitled to his or her own views about Masters and forwarding his or her own individual (organizationally non-sectarian) teachings about Masters. A non-Sectarian Theosophical Society does not exclude individuals having exchanges upon Masters and what they might be or not be, and whether they exist or do not exist. - And let us have the Coulomb scandal in mind, when the masters almost became a term not allowed to be mentioned in the TS.

                              (I will add: But the promulgation of continous false claims about the Theosophical Society (for instance - picturing is it as being a sectarian belief in Master KH and Morya of Blavatsky's version - or something else or similar), and the same about persons and their views about masters and false claims about masters, where one have recognized ones own views on this as false, --- and then despite this keep promoting these false views and claims - sometimes by selling books on such falsehoods are not acceptable as far as I am concerned. --- Let those who recognize the authors which is within this frame understand what I am talking about. And I will allow myself to protest against such persons and authors. And let them tell me that I attack them when I protest, and I will tell them that their mouth lies because they are unethical and claim for themselves the right to attack others and will not allow others to defend against perceived falsehood, not even in
                              a well meant philosophical exchange about the matter - seeking truth for truth sake and altruism.)

                              M. Sufilight

                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: Cass Silva
                              To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:26 AM
                              Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                              Without the Masters (Teachers) there would be no teaching to believe in.
                              Cass

                              ________________________________
                              From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                              To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2013 1:18 AM
                              Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                              Dear Cass

                              My views are:

                              Blavatsky is here in the below in agreement with Patterson on that the Exoteric Theosophical Society was not created so to have belief in the Masters as a requisite. See her footnote, where she for years have repeated this view. And since Blavatsky do not oppose Patterson in any of his words I find it difficult to think that she meant anything else. She in fact support his words early in the article in mention. See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 115, Feb. 1891.
                              And Blavatsky died only 3 months later. These are merely my views.

                              It is, as I see it, important to understand the non-sectarian nature of the Exoteric TS, and, also the Esoteric Section. The first have nobody forwarding a doctrine on behalf of its members. The latter had, but had it with an understanding of what non-sectarian organizations versus sectarian organizations were and still is, as concepts. There those who create what they call Esoteric Sections, and who do not understand the difference between sectarian organizations (where A DOCTRINE are forwarded on behalf of others - where forced beliefs pressure towards beliefs in the Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. ARE BEING USED or at least NOT clearly OPPOSED - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find UN-Ethical) and non-sectarian organizations (where NO doctrine are forwarded on behalf of others - where NONE are using forced beliefs in Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find
                              Ethical). These are however merely my views.

                              See here:
                              "COMMENTS ON “THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY AND H.P.B.”
                              by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. with comments by HPB in footnotes
                              [Lucifer, Vol. VII, No. 42, February, 1891, pp. 451-455]
                              (Inserted by M. Sufilight: http://www.theosopher.net/dzyan/lucifer/lucifer_v7_n42_february_1891.pdf )
                              " The honest materialist, the honest agnostic, the honest spiritualist, the honest christian-scientist, the honest dogmatic christian, may be an honest disbeliever in H. P. B. and the Masters, and an honest member of the Theosophical Society too, provided he is enlisted in the cause of humanity.† Let us hold the "
                              .......
                              [FOOTNOTE]
                              † I have repeated these words for years: it is my stereotyped answer to enquirers who ask me whether belief in the MASTERS is obligatory in joining the T. S.—[H. P. B.]
                              .......
                              "doors wide open; let us set up no unnecessary barriers, and let us wait outside until the last one has entered. We can thus best serve, thus best defend. This is not a policy of silence; it does not prevent our using pen and voice in defence of our beloved leader; but it should prevent making belief in her a qualification, even if an unwritten one, for membership in good standing in the Theosophical Society. There are now many good members who are doubters on this point. Don’t let us drive them away by intolerance."
                              http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm
                              (I suggest that one read this article carefully. Because it is very important to understand, when one seek to understand Blavatsky's stance on the Exoteric TS versus the Esoteric Section and their relations to each other.)

                              Anyone?

                              _____
                              And since Blavatsky in her Footnote claim to have - repeated these words for years - I find it hard to think that Blavatsky walked away from the Exoteric Section of the Theosophical Society. No, she merely formed the Esoteric Section because quite a number of the members of the Society requested it. This was also what she wrote here in the same article with links given in the above:
                              "Owing to the fact that a large number of Fellows of the Society have felt the necessity for the formation of a body of Esoteric students, to be organized on the ORIGINAL LINES devised by the real founders of the T.S." (See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 116, Feb. 1891 - See also BCW. Vol. XII, p. 481, Oct. 1888 - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v12/y1890_052.htm)

                              H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
                              "Because (a) Madame Blavatsky does not owe the slightest allegiance to a Council which is liable at any moment to issue silly and untheosophical ukases; and (b) for the simple reason that she recognizes but one person in the T.S. besides herself, namely Colonel Olcott, as having the right of effecting fundamental re-organizations in a Society which owes its life to them, and for which they are both karmically responsible. If the acting editor makes slight account of a sacred pledge, neither Col. Olcott nor H. P. Blavatsky are likely to do so. H. P. Blavatsky will always bow before the decision of the majority of a Section or even a simple Branch; but she will ever protest against the decision of the General Council, were it composed of Archangels and Dhyan Chohans themselves, if their decision seems to her unjust, or untheosophical, or fails to meet with the approval of the majority of the Fellows. No more than H. P. Blavatsky has the President-Founder
                              the right of exercising autocracy or papal powers, and Col. Olcott would be the last man in the world to attempt to do so. It is the two Founders and especially the President, who have virtually sworn allegiance to the Fellows, whom they have to protect, and teach those who want to be taught, and not to tyrannize and rule over them."
                              http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v11/y1889_049.htm
                              (Indeed. Very well written words.)

                              All the above are merely my views.
                              I can only have the hope that they are useful to some of the readers.

                              M. Sufilight

                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: Cass Silva
                              To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:06 AM
                              Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                              Nobody suggested that HPB closed down or had intentions to close down what she saw as the Exoteric TS. She simply walked away from it and formed her own esoteric chapter, which if I am not mistaken, was by invitation only.

                              Cass

                              ________________________________
                              From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                              To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013 1:21 AM
                              Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                              Dear Jeremy and all readers

                              My views are:

                              Yes, but this "impulse" by Blavatsky and Olcott of what ever kind it was, was not an expression of forwarding an impulse on behalf of the Theosophical Society, because it was absolutely non-sectarian in its organizational structure. This "impulse" was merely forwarded on behalf of themselves. And this is important.

                              As I see it:
                              We have to distinguish the Theosophical Society from Esoteric Buddhism (in its pure form) organizationally speaking, although real Esoteric Buddhism - if it claim to be ethical - do give emphasis to a non-sectarian concept where no member are teaching the members (as leaders) on behalf of an Exoteric Society.
                              This is important and seems not to be given the needed ethical emphasis or is not being understood for its ethical importance in various Alice A. Bailey organizations.

                              Blavatsky wrote in the Key to Theosophy, p. 12-15 + 19:
                              "THEOSOPHY IS NOT BUDDHISM "
                              "Yet Theosophy is not Buddhism."
                              .......
                              " ENQUIRER. Which system do you prefer or follow, in that case, besides Buddhistic ethics?

                              THEOSOPHIST. None, and all. We hold to no religion, as to no philosophy in particular: we cull the good we find in each. But here, again, it must be stated that, like all other ancient systems, Theosophy is divided into Exoteric and Esoteric Sections. "
                              http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm#p12

                              So Blavatsky did not plan to close down the absolutely Non-Sectarian Theosophical Society. At least not in 1889, when this book was published.
                              And, as I recently showed in a post to Cass here on the forum, neither later in 1891. (See the footnotes by HPB in this article by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. and read by all means the article carefully - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm )
                              And there are plenty of info showing this to be true.

                              M. Sufilight

                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: Jeremy Condick
                              To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                              Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 10:14 PM
                              Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                              Dear Morton, I agree in context with your thoughts on empty exoteric or dogmatic rituals or possibly lavish expressions of such. However your inclination to steer away from the intention does not serve the purpose of that fact that HPB and Olcott accomplished a great service at that time of inaugurating a "new impulse" to a time of ignorance in Buddhism in "its pure form" note that term Morton, and to the renewed confidence for the individual to 'express, teach and profess' themselves as Buddhists in public.

                              Buddhism as a "new impulse", "in its pure form," that is the point and has nothing to do with what you mind people celebrate, or not. With every new impulse there will be resurgence of lavish expression by the mass which is inevitable however the underlying theme of purity or pure form will have been established and remains for those who seek or understand. JPC.

                              "In the year 1880, Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott paid their first visit to Ceylon, and honestly and
                              publicly declared themselves Buddhists, and in furtherance of the dear wish of their heart they established
                              branches of the Theosophical Society in various parts of the Island. By their united endeavours, I must admit
                              that a new impulse has been given to Buddhism; so much so, that the many thousands of natives of the Island,
                              who had hitherto remained ignorant of Buddhism in its pure form, and those who were ashamed to declare
                              themselves Buddhists in public, have all begun to learn, teach and profess Buddhism most openly and
                              vigorously." BCW X 238.

                              > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                              > From: global-theosophy@...
                              > Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:38:34 +0200
                              > Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                              >
                              > Dear Jeremy
                              >
                              > interesting.
                              >
                              > I will quote the following from the passage CW Vol. X, p. 238:
                              > "The most enthusiastic and lavish manner in which the Buddhists of Ceylon celebrated the Wesak days of the past two years, cannot but fail to testify to their honest belief in Buddhism, and to the substantial work done by Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism. . . . .
                              > This is all correct, and the two above named personages feel proud to see their feeble services so well appreciated and remembered. But they would certainly feel still happier had the actual state of the moral standard in Ceylon-once the pearl of the Indian Ocean-been such as not to have necessitated the letter published in the same paper by a "Chela." This shows the reverse of the medal and mars somewhat the delight of those who have devoted their life to the noble work of spreading the philosophy of the great "Light of Asia." For, it is not the modern temple-Buddhism with all the excrescences that have crept into it, but verily the esoteric Budhism, * of the Lord Gautama, the BUDDHA, that the Founders had in view, when working for the REVIVAL OF BUDDHISM."
                              > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_097.htm
                              >
                              > And then I will add the following...
                              >
                              > About empty exoteric rituals we find that the co-founder H. P. Blavatsky is said to have written:
                              > "The T.S. was not created to propagate any dogma of any exoteric, ritualistic church, whether Buddhist, Brahmanical, or Christian. This idea is a wide-spread and general mistake; and that of the eminent Sanskritist is due to a self-evident source which misled him."
                              > (....Reading the whole article could be helpful...the rest of the article....is a different matter to exchange upon...)
                              > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_064.htm
                              >
                              >
                              > I do not mind that people celebarate what they like to celebrate.
                              > But I suggest that we do not think that Blavatsky strongly supported empty exoteric religious rituals.
                              > But each person will no doubt seek thier own view about these matters.
                              >
                              > All the above are just my views. They were forwarded as a possible help to the Seekers After Truth and Wisdom.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > M. Sufilight
                              >
                              >
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                              > ----- Original Message -----
                              > From: Jeremy Condick
                              > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                              > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:01 PM
                              > Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > The
                              > reference on Wesak, HPB and Col. Olcott CW X 238 in Ceylon which is
                              > now Sri Lanka, speaks of the "substantial work done by Madame
                              > Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism" and of their
                              > "new impulse" given to Buddhism there at that time 1880. As
                              > Sri lanka [changed from Ceylon May 22 1972] celebrates Wesak on the
                              > time of the full moon and as given today as May 17 for that location
                              > also, we might think that HPB and Col. Olcott indeed gave fresh
                              > impulse to the Wesak festival still celebrated there to this day at
                              > the correct lunar time and month of May, as indicated below.
                              >
                              > Buddhism was indeed reformed in its purest sense in spite of
                              > colonial power and indeed HPB and Olcott were known as 'white
                              > Buddhists" and were honoured as such. If initially, and I do not
                              > think this extended to long, wesak was subsequently recognised in
                              > April there, it was due to the British governor Sir Arthur Gordon for
                              > April 28, 1885, not HPB. However, the true time and recognition was
                              > practised by the native Sinhalese Buddhists.
                              >
                              > They [HPB and
                              > Olcott] made possible the public holiday or celebration recognised by
                              > the colonial rule and formed the "Buddhist education fund"
                              > also the "buddhist defence committee" of which Olcott was
                              > an honorary member and representative for Great Britain. We can but
                              > imagine the influence often not seen that such figures as HPB and
                              > Olcott had on the Wesak festival and other things throughout the
                              > world and indeed inaugurating its resurgence to the time of writing
                              > of Alice Bailey with the greatly expanded information on the
                              > spiritual festivals including the Wesak festival. JPC. posted twelve months prior on theos-talk.
                              >
                              > "The
                              > decision by the Theosophists to inaugurate the Buddhist Education
                              > Fund on the Wesak Poya (full moon day) of May 13, 1881 is one example
                              > of how useful the Wesak festival was as a tool for revitalizing
                              > Buddhism (Somaratna 6)."
                              >
                              > 20 Colonel Henry Steele Olcott was an American who, along
                              > with Madame Blavatsky, organized the Theosophical Society in 1875. He
                              > landed in Sri Lanka on 17 February 1875 (a day once celebrated as
                              > "Olcott Day" in Independent Sri Lanka) and proceeded to
                              > form the Buddhist Theosophical Society. He was influential in
                              > promoting a Buddhist revival in Sri Lanka (Fields 62).
                              >
                              > http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bVeaj5f0dOcJ:mrsp.mcgill.ca/reports/html/Wesak/index.htm+ceylon+wesak+date+1880&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk
                              >
                              > "Vesak is celebrated as a religious and a cultural
                              > festival in Sri Lanka on the full moon of the month of May, for a
                              > duration of one week." wikipedia
                              >
                              > "The government has
                              > declared May 14- 21 as the Vesak Week to coincide with the 2600th
                              > Sambuddathwa Jayanthi celebrations."
                              > "The Vesak year
                              > declared will be from May 17, 2011 this Year's Vesak Poya Day to next
                              > year's Vesak Poya Day."
                              >
                              > http://www.colombopage.com/archive_11/May15_1305480919CH.php
                              >
                              > "All Ceylon Buddhist Congress (ACBC) made elaborate
                              > arrangements to celebrate the forthcoming Sambuddhathwa Jayanthi
                              > Bauddhaloka Wesak religious festival for the 10th consecutive year,
                              > from 17th to 21st May 2011 along Bauddhaloka Mawatha, Colombo 7.
                              >
                              > Buddhist schools to participate in Vesak
                              > celebrations
                              >
                              > Priyanka
                              > Kurugala
                              >
                              > The
                              > Education Ministry will conduct a series of programmes to mark Vesak
                              > Week with the participation of Buddhist schools countrywide.
                              >
                              > The
                              > Education Ministry has informed Provincial Education Secretaries,
                              > Provincial Directors, Zonal Directors and Divisional Directors, Deans
                              > of National Education Faculties, Principals and teachers to conduct
                              > these programme in a fitting manner.
                              >
                              > Shramadana
                              > and environment conversation programmes will be held on May 2.
                              > Creation of Vesak decorations will be carried on May 3.
                              >
                              > A
                              > sill observation programme will be held on May 4.
                              >
                              > The
                              > programme will be held with the participation of schoolchildren and
                              > teachers in Buddhist schools. Displaying of Vesak decorations ,
                              > lighting Vesak lanterns and lamps, participating in religious
                              > activities in temples, dansal serving tea, herbal drinks, flower
                              > offerings and Vesak Bakthi Gee will be held at school level on May 5
                              > and 6.
                              >
                              > The
                              > certificate awarding ceremony for participants as well as teachers
                              > and schoolchildren will be held on May 8.
                              >
                              > 2012.
                              > http://www.dailynews.lk/2012/05/01/news12.asp
                              >
                              > > To: Theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                              > > From: mkr777@...
                              > > Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:15:04 -0500
                              > > Subject: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                              > >
                              > > Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
                              > > to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
                              > > Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
                              > > tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
                              > > the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
                              > > reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > <
                              > > http://groundviews.org/2013/05/20/beyond-nostalgia-children-of-olcott-must-revisit-history/
                              > > >
                              > >
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                            • Cass Silva
                              Morten, perhaps you can explain Annie Besant s political involvement in India, which goes against the three objects? Cass ________________________________
                              Message 14 of 22 , May 23, 2013
                                Morten, perhaps you can explain Annie Besant's political involvement in India, which goes against the three objects?
                                Cass


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                                From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Friday, 24 May 2013 1:51 AM
                                Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka



                                 
                                Dear Cass

                                My views are:

                                Are you sure about this?
                                I find your claim or view somewhat illogical. And I think you will realize it by some afterthought.

                                The Theosophical Society is as about wisdom and knowledge not merely beliefs, dogmatism, and certainly not fanatical beliefs about Masters of various names, new or old. And in a non-Sectarian Theosophical Society each member were (and hopefully still are) entitled to his or her own views about Masters and forwarding his or her own individual (organizationally non-sectarian) teachings about Masters. A non-Sectarian Theosophical Society does not exclude individuals having exchanges upon Masters and what they might be or not be, and whether they exist or do not exist. - And let us have the Coulomb scandal in mind, when the masters almost became a term not allowed to be mentioned in the TS.

                                (I will add: But the promulgation of continous false claims about the Theosophical Society (for instance - picturing is it as being a sectarian belief in Master KH and Morya of Blavatsky's version - or something else or similar), and the same about persons and their views about masters and false claims about masters, where one have recognized ones own views on this as false, --- and then despite this keep promoting these false views and claims - sometimes by selling books on such falsehoods are not acceptable as far as I am concerned. --- Let those who recognize the authors which is within this frame understand what I am talking about. And I will allow myself to protest against such persons and authors. And let them tell me that I attack them when I protest, and I will tell them that their mouth lies because they are unethical and claim for themselves the right to attack others and will not allow others to defend against perceived falsehood, not even in
                                a well meant philosophical exchange about the matter - seeking truth for truth sake and altruism.)

                                M. Sufilight

                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: Cass Silva
                                To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:26 AM
                                Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                Without the Masters (Teachers) there would be no teaching to believe in.
                                Cass

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                                From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2013 1:18 AM
                                Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                Dear Cass

                                My views are:

                                Blavatsky is here in the below in agreement with Patterson on that the Exoteric Theosophical Society was not created so to have belief in the Masters as a requisite. See her footnote, where she for years have repeated this view. And since Blavatsky do not oppose Patterson in any of his words I find it difficult to think that she meant anything else. She in fact support his words early in the article in mention. See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 115, Feb. 1891.
                                And Blavatsky died only 3 months later. These are merely my views.

                                It is, as I see it, important to understand the non-sectarian nature of the Exoteric TS, and, also the Esoteric Section. The first have nobody forwarding a doctrine on behalf of its members. The latter had, but had it with an understanding of what non-sectarian organizations versus sectarian organizations were and still is, as concepts. There those who create what they call Esoteric Sections, and who do not understand the difference between sectarian organizations (where A DOCTRINE are forwarded on behalf of others - where forced beliefs pressure towards beliefs in the Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. ARE BEING USED or at least NOT clearly OPPOSED - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find UN-Ethical) and non-sectarian organizations (where NO doctrine are forwarded on behalf of others - where NONE are using forced beliefs in Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find
                                Ethical). These are however merely my views.

                                See here:
                                "COMMENTS ON “THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY AND H.P.B.”
                                by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. with comments by HPB in footnotes
                                [Lucifer, Vol. VII, No. 42, February, 1891, pp. 451-455]
                                (Inserted by M. Sufilight: http://www.theosopher.net/dzyan/lucifer/lucifer_v7_n42_february_1891.pdf )
                                " The honest materialist, the honest agnostic, the honest spiritualist, the honest christian-scientist, the honest dogmatic christian, may be an honest disbeliever in H. P. B. and the Masters, and an honest member of the Theosophical Society too, provided he is enlisted in the cause of humanity.† Let us hold the "
                                .......
                                [FOOTNOTE]
                                † I have repeated these words for years: it is my stereotyped answer to enquirers who ask me whether belief in the MASTERS is obligatory in joining the T. S.—[H. P. B.]
                                .......
                                "doors wide open; let us set up no unnecessary barriers, and let us wait outside until the last one has entered. We can thus best serve, thus best defend. This is not a policy of silence; it does not prevent our using pen and voice in defence of our beloved leader; but it should prevent making belief in her a qualification, even if an unwritten one, for membership in good standing in the Theosophical Society. There are now many good members who are doubters on this point. Don’t let us drive them away by intolerance."
                                http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm
                                (I suggest that one read this article carefully. Because it is very important to understand, when one seek to understand Blavatsky's stance on the Exoteric TS versus the Esoteric Section and their relations to each other.)

                                Anyone?

                                _____
                                And since Blavatsky in her Footnote claim to have - repeated these words for years - I find it hard to think that Blavatsky walked away from the Exoteric Section of the Theosophical Society. No, she merely formed the Esoteric Section because quite a number of the members of the Society requested it. This was also what she wrote here in the same article with links given in the above:
                                "Owing to the fact that a large number of Fellows of the Society have felt the necessity for the formation of a body of Esoteric students, to be organized on the ORIGINAL LINES devised by the real founders of the T.S." (See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 116, Feb. 1891 - See also BCW. Vol. XII, p. 481, Oct. 1888 - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v12/y1890_052.htm)

                                H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
                                "Because (a) Madame Blavatsky does not owe the slightest allegiance to a Council which is liable at any moment to issue silly and untheosophical ukases; and (b) for the simple reason that she recognizes but one person in the T.S. besides herself, namely Colonel Olcott, as having the right of effecting fundamental re-organizations in a Society which owes its life to them, and for which they are both karmically responsible. If the acting editor makes slight account of a sacred pledge, neither Col. Olcott nor H. P. Blavatsky are likely to do so. H. P. Blavatsky will always bow before the decision of the majority of a Section or even a simple Branch; but she will ever protest against the decision of the General Council, were it composed of Archangels and Dhyan Chohans themselves, if their decision seems to her unjust, or untheosophical, or fails to meet with the approval of the majority of the Fellows. No more than H. P. Blavatsky has the President-Founder
                                the right of exercising autocracy or papal powers, and Col. Olcott would be the last man in the world to attempt to do so. It is the two Founders and especially the President, who have virtually sworn allegiance to the Fellows, whom they have to protect, and teach those who want to be taught, and not to tyrannize and rule over them."
                                http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v11/y1889_049.htm
                                (Indeed. Very well written words.)

                                All the above are merely my views.
                                I can only have the hope that they are useful to some of the readers.

                                M. Sufilight

                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: Cass Silva
                                To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:06 AM
                                Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                Nobody suggested that HPB closed down or had intentions to close down what she saw as the Exoteric TS. She simply walked away from it and formed her own esoteric chapter, which if I am not mistaken, was by invitation only.

                                Cass

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                                From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013 1:21 AM
                                Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                Dear Jeremy and all readers

                                My views are:

                                Yes, but this "impulse" by Blavatsky and Olcott of what ever kind it was, was not an expression of forwarding an impulse on behalf of the Theosophical Society, because it was absolutely non-sectarian in its organizational structure. This "impulse" was merely forwarded on behalf of themselves. And this is important.

                                As I see it:
                                We have to distinguish the Theosophical Society from Esoteric Buddhism (in its pure form) organizationally speaking, although real Esoteric Buddhism - if it claim to be ethical - do give emphasis to a non-sectarian concept where no member are teaching the members (as leaders) on behalf of an Exoteric Society.
                                This is important and seems not to be given the needed ethical emphasis or is not being understood for its ethical importance in various Alice A. Bailey organizations.

                                Blavatsky wrote in the Key to Theosophy, p. 12-15 + 19:
                                "THEOSOPHY IS NOT BUDDHISM "
                                "Yet Theosophy is not Buddhism."
                                .......
                                " ENQUIRER. Which system do you prefer or follow, in that case, besides Buddhistic ethics?

                                THEOSOPHIST. None, and all. We hold to no religion, as to no philosophy in particular: we cull the good we find in each. But here, again, it must be stated that, like all other ancient systems, Theosophy is divided into Exoteric and Esoteric Sections. "
                                http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm#p12

                                So Blavatsky did not plan to close down the absolutely Non-Sectarian Theosophical Society. At least not in 1889, when this book was published.
                                And, as I recently showed in a post to Cass here on the forum, neither later in 1891. (See the footnotes by HPB in this article by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. and read by all means the article carefully - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm )
                                And there are plenty of info showing this to be true.

                                M. Sufilight

                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: Jeremy Condick
                                To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 10:14 PM
                                Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                Dear Morton, I agree in context with your thoughts on empty exoteric or dogmatic rituals or possibly lavish expressions of such. However your inclination to steer away from the intention does not serve the purpose of that fact that HPB and Olcott accomplished a great service at that time of inaugurating a "new impulse" to a time of ignorance in Buddhism in "its pure form" note that term Morton, and to the renewed confidence for the individual to 'express, teach and profess' themselves as Buddhists in public.

                                Buddhism as a "new impulse", "in its pure form," that is the point and has nothing to do with what you mind people celebrate, or not. With every new impulse there will be resurgence of lavish expression by the mass which is inevitable however the underlying theme of purity or pure form will have been established and remains for those who seek or understand. JPC.

                                "In the year 1880, Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott paid their first visit to Ceylon, and honestly and
                                publicly declared themselves Buddhists, and in furtherance of the dear wish of their heart they established
                                branches of the Theosophical Society in various parts of the Island. By their united endeavours, I must admit
                                that a new impulse has been given to Buddhism; so much so, that the many thousands of natives of the Island,
                                who had hitherto remained ignorant of Buddhism in its pure form, and those who were ashamed to declare
                                themselves Buddhists in public, have all begun to learn, teach and profess Buddhism most openly and
                                vigorously." BCW X 238.

                                > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                > From: global-theosophy@...
                                > Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:38:34 +0200
                                > Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                                >
                                > Dear Jeremy
                                >
                                > interesting.
                                >
                                > I will quote the following from the passage CW Vol. X, p. 238:
                                > "The most enthusiastic and lavish manner in which the Buddhists of Ceylon celebrated the Wesak days of the past two years, cannot but fail to testify to their honest belief in Buddhism, and to the substantial work done by Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism. . . . .
                                > This is all correct, and the two above named personages feel proud to see their feeble services so well appreciated and remembered. But they would certainly feel still happier had the actual state of the moral standard in Ceylon-once the pearl of the Indian Ocean-been such as not to have necessitated the letter published in the same paper by a "Chela." This shows the reverse of the medal and mars somewhat the delight of those who have devoted their life to the noble work of spreading the philosophy of the great "Light of Asia." For, it is not the modern temple-Buddhism with all the excrescences that have crept into it, but verily the esoteric Budhism, * of the Lord Gautama, the BUDDHA, that the Founders had in view, when working for the REVIVAL OF BUDDHISM."
                                > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_097.htm
                                >
                                > And then I will add the following...
                                >
                                > About empty exoteric rituals we find that the co-founder H. P. Blavatsky is said to have written:
                                > "The T.S. was not created to propagate any dogma of any exoteric, ritualistic church, whether Buddhist, Brahmanical, or Christian. This idea is a wide-spread and general mistake; and that of the eminent Sanskritist is due to a self-evident source which misled him."
                                > (....Reading the whole article could be helpful...the rest of the article....is a different matter to exchange upon...)
                                > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_064.htm
                                >
                                >
                                > I do not mind that people celebarate what they like to celebrate.
                                > But I suggest that we do not think that Blavatsky strongly supported empty exoteric religious rituals.
                                > But each person will no doubt seek thier own view about these matters.
                                >
                                > All the above are just my views. They were forwarded as a possible help to the Seekers After Truth and Wisdom.
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > M. Sufilight
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: Jeremy Condick
                                > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:01 PM
                                > Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > The
                                > reference on Wesak, HPB and Col. Olcott CW X 238 in Ceylon which is
                                > now Sri Lanka, speaks of the "substantial work done by Madame
                                > Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism" and of their
                                > "new impulse" given to Buddhism there at that time 1880. As
                                > Sri lanka [changed from Ceylon May 22 1972] celebrates Wesak on the
                                > time of the full moon and as given today as May 17 for that location
                                > also, we might think that HPB and Col. Olcott indeed gave fresh
                                > impulse to the Wesak festival still celebrated there to this day at
                                > the correct lunar time and month of May, as indicated below.
                                >
                                > Buddhism was indeed reformed in its purest sense in spite of
                                > colonial power and indeed HPB and Olcott were known as 'white
                                > Buddhists" and were honoured as such. If initially, and I do not
                                > think this extended to long, wesak was subsequently recognised in
                                > April there, it was due to the British governor Sir Arthur Gordon for
                                > April 28, 1885, not HPB. However, the true time and recognition was
                                > practised by the native Sinhalese Buddhists.
                                >
                                > They [HPB and
                                > Olcott] made possible the public holiday or celebration recognised by
                                > the colonial rule and formed the "Buddhist education fund"
                                > also the "buddhist defence committee" of which Olcott was
                                > an honorary member and representative for Great Britain. We can but
                                > imagine the influence often not seen that such figures as HPB and
                                > Olcott had on the Wesak festival and other things throughout the
                                > world and indeed inaugurating its resurgence to the time of writing
                                > of Alice Bailey with the greatly expanded information on the
                                > spiritual festivals including the Wesak festival. JPC. posted twelve months prior on theos-talk.
                                >
                                > "The
                                > decision by the Theosophists to inaugurate the Buddhist Education
                                > Fund on the Wesak Poya (full moon day) of May 13, 1881 is one example
                                > of how useful the Wesak festival was as a tool for revitalizing
                                > Buddhism (Somaratna 6)."
                                >
                                > 20 Colonel Henry Steele Olcott was an American who, along
                                > with Madame Blavatsky, organized the Theosophical Society in 1875. He
                                > landed in Sri Lanka on 17 February 1875 (a day once celebrated as
                                > "Olcott Day" in Independent Sri Lanka) and proceeded to
                                > form the Buddhist Theosophical Society. He was influential in
                                > promoting a Buddhist revival in Sri Lanka (Fields 62).
                                >
                                > http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bVeaj5f0dOcJ:mrsp.mcgill.ca/reports/html/Wesak/index.htm+ceylon+wesak+date+1880&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk
                                >
                                > "Vesak is celebrated as a religious and a cultural
                                > festival in Sri Lanka on the full moon of the month of May, for a
                                > duration of one week." wikipedia
                                >
                                > "The government has
                                > declared May 14- 21 as the Vesak Week to coincide with the 2600th
                                > Sambuddathwa Jayanthi celebrations."
                                > "The Vesak year
                                > declared will be from May 17, 2011 this Year's Vesak Poya Day to next
                                > year's Vesak Poya Day."
                                >
                                > http://www.colombopage.com/archive_11/May15_1305480919CH.php
                                >
                                > "All Ceylon Buddhist Congress (ACBC) made elaborate
                                > arrangements to celebrate the forthcoming Sambuddhathwa Jayanthi
                                > Bauddhaloka Wesak religious festival for the 10th consecutive year,
                                > from 17th to 21st May 2011 along Bauddhaloka Mawatha, Colombo 7.
                                >
                                > Buddhist schools to participate in Vesak
                                > celebrations
                                >
                                > Priyanka
                                > Kurugala
                                >
                                > The
                                > Education Ministry will conduct a series of programmes to mark Vesak
                                > Week with the participation of Buddhist schools countrywide.
                                >
                                > The
                                > Education Ministry has informed Provincial Education Secretaries,
                                > Provincial Directors, Zonal Directors and Divisional Directors, Deans
                                > of National Education Faculties, Principals and teachers to conduct
                                > these programme in a fitting manner.
                                >
                                > Shramadana
                                > and environment conversation programmes will be held on May 2.
                                > Creation of Vesak decorations will be carried on May 3.
                                >
                                > A
                                > sill observation programme will be held on May 4.
                                >
                                > The
                                > programme will be held with the participation of schoolchildren and
                                > teachers in Buddhist schools. Displaying of Vesak decorations ,
                                > lighting Vesak lanterns and lamps, participating in religious
                                > activities in temples, dansal serving tea, herbal drinks, flower
                                > offerings and Vesak Bakthi Gee will be held at school level on May 5
                                > and 6.
                                >
                                > The
                                > certificate awarding ceremony for participants as well as teachers
                                > and schoolchildren will be held on May 8.
                                >
                                > 2012.
                                > http://www.dailynews.lk/2012/05/01/news12.asp
                                >
                                > > To: Theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                > > From: mkr777@...
                                > > Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:15:04 -0500
                                > > Subject: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                                > >
                                > > Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
                                > > to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
                                > > Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
                                > > tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
                                > > the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
                                > > reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > <
                                > > http://groundviews.org/2013/05/20/beyond-nostalgia-children-of-olcott-must-revisit-history/
                                > > >
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                              • M. Sufilight
                                Dear Cass My views are: Okay. Each member in a non-sectarian Theosophical Society are of course in a situation where they can study her teachings and views
                                Message 15 of 22 , May 24, 2013
                                  Dear Cass

                                  My views are:

                                  Okay.
                                  Each member in a non-sectarian Theosophical Society are of course in a situation where they can study her teachings and views (which by the way never was forwarded with the aim that the readers should merely believe Blavatsky on her word). Such a study can of course be done in a philosophical non-sectarian spirit seeking knowledge and - not - mere belief and fanaticism, - not confusing knowledge with belief and fanaticism. The non-sectarian Theosophical Society are of course because of its objects in opposition to fanaticism and superstition and dogmatism. The Society are for the seekers after knowledge, not seekers after sectarian fanaticism coupled with religious intolerance. At least so it was originally, (and perhaps less today?). People sometimes forget this, it seems. (Annie Besant sought to give her view upon belief in the Masters here in a 1913 article: "Is Belief in the Masters Superstitious or Harmful" http://www.anandgholap.net/AP/Is_Belief_In_Masters_Superstitious-AB.htm - And I disagree in the sense, that Annie Besant forgot to mention that such teachings on the Masters and what not, never aught to be pressurized upon the members of the Society, and neither turned into an exoteric orthodox religious theater - promulgation religous fanatcicism with silver-bagdes, scarf's etc., etc, on the TS compound, allowing some to have their rituals, and new age rituals, and discarding others - and without any clear explantion for such a biassed stance. That was - apparently - maybe also why Olcott and his friends was opposed by Master KH when as Blavatsky said: "the superlatively idiotic idea of a Temple of Humanity or Universal Brotherhood came into Olcott’s pumpkin", and with a shrine for the portraits of the two Masters... (See p. 163 in The Letters of HPB to A. P. Sinnett: http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/Letters%20of%20HPB.htm)

                                  - Again I will refer to the aricle by Patterson and the comments in it by Blavatsky. -
                                  "COMMENTS ON “THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY AND H.P.B.”
                                  ...for instance saying the following...
                                  " The Theosophical Society has no creeds, but its members seem scarcely able to avoid making them in spite of all efforts to the contrary. "....."And why speak of the Society as an absurdity without Masters? Are its objects, especially the first, nothing? If those objects were even partially lived up to, and again let us say “especially the first,” would no good come of it? Most certainly, and it is perhaps this good which the Masters are seeking, rather than the acceptance of any philosophy, or any recognition of themselves.*"...[FOOTNOTE] "* Our Brother, Mr. Patterson, is quite correct.—[H.P.B.] " - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm

                                  What study to each member can choose is not to be pressurized upon the members, because all other members might have something to forward as well, and even something better.What can be forrwarded and studied within the Society has to follow the Constitution of the Society and its objects, and non-sectarian concept (the latter was reformulated in year 1923 and called the concept of Freedom of Thought). Religious tolerance - is what is lacking, and Patterson rightly highlighted the problem in his article.

                                  All the above are merely my views. Most of which I claim can be documented, when compared to the views of the Co-Founders of the Society, (HPB and Olcott).




                                  M. Sufilight



                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: Cass Silva
                                  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 3:17 AM
                                  Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka



                                  OK perhaps 'believe in' was the wrong wording, should have been, there would be 'no teaching to study'. HPB linked herself with the Masters therefore there is a link with them and Leadbeater and Besant were aware of this hence their illusionary so called contact with them as some sort of proof of Leadbeater's integrity.

                                  If one is to study what HPB left us, how can one do so, without acknowledging that she received this knowledge from them. To deny their existence makes a liar out of HPB.!

                                  Cass

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                                  From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Friday, 24 May 2013 1:51 AM
                                  Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka



                                  Dear Cass

                                  My views are:

                                  Are you sure about this?
                                  I find your claim or view somewhat illogical. And I think you will realize it by some afterthought.

                                  The Theosophical Society is as about wisdom and knowledge not merely beliefs, dogmatism, and certainly not fanatical beliefs about Masters of various names, new or old. And in a non-Sectarian Theosophical Society each member were (and hopefully still are) entitled to his or her own views about Masters and forwarding his or her own individual (organizationally non-sectarian) teachings about Masters. A non-Sectarian Theosophical Society does not exclude individuals having exchanges upon Masters and what they might be or not be, and whether they exist or do not exist. - And let us have the Coulomb scandal in mind, when the masters almost became a term not allowed to be mentioned in the TS.

                                  (I will add: But the promulgation of continous false claims about the Theosophical Society (for instance - picturing is it as being a sectarian belief in Master KH and Morya of Blavatsky's version - or something else or similar), and the same about persons and their views about masters and false claims about masters, where one have recognized ones own views on this as false, --- and then despite this keep promoting these false views and claims - sometimes by selling books on such falsehoods are not acceptable as far as I am concerned. --- Let those who recognize the authors which is within this frame understand what I am talking about. And I will allow myself to protest against such persons and authors. And let them tell me that I attack them when I protest, and I will tell them that their mouth lies because they are unethical and claim for themselves the right to attack others and will not allow others to defend against perceived falsehood, not even in
                                  a well meant philosophical exchange about the matter - seeking truth for truth sake and altruism.)

                                  M. Sufilight

                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: Cass Silva
                                  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:26 AM
                                  Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                  Without the Masters (Teachers) there would be no teaching to believe in.
                                  Cass

                                  ________________________________
                                  From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2013 1:18 AM
                                  Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                  Dear Cass

                                  My views are:

                                  Blavatsky is here in the below in agreement with Patterson on that the Exoteric Theosophical Society was not created so to have belief in the Masters as a requisite. See her footnote, where she for years have repeated this view. And since Blavatsky do not oppose Patterson in any of his words I find it difficult to think that she meant anything else. She in fact support his words early in the article in mention. See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 115, Feb. 1891.
                                  And Blavatsky died only 3 months later. These are merely my views.

                                  It is, as I see it, important to understand the non-sectarian nature of the Exoteric TS, and, also the Esoteric Section. The first have nobody forwarding a doctrine on behalf of its members. The latter had, but had it with an understanding of what non-sectarian organizations versus sectarian organizations were and still is, as concepts. There those who create what they call Esoteric Sections, and who do not understand the difference between sectarian organizations (where A DOCTRINE are forwarded on behalf of others - where forced beliefs pressure towards beliefs in the Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. ARE BEING USED or at least NOT clearly OPPOSED - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find UN-Ethical) and non-sectarian organizations (where NO doctrine are forwarded on behalf of others - where NONE are using forced beliefs in Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find
                                  Ethical). These are however merely my views.

                                  See here:
                                  "COMMENTS ON “THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY AND H.P.B.”
                                  by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. with comments by HPB in footnotes
                                  [Lucifer, Vol. VII, No. 42, February, 1891, pp. 451-455]
                                  (Inserted by M. Sufilight: http://www.theosopher.net/dzyan/lucifer/lucifer_v7_n42_february_1891.pdf )
                                  " The honest materialist, the honest agnostic, the honest spiritualist, the honest christian-scientist, the honest dogmatic christian, may be an honest disbeliever in H. P. B. and the Masters, and an honest member of the Theosophical Society too, provided he is enlisted in the cause of humanity.† Let us hold the "
                                  .......
                                  [FOOTNOTE]
                                  † I have repeated these words for years: it is my stereotyped answer to enquirers who ask me whether belief in the MASTERS is obligatory in joining the T. S.—[H. P. B.]
                                  .......
                                  "doors wide open; let us set up no unnecessary barriers, and let us wait outside until the last one has entered. We can thus best serve, thus best defend. This is not a policy of silence; it does not prevent our using pen and voice in defence of our beloved leader; but it should prevent making belief in her a qualification, even if an unwritten one, for membership in good standing in the Theosophical Society. There are now many good members who are doubters on this point. Don’t let us drive them away by intolerance."
                                  http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm
                                  (I suggest that one read this article carefully. Because it is very important to understand, when one seek to understand Blavatsky's stance on the Exoteric TS versus the Esoteric Section and their relations to each other.)

                                  Anyone?

                                  _____
                                  And since Blavatsky in her Footnote claim to have - repeated these words for years - I find it hard to think that Blavatsky walked away from the Exoteric Section of the Theosophical Society. No, she merely formed the Esoteric Section because quite a number of the members of the Society requested it. This was also what she wrote here in the same article with links given in the above:
                                  "Owing to the fact that a large number of Fellows of the Society have felt the necessity for the formation of a body of Esoteric students, to be organized on the ORIGINAL LINES devised by the real founders of the T.S." (See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 116, Feb. 1891 - See also BCW. Vol. XII, p. 481, Oct. 1888 - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v12/y1890_052.htm)

                                  H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
                                  "Because (a) Madame Blavatsky does not owe the slightest allegiance to a Council which is liable at any moment to issue silly and untheosophical ukases; and (b) for the simple reason that she recognizes but one person in the T.S. besides herself, namely Colonel Olcott, as having the right of effecting fundamental re-organizations in a Society which owes its life to them, and for which they are both karmically responsible. If the acting editor makes slight account of a sacred pledge, neither Col. Olcott nor H. P. Blavatsky are likely to do so. H. P. Blavatsky will always bow before the decision of the majority of a Section or even a simple Branch; but she will ever protest against the decision of the General Council, were it composed of Archangels and Dhyan Chohans themselves, if their decision seems to her unjust, or untheosophical, or fails to meet with the approval of the majority of the Fellows. No more than H. P. Blavatsky has the President-Founder
                                  the right of exercising autocracy or papal powers, and Col. Olcott would be the last man in the world to attempt to do so. It is the two Founders and especially the President, who have virtually sworn allegiance to the Fellows, whom they have to protect, and teach those who want to be taught, and not to tyrannize and rule over them."
                                  http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v11/y1889_049.htm
                                  (Indeed. Very well written words.)

                                  All the above are merely my views.
                                  I can only have the hope that they are useful to some of the readers.

                                  M. Sufilight

                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: Cass Silva
                                  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:06 AM
                                  Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                  Nobody suggested that HPB closed down or had intentions to close down what she saw as the Exoteric TS. She simply walked away from it and formed her own esoteric chapter, which if I am not mistaken, was by invitation only.

                                  Cass

                                  ________________________________
                                  From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013 1:21 AM
                                  Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                  Dear Jeremy and all readers

                                  My views are:

                                  Yes, but this "impulse" by Blavatsky and Olcott of what ever kind it was, was not an expression of forwarding an impulse on behalf of the Theosophical Society, because it was absolutely non-sectarian in its organizational structure. This "impulse" was merely forwarded on behalf of themselves. And this is important.

                                  As I see it:
                                  We have to distinguish the Theosophical Society from Esoteric Buddhism (in its pure form) organizationally speaking, although real Esoteric Buddhism - if it claim to be ethical - do give emphasis to a non-sectarian concept where no member are teaching the members (as leaders) on behalf of an Exoteric Society.
                                  This is important and seems not to be given the needed ethical emphasis or is not being understood for its ethical importance in various Alice A. Bailey organizations.

                                  Blavatsky wrote in the Key to Theosophy, p. 12-15 + 19:
                                  "THEOSOPHY IS NOT BUDDHISM "
                                  "Yet Theosophy is not Buddhism."
                                  .......
                                  " ENQUIRER. Which system do you prefer or follow, in that case, besides Buddhistic ethics?

                                  THEOSOPHIST. None, and all. We hold to no religion, as to no philosophy in particular: we cull the good we find in each. But here, again, it must be stated that, like all other ancient systems, Theosophy is divided into Exoteric and Esoteric Sections. "
                                  http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm#p12

                                  So Blavatsky did not plan to close down the absolutely Non-Sectarian Theosophical Society. At least not in 1889, when this book was published.
                                  And, as I recently showed in a post to Cass here on the forum, neither later in 1891. (See the footnotes by HPB in this article by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. and read by all means the article carefully - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm )
                                  And there are plenty of info showing this to be true.

                                  M. Sufilight

                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: Jeremy Condick
                                  To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                  Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 10:14 PM
                                  Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                  Dear Morton, I agree in context with your thoughts on empty exoteric or dogmatic rituals or possibly lavish expressions of such. However your inclination to steer away from the intention does not serve the purpose of that fact that HPB and Olcott accomplished a great service at that time of inaugurating a "new impulse" to a time of ignorance in Buddhism in "its pure form" note that term Morton, and to the renewed confidence for the individual to 'express, teach and profess' themselves as Buddhists in public.

                                  Buddhism as a "new impulse", "in its pure form," that is the point and has nothing to do with what you mind people celebrate, or not. With every new impulse there will be resurgence of lavish expression by the mass which is inevitable however the underlying theme of purity or pure form will have been established and remains for those who seek or understand. JPC.

                                  "In the year 1880, Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott paid their first visit to Ceylon, and honestly and
                                  publicly declared themselves Buddhists, and in furtherance of the dear wish of their heart they established
                                  branches of the Theosophical Society in various parts of the Island. By their united endeavours, I must admit
                                  that a new impulse has been given to Buddhism; so much so, that the many thousands of natives of the Island,
                                  who had hitherto remained ignorant of Buddhism in its pure form, and those who were ashamed to declare
                                  themselves Buddhists in public, have all begun to learn, teach and profess Buddhism most openly and
                                  vigorously." BCW X 238.

                                  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                  > From: global-theosophy@...
                                  > Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:38:34 +0200
                                  > Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                                  >
                                  > Dear Jeremy
                                  >
                                  > interesting.
                                  >
                                  > I will quote the following from the passage CW Vol. X, p. 238:
                                  > "The most enthusiastic and lavish manner in which the Buddhists of Ceylon celebrated the Wesak days of the past two years, cannot but fail to testify to their honest belief in Buddhism, and to the substantial work done by Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism. . . . .
                                  > This is all correct, and the two above named personages feel proud to see their feeble services so well appreciated and remembered. But they would certainly feel still happier had the actual state of the moral standard in Ceylon-once the pearl of the Indian Ocean-been such as not to have necessitated the letter published in the same paper by a "Chela." This shows the reverse of the medal and mars somewhat the delight of those who have devoted their life to the noble work of spreading the philosophy of the great "Light of Asia." For, it is not the modern temple-Buddhism with all the excrescences that have crept into it, but verily the esoteric Budhism, * of the Lord Gautama, the BUDDHA, that the Founders had in view, when working for the REVIVAL OF BUDDHISM."
                                  > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_097.htm
                                  >
                                  > And then I will add the following...
                                  >
                                  > About empty exoteric rituals we find that the co-founder H. P. Blavatsky is said to have written:
                                  > "The T.S. was not created to propagate any dogma of any exoteric, ritualistic church, whether Buddhist, Brahmanical, or Christian. This idea is a wide-spread and general mistake; and that of the eminent Sanskritist is due to a self-evident source which misled him."
                                  > (....Reading the whole article could be helpful...the rest of the article....is a different matter to exchange upon...)
                                  > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_064.htm
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > I do not mind that people celebarate what they like to celebrate.
                                  > But I suggest that we do not think that Blavatsky strongly supported empty exoteric religious rituals.
                                  > But each person will no doubt seek thier own view about these matters.
                                  >
                                  > All the above are just my views. They were forwarded as a possible help to the Seekers After Truth and Wisdom.
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > M. Sufilight
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: Jeremy Condick
                                  > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:01 PM
                                  > Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > The
                                  > reference on Wesak, HPB and Col. Olcott CW X 238 in Ceylon which is
                                  > now Sri Lanka, speaks of the "substantial work done by Madame
                                  > Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism" and of their
                                  > "new impulse" given to Buddhism there at that time 1880. As
                                  > Sri lanka [changed from Ceylon May 22 1972] celebrates Wesak on the
                                  > time of the full moon and as given today as May 17 for that location
                                  > also, we might think that HPB and Col. Olcott indeed gave fresh
                                  > impulse to the Wesak festival still celebrated there to this day at
                                  > the correct lunar time and month of May, as indicated below.
                                  >
                                  > Buddhism was indeed reformed in its purest sense in spite of
                                  > colonial power and indeed HPB and Olcott were known as 'white
                                  > Buddhists" and were honoured as such. If initially, and I do not
                                  > think this extended to long, wesak was subsequently recognised in
                                  > April there, it was due to the British governor Sir Arthur Gordon for
                                  > April 28, 1885, not HPB. However, the true time and recognition was
                                  > practised by the native Sinhalese Buddhists.
                                  >
                                  > They [HPB and
                                  > Olcott] made possible the public holiday or celebration recognised by
                                  > the colonial rule and formed the "Buddhist education fund"
                                  > also the "buddhist defence committee" of which Olcott was
                                  > an honorary member and representative for Great Britain. We can but
                                  > imagine the influence often not seen that such figures as HPB and
                                  > Olcott had on the Wesak festival and other things throughout the
                                  > world and indeed inaugurating its resurgence to the time of writing
                                  > of Alice Bailey with the greatly expanded information on the
                                  > spiritual festivals including the Wesak festival. JPC. posted twelve months prior on theos-talk.
                                  >
                                  > "The
                                  > decision by the Theosophists to inaugurate the Buddhist Education
                                  > Fund on the Wesak Poya (full moon day) of May 13, 1881 is one example
                                  > of how useful the Wesak festival was as a tool for revitalizing
                                  > Buddhism (Somaratna 6)."
                                  >
                                  > 20 Colonel Henry Steele Olcott was an American who, along
                                  > with Madame Blavatsky, organized the Theosophical Society in 1875. He
                                  > landed in Sri Lanka on 17 February 1875 (a day once celebrated as
                                  > "Olcott Day" in Independent Sri Lanka) and proceeded to
                                  > form the Buddhist Theosophical Society. He was influential in
                                  > promoting a Buddhist revival in Sri Lanka (Fields 62).
                                  >
                                  > http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bVeaj5f0dOcJ:mrsp.mcgill.ca/reports/html/Wesak/index.htm+ceylon+wesak+date+1880&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk
                                  >
                                  > "Vesak is celebrated as a religious and a cultural
                                  > festival in Sri Lanka on the full moon of the month of May, for a
                                  > duration of one week." wikipedia
                                  >
                                  > "The government has
                                  > declared May 14- 21 as the Vesak Week to coincide with the 2600th
                                  > Sambuddathwa Jayanthi celebrations."
                                  > "The Vesak year
                                  > declared will be from May 17, 2011 this Year's Vesak Poya Day to next
                                  > year's Vesak Poya Day."
                                  >
                                  > http://www.colombopage.com/archive_11/May15_1305480919CH.php
                                  >
                                  > "All Ceylon Buddhist Congress (ACBC) made elaborate
                                  > arrangements to celebrate the forthcoming Sambuddhathwa Jayanthi
                                  > Bauddhaloka Wesak religious festival for the 10th consecutive year,
                                  > from 17th to 21st May 2011 along Bauddhaloka Mawatha, Colombo 7.
                                  >
                                  > Buddhist schools to participate in Vesak
                                  > celebrations
                                  >
                                  > Priyanka
                                  > Kurugala
                                  >
                                  > The
                                  > Education Ministry will conduct a series of programmes to mark Vesak
                                  > Week with the participation of Buddhist schools countrywide.
                                  >
                                  > The
                                  > Education Ministry has informed Provincial Education Secretaries,
                                  > Provincial Directors, Zonal Directors and Divisional Directors, Deans
                                  > of National Education Faculties, Principals and teachers to conduct
                                  > these programme in a fitting manner.
                                  >
                                  > Shramadana
                                  > and environment conversation programmes will be held on May 2.
                                  > Creation of Vesak decorations will be carried on May 3.
                                  >
                                  > A
                                  > sill observation programme will be held on May 4.
                                  >
                                  > The
                                  > programme will be held with the participation of schoolchildren and
                                  > teachers in Buddhist schools. Displaying of Vesak decorations ,
                                  > lighting Vesak lanterns and lamps, participating in religious
                                  > activities in temples, dansal serving tea, herbal drinks, flower
                                  > offerings and Vesak Bakthi Gee will be held at school level on May 5
                                  > and 6.
                                  >
                                  > The
                                  > certificate awarding ceremony for participants as well as teachers
                                  > and schoolchildren will be held on May 8.
                                  >
                                  > 2012.
                                  > http://www.dailynews.lk/2012/05/01/news12.asp
                                  >
                                  > > To: Theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > From: mkr777@...
                                  > > Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:15:04 -0500
                                  > > Subject: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                                  > >
                                  > > Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
                                  > > to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
                                  > > Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
                                  > > tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
                                  > > the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
                                  > > reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.
                                  > >
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                                  > > http://groundviews.org/2013/05/20/beyond-nostalgia-children-of-olcott-must-revisit-history/
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                                • M. Sufilight
                                  Dear Cass My views are: You do not spare me Cass. You keep asking for more info. Smile. There are many differing views on this question. Some agree with you
                                  Message 16 of 22 , May 24, 2013
                                    Dear Cass

                                    My views are:

                                    You do not spare me Cass. You keep asking for more info. Smile.

                                    There are many differing views on this question. Some agree with you and some not.

                                    The following aught to be enough to show the readers, that Annie Besant certainly had a different opinion about the original Consitution and Rules of the Soicety than the Co-Founders Blavatsky and Olcott had.


                                    Duties of the Theosophist by ANNIE BESANT, P.T.S.
                                    (Second Edition) THEOSOPHICAL PUBLISHING HOUSE, Adyar, Madras, India 1927
                                    "You must be religious right through, or else you have no true religion. Nothing is outside Religion. They say : " Mrs. Besant is a religious teacher ; she must have nothing to do with politics." But I assure you that just because Mrs. Besant is a religious teacher, therefore she has everything to do with politics."
                                    http://www.anandgholap.net/Duties_Of_The_Theosophist-AB.htm


                                    Compare this with the below words by the Co-founders H. P. Blavatsky and H. S. Olcott...

                                    Here we go...

                                    The Co-founder H. P. Blavatsky wrote about the TS:
                                    "THE RELATIONS OF THE T. S. TO POLITICAL REFORMS.
                                    To seek to achieve political reforms before we have effected a reform in human nature, is like putting new wine into old bottles. Make men feel and recognize in their innermost hearts what is their real, true duty to all men, and every old abuse of power, every iniquitous law in the national policy, based on human, social or political selfishness, will disappear of itself. Foolish is the gardener who seeks to weed his flower-bed of poisonous plants by cutting them off from the surface of the soil, instead of tearing them out by the roots. No lasting political reform can be ever achieved with the same selfish men at the head of affairs as of old."
                                    (The Key to Theosophy, 1889, p. 231)
                                    http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm#p231

                                    Please do consider the headline: THE RELATIONS OF THE T. S. TO POLITICAL REFORMS. in the above.
                                    Next we have the Constitution of the Theosophical Society as given in 1890. The words are merely a more precise formulation of what from time to time have been stated previously by the Co.Founders of the Theosophical Society.

                                    THE CONSTITUTION AND RULES OF THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY
                                    If one agree on the profound importance of the Constitution and Rules of the TS as given in 1890 one will find the following passages:
                                    "ARTICLE XIII
                                    Offences
                                    1. Any Fellow who shall in any way attempt to involve the Society In political disputes shall be immediately expelled.
                                    2. No Fellow, Officer, or Council of the Theosophical Society, or of any Section or Branch thereof, shall promulgate or maintain any doctrines being that advanced, or advocated by the Society."
                                    http://www.teozofija.info/tsmembers/Rules_1890.htm

                                    Today the Consitutions and Rules are formulated differently and the words like given in the above are not present. Not as far as I have been able to see it.

                                    Now, how are we to read these words of this 1890 Consitution of the TS, written after the year 1884, when the formation of the Indian National Congress took place?

                                    If the original views of the early TS are to be followed, we no doubt will witness how they aught to be read by reading the article by H. S. Olcott given in 1883.
                                    Here I have taken the central excerpt from another website...

                                    "In the Supplement to The Theosophist for July 1883 can be found a very important pronouncement by Col. H. S. Olcott, the co-founder and President of the Theosophical Society, against mixing Theosophy and politics. This statement, which H.P.B. endorsed, reads:

                                    The tenacious observance by the Founders of our Society of the principle of absolute neutrality, on its behalf, in all questions which lie outside the limits of its declared "objects," ought to have obviated the necessity to say that there is a natural and perpetual divorce between Theosophy and Politics. Upon a hundred platforms I have announced this fact, and every other practicable way, public and private, it has been affirmed and reiterated. Before we came to India, the word Politics had never been pronounced in connection with our names; for the idea was too absurd to be even entertained, much less expressed. But in this country, affairs are in such an exceptional state, that every foreigner, of whatsoever nationality, comes under Police surveillance more or less; and it was natural that we should be looked after until the real purpose of our Society's movements had been thoroughly well shown by the developments of time. That end was reached in due course; and in the year 1880, the Government of India, after an examination of our papers and other evidence, became convinced of our political neutrality, and issued all the necessary orders to relieve us from further annoying surveillance. Since then, we have gone our ways without troubling ourselves more than any other law-abiding persons, about the existence of policemen or detective bureaux. I would not have reverted to so stale a topic if I had not been forced to do so by recent events. I am informed that in Upper India, some unwise members of the Society have been talking about the political questions of the hour, as though authorized to speak for our organization itself, or at least to give to this or that view of current agitations the imprimatur of its approval or disapproval. Again, it was but a fortnight or so ago that one of the most respectable and able of our Hindu fellows strongly importuned me to allow the Theosophical Society's influence—such as it may be—to be thrown in favour of Bills to promote religious instruction for Hindu children, and other "non-political" measures. That our members, and others whom it interests, may make no mistake as to the Society's attitude as regards Politics, I take this occasion to say that our Rules, and traditional policy alike, prohibit every officer and fellow of the Society, AS SUCH, to meddle with political questions in the slightest degree, and to compromise the Society by saying that it has, AS SUCH, any opinion upon those or any other questions. The Presidents of Branches, in all countries, will be good enough to read this protest to their members, and in every instance when initiating a candidate to give him to understand—as I invariably do—the fact of our corporate neutrality. So convinced am I that the perpetuity of our Society depends upon our keeping closely to our legitimate province, and leaving Politics "severely alone," I shall use the full power permitted to me as President-Founder to suspend or expel every member, or even discipline or discharter any Branch which shall, by offending in this respect, imperil the work now so prosperously going on in various parts of the world."
                                    http://www.teosofia.com/Mumbai/7112politics.html


                                    I am saying:
                                    Because of the non-sectarian nature of the Theosophical Society and its objects, we can easily conclude that - party-politics and human made laws, with prison and policemen with guns in their hands - never are to be a part of the Theosohical Society. (Think about the persons who died or got heavy wounded under the demonstrations and protest for Home Rule and workers Unions during the time of Besant. - A changes of heart and improvements ethics are better than the opposite.)

                                    What did Annie Besant, who early in her life previous to her membership of the Theosophical Society, was involved with politics (as a Socialist?), do?
                                    (See Annie Besant's Rise To Power In Indian Politics 1914-1917, by Kumar Raj, page 35-36 and elsewhere. In year 1886 she was a staunch party politics promulgating socialist it seems.)

                                    Duties of the Theosophist by ANNIE BESANT, P.T.S.
                                    (Second Edition) THEOSOPHICAL PUBLISHING HOUSE, Adyar, Madras, India 1927
                                    "They say : " Mrs. Besant is a religious teacher ; she must have nothing to do with politics." But I assure you that just because Mrs. Besant is a religious teacher, therefore she has everything to do with politics"
                                    http://www.anandgholap.net/Duties_Of_The_Theosophist-AB.htm
                                    (I repeat the words from the above quote by Blavatsky: "Foolish is the gardener who seeks to weed his flower-bed of poisonous plants by cutting them off from the surface of the soil, instead of tearing them out by the roots. No lasting political reform can be ever achieved with the same selfish men at the head of affairs as of old")

                                    A COMMENT: Annie Besant had obvoiusly not understood the original objects of the Theosophical Society and the words by the Co-Founders Blavatsky and Olcott in the above quotes.


                                    The future of Indian politics, by Annie Besant, 1922, p. 25-27:
                                    (Printed thorugh the use of and acceptance of Theosphical Publishing House )
                                    "Permission for translation will be given by the Theosphical Publishing House, Adyar Madras."
                                    .......
                                    "The new departure in 1913 resembled in one marked way the new departure when the National Congress was planned in 1884. The seed of both was planted by the Theosophical Society. It was at the Theosophical Convention of that year that a small group of earnest Theo-sophists — deeply concerned for the political future of their country and aroused to a sense of her past powers and her then present impotence by the awakening crusades of H. P. Blavatsky and Henry Steele Olcott, stirring the educated to self-respect and res-pect for their Nation — meeting in Adyar, decided to make an effort for political redemption; feeble as they seemed, they felt strong in their belief that India's ancient Rshis still watched over Their ancient and ever well-loved land, and would aid their efforts to bring about her political resurrection; so they gathered a small meeting in Madras — there were only seventeen of them — and it was there decided to begin " a National move-ment for the saving of the Motherland " (How India Wrought for Freedom p. 2)."
                                    http://archive.org/stream/futureofindianpo00besarich#page/26/mode/2up
                                    (See also page 232-233 ---- COMMENT: Write not "planted by the Theosophical Society" but "planted by some of whom where members of the Theosophical Society". The Society did not plant it, no way. This is just - one of several inaccuracies - forewarded by Annie Besant in this regard, where she allow herself to speak on behalf of the Society, and, thereby give emphasis to Sectarianism in opposition to non-sectarianism. The serious student would do well in remémbering this; M. Sufilight)


                                    HOW INDIA WROUGHT FOR FREEDOM, by Annie Besant, 1915, Foreword:
                                    (Printed thorugh the use of and acceptance of Theosphical Publishing House )
                                    "I fearlessly place this volume before the public, as a proof of India's fitness for Home Rule.The grasp of the questions dealt with, the saga-city of the remedies proposed for poverty and misrule, the sobriety of the claims urged, the knowledge of, and the sympathy with, the sorrows of the people, prove how much better off India would be under Self-Rule than under Other-Rule. Let any unprejudiced student turn over the Resolutions passed by the Congress during thirty years, and see how it laid bare the popular suffering, and how it pointed with uner-ring finger to the causes of that suffering — the drain of Indian wealth to England, the exorbi-tant cost of the alien rule, the ever-increasing military expenditure, the sacrifice of Indian industries, the land-tax ever rising and condemn-ing the peasantry to perpetual indebtedness, and to a hopeless poverty and semi-starvation that have no parallel in any other civilised Nation, it is these facts, covered up by officials, but laid bare by the Congress, which make Home Rule necessary, if a catastrophe is to be avoided.

                                    The daily insult of the Arms Act, the con-stant oppression of the Press and Seditious Meetings Acts, the exclusion of Indians from the higher grades of the Army, the Police, the Educational Service, and a score of other wrongs, while bitterly felt by a high-spirited people, have not in them the immediate menace that lies in the grinding poverty of the masses of the population. People become more or less accustomed to the " atmosphere of inferiority," and oppression, long submitted to, at last dulls pride and weakens self-respect. But people never become accustomed to Hunger, and they become desperate when they see no hope of relief for themselves, nor for their children after them. The danger to British Rule lies far more in the misery of the masses than in the discontent of the educated. To call attention to that danger before it is too late, this book is issued. "
                                    http://archive.org/stream/pts_howindiawroughtf_3720-0946#page/n9/mode/2up

                                    How the above by Annie Besant can be claimed to set the Theosophical Society forward as being unconcerned with politics, I have some difficulties in understanding. I think Annie Besant went too far here, precisely because the above books by her own authorship was published using the Theosphical Publishing House print office - and - even to let it give permission to translations of political texts. And this goes no doubt againt the original intention with the Theosophical Society. Others disregard this, and find it unimportant, perhaps because they support Annie Besant's views and actions in the past, and, like to picture her as without any faults what so ever. Let then explain how the Theosphical Publishing House of the Theosophical Society could be used for such publications and still remain within the original objects of the Theosophical Society. Can they do that? (Their answer will, I think, as always be: Silence. - Becaue they cannot explain it to be in accordance with the original Constitution and objects of the Theosophical Society.)

                                    Thats said, I will also forward the view, that Annie Besant also did a lot of good to other fellow human beings. There can be no doubt about this, I think. She helped females being respected much more. And helping people in social need cannot be wrong; yet a clear empahsis on a non-sectarian spirit was missing too much in her programe, this I do not hesitate saying. And her entaglements with politics and her political publications using the Theosphical Publishing House is still a stain on her banner - if she would follow the Constitution of the Theosophical Society given in year 1890, and not the later deletions and re-organizations of the Society and its Constitution. This is merely how I see it, when I forward such a short presentation of it.



                                    All the above are merely my views.
                                    I can only have the hope that they are useful to some of the readers.



                                    M. Sufilight







                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: Cass Silva
                                    To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 3:19 AM
                                    Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka



                                    Morten, perhaps you can explain Annie Besant's political involvement in India, which goes against the three objects?
                                    Cass

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                                    From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                    To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Friday, 24 May 2013 1:51 AM
                                    Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka



                                    Dear Cass

                                    My views are:

                                    Are you sure about this?
                                    I find your claim or view somewhat illogical. And I think you will realize it by some afterthought.

                                    The Theosophical Society is as about wisdom and knowledge not merely beliefs, dogmatism, and certainly not fanatical beliefs about Masters of various names, new or old. And in a non-Sectarian Theosophical Society each member were (and hopefully still are) entitled to his or her own views about Masters and forwarding his or her own individual (organizationally non-sectarian) teachings about Masters. A non-Sectarian Theosophical Society does not exclude individuals having exchanges upon Masters and what they might be or not be, and whether they exist or do not exist. - And let us have the Coulomb scandal in mind, when the masters almost became a term not allowed to be mentioned in the TS.

                                    (I will add: But the promulgation of continous false claims about the Theosophical Society (for instance - picturing is it as being a sectarian belief in Master KH and Morya of Blavatsky's version - or something else or similar), and the same about persons and their views about masters and false claims about masters, where one have recognized ones own views on this as false, --- and then despite this keep promoting these false views and claims - sometimes by selling books on such falsehoods are not acceptable as far as I am concerned. --- Let those who recognize the authors which is within this frame understand what I am talking about. And I will allow myself to protest against such persons and authors. And let them tell me that I attack them when I protest, and I will tell them that their mouth lies because they are unethical and claim for themselves the right to attack others and will not allow others to defend against perceived falsehood, not even in
                                    a well meant philosophical exchange about the matter - seeking truth for truth sake and altruism.)

                                    M. Sufilight

                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: Cass Silva
                                    To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:26 AM
                                    Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                    Without the Masters (Teachers) there would be no teaching to believe in.
                                    Cass

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                                    From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                    To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2013 1:18 AM
                                    Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                    Dear Cass

                                    My views are:

                                    Blavatsky is here in the below in agreement with Patterson on that the Exoteric Theosophical Society was not created so to have belief in the Masters as a requisite. See her footnote, where she for years have repeated this view. And since Blavatsky do not oppose Patterson in any of his words I find it difficult to think that she meant anything else. She in fact support his words early in the article in mention. See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 115, Feb. 1891.
                                    And Blavatsky died only 3 months later. These are merely my views.

                                    It is, as I see it, important to understand the non-sectarian nature of the Exoteric TS, and, also the Esoteric Section. The first have nobody forwarding a doctrine on behalf of its members. The latter had, but had it with an understanding of what non-sectarian organizations versus sectarian organizations were and still is, as concepts. There those who create what they call Esoteric Sections, and who do not understand the difference between sectarian organizations (where A DOCTRINE are forwarded on behalf of others - where forced beliefs pressure towards beliefs in the Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. ARE BEING USED or at least NOT clearly OPPOSED - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find UN-Ethical) and non-sectarian organizations (where NO doctrine are forwarded on behalf of others - where NONE are using forced beliefs in Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find
                                    Ethical). These are however merely my views.

                                    See here:
                                    "COMMENTS ON “THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY AND H.P.B.”
                                    by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. with comments by HPB in footnotes
                                    [Lucifer, Vol. VII, No. 42, February, 1891, pp. 451-455]
                                    (Inserted by M. Sufilight: http://www.theosopher.net/dzyan/lucifer/lucifer_v7_n42_february_1891.pdf )
                                    " The honest materialist, the honest agnostic, the honest spiritualist, the honest christian-scientist, the honest dogmatic christian, may be an honest disbeliever in H. P. B. and the Masters, and an honest member of the Theosophical Society too, provided he is enlisted in the cause of humanity.† Let us hold the "
                                    .......
                                    [FOOTNOTE]
                                    † I have repeated these words for years: it is my stereotyped answer to enquirers who ask me whether belief in the MASTERS is obligatory in joining the T. S.—[H. P. B.]
                                    .......
                                    "doors wide open; let us set up no unnecessary barriers, and let us wait outside until the last one has entered. We can thus best serve, thus best defend. This is not a policy of silence; it does not prevent our using pen and voice in defence of our beloved leader; but it should prevent making belief in her a qualification, even if an unwritten one, for membership in good standing in the Theosophical Society. There are now many good members who are doubters on this point. Don’t let us drive them away by intolerance."
                                    http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm
                                    (I suggest that one read this article carefully. Because it is very important to understand, when one seek to understand Blavatsky's stance on the Exoteric TS versus the Esoteric Section and their relations to each other.)

                                    Anyone?

                                    _____
                                    And since Blavatsky in her Footnote claim to have - repeated these words for years - I find it hard to think that Blavatsky walked away from the Exoteric Section of the Theosophical Society. No, she merely formed the Esoteric Section because quite a number of the members of the Society requested it. This was also what she wrote here in the same article with links given in the above:
                                    "Owing to the fact that a large number of Fellows of the Society have felt the necessity for the formation of a body of Esoteric students, to be organized on the ORIGINAL LINES devised by the real founders of the T.S." (See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 116, Feb. 1891 - See also BCW. Vol. XII, p. 481, Oct. 1888 - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v12/y1890_052.htm)

                                    H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
                                    "Because (a) Madame Blavatsky does not owe the slightest allegiance to a Council which is liable at any moment to issue silly and untheosophical ukases; and (b) for the simple reason that she recognizes but one person in the T.S. besides herself, namely Colonel Olcott, as having the right of effecting fundamental re-organizations in a Society which owes its life to them, and for which they are both karmically responsible. If the acting editor makes slight account of a sacred pledge, neither Col. Olcott nor H. P. Blavatsky are likely to do so. H. P. Blavatsky will always bow before the decision of the majority of a Section or even a simple Branch; but she will ever protest against the decision of the General Council, were it composed of Archangels and Dhyan Chohans themselves, if their decision seems to her unjust, or untheosophical, or fails to meet with the approval of the majority of the Fellows. No more than H. P. Blavatsky has the President-Founder
                                    the right of exercising autocracy or papal powers, and Col. Olcott would be the last man in the world to attempt to do so. It is the two Founders and especially the President, who have virtually sworn allegiance to the Fellows, whom they have to protect, and teach those who want to be taught, and not to tyrannize and rule over them."
                                    http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v11/y1889_049.htm
                                    (Indeed. Very well written words.)

                                    All the above are merely my views.
                                    I can only have the hope that they are useful to some of the readers.

                                    M. Sufilight

                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: Cass Silva
                                    To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:06 AM
                                    Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                    Nobody suggested that HPB closed down or had intentions to close down what she saw as the Exoteric TS. She simply walked away from it and formed her own esoteric chapter, which if I am not mistaken, was by invitation only.

                                    Cass

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                                    From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                    To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013 1:21 AM
                                    Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                    Dear Jeremy and all readers

                                    My views are:

                                    Yes, but this "impulse" by Blavatsky and Olcott of what ever kind it was, was not an expression of forwarding an impulse on behalf of the Theosophical Society, because it was absolutely non-sectarian in its organizational structure. This "impulse" was merely forwarded on behalf of themselves. And this is important.

                                    As I see it:
                                    We have to distinguish the Theosophical Society from Esoteric Buddhism (in its pure form) organizationally speaking, although real Esoteric Buddhism - if it claim to be ethical - do give emphasis to a non-sectarian concept where no member are teaching the members (as leaders) on behalf of an Exoteric Society.
                                    This is important and seems not to be given the needed ethical emphasis or is not being understood for its ethical importance in various Alice A. Bailey organizations.

                                    Blavatsky wrote in the Key to Theosophy, p. 12-15 + 19:
                                    "THEOSOPHY IS NOT BUDDHISM "
                                    "Yet Theosophy is not Buddhism."
                                    .......
                                    " ENQUIRER. Which system do you prefer or follow, in that case, besides Buddhistic ethics?

                                    THEOSOPHIST. None, and all. We hold to no religion, as to no philosophy in particular: we cull the good we find in each. But here, again, it must be stated that, like all other ancient systems, Theosophy is divided into Exoteric and Esoteric Sections. "
                                    http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm#p12

                                    So Blavatsky did not plan to close down the absolutely Non-Sectarian Theosophical Society. At least not in 1889, when this book was published.
                                    And, as I recently showed in a post to Cass here on the forum, neither later in 1891. (See the footnotes by HPB in this article by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. and read by all means the article carefully - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm )
                                    And there are plenty of info showing this to be true.

                                    M. Sufilight

                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: Jeremy Condick
                                    To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                    Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 10:14 PM
                                    Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                    Dear Morton, I agree in context with your thoughts on empty exoteric or dogmatic rituals or possibly lavish expressions of such. However your inclination to steer away from the intention does not serve the purpose of that fact that HPB and Olcott accomplished a great service at that time of inaugurating a "new impulse" to a time of ignorance in Buddhism in "its pure form" note that term Morton, and to the renewed confidence for the individual to 'express, teach and profess' themselves as Buddhists in public.

                                    Buddhism as a "new impulse", "in its pure form," that is the point and has nothing to do with what you mind people celebrate, or not. With every new impulse there will be resurgence of lavish expression by the mass which is inevitable however the underlying theme of purity or pure form will have been established and remains for those who seek or understand. JPC.

                                    "In the year 1880, Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott paid their first visit to Ceylon, and honestly and
                                    publicly declared themselves Buddhists, and in furtherance of the dear wish of their heart they established
                                    branches of the Theosophical Society in various parts of the Island. By their united endeavours, I must admit
                                    that a new impulse has been given to Buddhism; so much so, that the many thousands of natives of the Island,
                                    who had hitherto remained ignorant of Buddhism in its pure form, and those who were ashamed to declare
                                    themselves Buddhists in public, have all begun to learn, teach and profess Buddhism most openly and
                                    vigorously." BCW X 238.

                                    > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                    > From: global-theosophy@...
                                    > Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:38:34 +0200
                                    > Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                                    >
                                    > Dear Jeremy
                                    >
                                    > interesting.
                                    >
                                    > I will quote the following from the passage CW Vol. X, p. 238:
                                    > "The most enthusiastic and lavish manner in which the Buddhists of Ceylon celebrated the Wesak days of the past two years, cannot but fail to testify to their honest belief in Buddhism, and to the substantial work done by Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism. . . . .
                                    > This is all correct, and the two above named personages feel proud to see their feeble services so well appreciated and remembered. But they would certainly feel still happier had the actual state of the moral standard in Ceylon-once the pearl of the Indian Ocean-been such as not to have necessitated the letter published in the same paper by a "Chela." This shows the reverse of the medal and mars somewhat the delight of those who have devoted their life to the noble work of spreading the philosophy of the great "Light of Asia." For, it is not the modern temple-Buddhism with all the excrescences that have crept into it, but verily the esoteric Budhism, * of the Lord Gautama, the BUDDHA, that the Founders had in view, when working for the REVIVAL OF BUDDHISM."
                                    > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_097.htm
                                    >
                                    > And then I will add the following...
                                    >
                                    > About empty exoteric rituals we find that the co-founder H. P. Blavatsky is said to have written:
                                    > "The T.S. was not created to propagate any dogma of any exoteric, ritualistic church, whether Buddhist, Brahmanical, or Christian. This idea is a wide-spread and general mistake; and that of the eminent Sanskritist is due to a self-evident source which misled him."
                                    > (....Reading the whole article could be helpful...the rest of the article....is a different matter to exchange upon...)
                                    > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_064.htm
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > I do not mind that people celebarate what they like to celebrate.
                                    > But I suggest that we do not think that Blavatsky strongly supported empty exoteric religious rituals.
                                    > But each person will no doubt seek thier own view about these matters.
                                    >
                                    > All the above are just my views. They were forwarded as a possible help to the Seekers After Truth and Wisdom.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > M. Sufilight
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From: Jeremy Condick
                                    > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                    > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:01 PM
                                    > Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > The
                                    > reference on Wesak, HPB and Col. Olcott CW X 238 in Ceylon which is
                                    > now Sri Lanka, speaks of the "substantial work done by Madame
                                    > Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism" and of their
                                    > "new impulse" given to Buddhism there at that time 1880. As
                                    > Sri lanka [changed from Ceylon May 22 1972] celebrates Wesak on the
                                    > time of the full moon and as given today as May 17 for that location
                                    > also, we might think that HPB and Col. Olcott indeed gave fresh
                                    > impulse to the Wesak festival still celebrated there to this day at
                                    > the correct lunar time and month of May, as indicated below.
                                    >
                                    > Buddhism was indeed reformed in its purest sense in spite of
                                    > colonial power and indeed HPB and Olcott were known as 'white
                                    > Buddhists" and were honoured as such. If initially, and I do not
                                    > think this extended to long, wesak was subsequently recognised in
                                    > April there, it was due to the British governor Sir Arthur Gordon for
                                    > April 28, 1885, not HPB. However, the true time and recognition was
                                    > practised by the native Sinhalese Buddhists.
                                    >
                                    > They [HPB and
                                    > Olcott] made possible the public holiday or celebration recognised by
                                    > the colonial rule and formed the "Buddhist education fund"
                                    > also the "buddhist defence committee" of which Olcott was
                                    > an honorary member and representative for Great Britain. We can but
                                    > imagine the influence often not seen that such figures as HPB and
                                    > Olcott had on the Wesak festival and other things throughout the
                                    > world and indeed inaugurating its resurgence to the time of writing
                                    > of Alice Bailey with the greatly expanded information on the
                                    > spiritual festivals including the Wesak festival. JPC. posted twelve months prior on theos-talk.
                                    >
                                    > "The
                                    > decision by the Theosophists to inaugurate the Buddhist Education
                                    > Fund on the Wesak Poya (full moon day) of May 13, 1881 is one example
                                    > of how useful the Wesak festival was as a tool for revitalizing
                                    > Buddhism (Somaratna 6)."
                                    >
                                    > 20 Colonel Henry Steele Olcott was an American who, along
                                    > with Madame Blavatsky, organized the Theosophical Society in 1875. He
                                    > landed in Sri Lanka on 17 February 1875 (a day once celebrated as
                                    > "Olcott Day" in Independent Sri Lanka) and proceeded to
                                    > form the Buddhist Theosophical Society. He was influential in
                                    > promoting a Buddhist revival in Sri Lanka (Fields 62).
                                    >
                                    > http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bVeaj5f0dOcJ:mrsp.mcgill.ca/reports/html/Wesak/index.htm+ceylon+wesak+date+1880&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk
                                    >
                                    > "Vesak is celebrated as a religious and a cultural
                                    > festival in Sri Lanka on the full moon of the month of May, for a
                                    > duration of one week." wikipedia
                                    >
                                    > "The government has
                                    > declared May 14- 21 as the Vesak Week to coincide with the 2600th
                                    > Sambuddathwa Jayanthi celebrations."
                                    > "The Vesak year
                                    > declared will be from May 17, 2011 this Year's Vesak Poya Day to next
                                    > year's Vesak Poya Day."
                                    >
                                    > http://www.colombopage.com/archive_11/May15_1305480919CH.php
                                    >
                                    > "All Ceylon Buddhist Congress (ACBC) made elaborate
                                    > arrangements to celebrate the forthcoming Sambuddhathwa Jayanthi
                                    > Bauddhaloka Wesak religious festival for the 10th consecutive year,
                                    > from 17th to 21st May 2011 along Bauddhaloka Mawatha, Colombo 7.
                                    >
                                    > Buddhist schools to participate in Vesak
                                    > celebrations
                                    >
                                    > Priyanka
                                    > Kurugala
                                    >
                                    > The
                                    > Education Ministry will conduct a series of programmes to mark Vesak
                                    > Week with the participation of Buddhist schools countrywide.
                                    >
                                    > The
                                    > Education Ministry has informed Provincial Education Secretaries,
                                    > Provincial Directors, Zonal Directors and Divisional Directors, Deans
                                    > of National Education Faculties, Principals and teachers to conduct
                                    > these programme in a fitting manner.
                                    >
                                    > Shramadana
                                    > and environment conversation programmes will be held on May 2.
                                    > Creation of Vesak decorations will be carried on May 3.
                                    >
                                    > A
                                    > sill observation programme will be held on May 4.
                                    >
                                    > The
                                    > programme will be held with the participation of schoolchildren and
                                    > teachers in Buddhist schools. Displaying of Vesak decorations ,
                                    > lighting Vesak lanterns and lamps, participating in religious
                                    > activities in temples, dansal serving tea, herbal drinks, flower
                                    > offerings and Vesak Bakthi Gee will be held at school level on May 5
                                    > and 6.
                                    >
                                    > The
                                    > certificate awarding ceremony for participants as well as teachers
                                    > and schoolchildren will be held on May 8.
                                    >
                                    > 2012.
                                    > http://www.dailynews.lk/2012/05/01/news12.asp
                                    >
                                    > > To: Theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > From: mkr777@...
                                    > > Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:15:04 -0500
                                    > > Subject: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                                    > >
                                    > > Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
                                    > > to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
                                    > > Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
                                    > > tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
                                    > > the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
                                    > > reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > <
                                    > > http://groundviews.org/2013/05/20/beyond-nostalgia-children-of-olcott-must-revisit-history/
                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    > > MKR
                                    > >
                                    > >
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                                    > >
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                                  • Cass Silva
                                    lol Ah, so you have gone to the dark side Morten! Cass ________________________________ From: M. Sufilight To:
                                    Message 17 of 22 , May 24, 2013
                                      lol Ah, so you have gone to the dark side Morten!
                                      Cass


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                                      From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                      To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Friday, 24 May 2013 10:29 PM
                                      Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka



                                       
                                      Dear Cass

                                      My views are:

                                      Okay.
                                      Each member in a non-sectarian Theosophical Society are of course in a situation where they can study her teachings and views (which by the way never was forwarded with the aim that the readers should merely believe Blavatsky on her word). Such a study can of course be done in a philosophical non-sectarian spirit seeking knowledge and - not - mere belief and fanaticism, - not confusing knowledge with belief and fanaticism. The non-sectarian Theosophical Society are of course because of its objects in opposition to fanaticism and superstition and dogmatism. The Society are for the seekers after knowledge, not seekers after sectarian fanaticism coupled with religious intolerance. At least so it was originally, (and perhaps less today?). People sometimes forget this, it seems. (Annie Besant sought to give her view upon belief in the Masters here in a 1913 article: "Is Belief in the Masters Superstitious or Harmful"
                                      http://www.anandgholap.net/AP/Is_Belief_In_Masters_Superstitious-AB.htm - And I disagree in the sense, that Annie Besant forgot to mention that such teachings on the Masters and what not, never aught to be pressurized upon the members of the Society, and neither turned into an exoteric orthodox religious theater - promulgation religous fanatcicism with silver-bagdes, scarf's etc., etc, on the TS compound, allowing some to have their rituals, and new age rituals, and discarding others - and without any clear explantion for such a biassed stance. That was - apparently - maybe also why Olcott and his friends was opposed by Master KH when as Blavatsky said: "the superlatively idiotic idea of a Temple of Humanity or Universal Brotherhood came into Olcott’s pumpkin", and with a shrine for the portraits of the two Masters... (See p. 163 in The Letters of HPB to A. P. Sinnett: http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/Letters%20of%20HPB.htm)

                                      - Again I will refer to the aricle by Patterson and the comments in it by Blavatsky. -
                                      "COMMENTS ON “THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY AND H.P.B.”
                                      ...for instance saying the following...
                                      " The Theosophical Society has no creeds, but its members seem scarcely able to avoid making them in spite of all efforts to the contrary. "....."And why speak of the Society as an absurdity without Masters? Are its objects, especially the first, nothing? If those objects were even partially lived up to, and again let us say “especially the first,” would no good come of it? Most certainly, and it is perhaps this good which the Masters are seeking, rather than the acceptance of any philosophy, or any recognition of themselves.*"...[FOOTNOTE] "* Our Brother, Mr. Patterson, is quite correct.—[H.P.B.] " - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm

                                      What study to each member can choose is not to be pressurized upon the members, because all other members might have something to forward as well, and even something better.What can be forrwarded and studied within the Society has to follow the Constitution of the Society and its objects, and non-sectarian concept (the latter was reformulated in year 1923 and called the concept of Freedom of Thought). Religious tolerance - is what is lacking, and Patterson rightly highlighted the problem in his article.

                                      All the above are merely my views. Most of which I claim can be documented, when compared to the views of the Co-Founders of the Society, (HPB and Olcott).

                                      M. Sufilight

                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: Cass Silva
                                      To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 3:17 AM
                                      Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                      OK perhaps 'believe in' was the wrong wording, should have been, there would be 'no teaching to study'. HPB linked herself with the Masters therefore there is a link with them and Leadbeater and Besant were aware of this hence their illusionary so called contact with them as some sort of proof of Leadbeater's integrity.

                                      If one is to study what HPB left us, how can one do so, without acknowledging that she received this knowledge from them. To deny their existence makes a liar out of HPB.!

                                      Cass

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                                      From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                      To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Friday, 24 May 2013 1:51 AM
                                      Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                      Dear Cass

                                      My views are:

                                      Are you sure about this?
                                      I find your claim or view somewhat illogical. And I think you will realize it by some afterthought.

                                      The Theosophical Society is as about wisdom and knowledge not merely beliefs, dogmatism, and certainly not fanatical beliefs about Masters of various names, new or old. And in a non-Sectarian Theosophical Society each member were (and hopefully still are) entitled to his or her own views about Masters and forwarding his or her own individual (organizationally non-sectarian) teachings about Masters. A non-Sectarian Theosophical Society does not exclude individuals having exchanges upon Masters and what they might be or not be, and whether they exist or do not exist. - And let us have the Coulomb scandal in mind, when the masters almost became a term not allowed to be mentioned in the TS.

                                      (I will add: But the promulgation of continous false claims about the Theosophical Society (for instance - picturing is it as being a sectarian belief in Master KH and Morya of Blavatsky's version - or something else or similar), and the same about persons and their views about masters and false claims about masters, where one have recognized ones own views on this as false, --- and then despite this keep promoting these false views and claims - sometimes by selling books on such falsehoods are not acceptable as far as I am concerned. --- Let those who recognize the authors which is within this frame understand what I am talking about. And I will allow myself to protest against such persons and authors. And let them tell me that I attack them when I protest, and I will tell them that their mouth lies because they are unethical and claim for themselves the right to attack others and will not allow others to defend against perceived falsehood, not even in
                                      a well meant philosophical exchange about the matter - seeking truth for truth sake and altruism.)

                                      M. Sufilight

                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: Cass Silva
                                      To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:26 AM
                                      Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                      Without the Masters (Teachers) there would be no teaching to believe in.
                                      Cass

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                                      From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                      To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2013 1:18 AM
                                      Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                      Dear Cass

                                      My views are:

                                      Blavatsky is here in the below in agreement with Patterson on that the Exoteric Theosophical Society was not created so to have belief in the Masters as a requisite. See her footnote, where she for years have repeated this view. And since Blavatsky do not oppose Patterson in any of his words I find it difficult to think that she meant anything else. She in fact support his words early in the article in mention. See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 115, Feb. 1891.
                                      And Blavatsky died only 3 months later. These are merely my views.

                                      It is, as I see it, important to understand the non-sectarian nature of the Exoteric TS, and, also the Esoteric Section. The first have nobody forwarding a doctrine on behalf of its members. The latter had, but had it with an understanding of what non-sectarian organizations versus sectarian organizations were and still is, as concepts. There those who create what they call Esoteric Sections, and who do not understand the difference between sectarian organizations (where A DOCTRINE are forwarded on behalf of others - where forced beliefs pressure towards beliefs in the Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. ARE BEING USED or at least NOT clearly OPPOSED - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find UN-Ethical) and non-sectarian organizations (where NO doctrine are forwarded on behalf of others - where NONE are using forced beliefs in Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find
                                      Ethical). These are however merely my views.

                                      See here:
                                      "COMMENTS ON “THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY AND H.P.B.”
                                      by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. with comments by HPB in footnotes
                                      [Lucifer, Vol. VII, No. 42, February, 1891, pp. 451-455]
                                      (Inserted by M. Sufilight: http://www.theosopher.net/dzyan/lucifer/lucifer_v7_n42_february_1891.pdf )
                                      " The honest materialist, the honest agnostic, the honest spiritualist, the honest christian-scientist, the honest dogmatic christian, may be an honest disbeliever in H. P. B. and the Masters, and an honest member of the Theosophical Society too, provided he is enlisted in the cause of humanity.† Let us hold the "
                                      .......
                                      [FOOTNOTE]
                                      † I have repeated these words for years: it is my stereotyped answer to enquirers who ask me whether belief in the MASTERS is obligatory in joining the T. S.—[H. P. B.]
                                      .......
                                      "doors wide open; let us set up no unnecessary barriers, and let us wait outside until the last one has entered. We can thus best serve, thus best defend. This is not a policy of silence; it does not prevent our using pen and voice in defence of our beloved leader; but it should prevent making belief in her a qualification, even if an unwritten one, for membership in good standing in the Theosophical Society. There are now many good members who are doubters on this point. Don’t let us drive them away by intolerance."
                                      http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm
                                      (I suggest that one read this article carefully. Because it is very important to understand, when one seek to understand Blavatsky's stance on the Exoteric TS versus the Esoteric Section and their relations to each other.)

                                      Anyone?

                                      _____
                                      And since Blavatsky in her Footnote claim to have - repeated these words for years - I find it hard to think that Blavatsky walked away from the Exoteric Section of the Theosophical Society. No, she merely formed the Esoteric Section because quite a number of the members of the Society requested it. This was also what she wrote here in the same article with links given in the above:
                                      "Owing to the fact that a large number of Fellows of the Society have felt the necessity for the formation of a body of Esoteric students, to be organized on the ORIGINAL LINES devised by the real founders of the T.S." (See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 116, Feb. 1891 - See also BCW. Vol. XII, p. 481, Oct. 1888 - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v12/y1890_052.htm)

                                      H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
                                      "Because (a) Madame Blavatsky does not owe the slightest allegiance to a Council which is liable at any moment to issue silly and untheosophical ukases; and (b) for the simple reason that she recognizes but one person in the T.S. besides herself, namely Colonel Olcott, as having the right of effecting fundamental re-organizations in a Society which owes its life to them, and for which they are both karmically responsible. If the acting editor makes slight account of a sacred pledge, neither Col. Olcott nor H. P. Blavatsky are likely to do so. H. P. Blavatsky will always bow before the decision of the majority of a Section or even a simple Branch; but she will ever protest against the decision of the General Council, were it composed of Archangels and Dhyan Chohans themselves, if their decision seems to her unjust, or untheosophical, or fails to meet with the approval of the majority of the Fellows. No more than H. P. Blavatsky has the President-Founder
                                      the right of exercising autocracy or papal powers, and Col. Olcott would be the last man in the world to attempt to do so. It is the two Founders and especially the President, who have virtually sworn allegiance to the Fellows, whom they have to protect, and teach those who want to be taught, and not to tyrannize and rule over them."
                                      http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v11/y1889_049.htm
                                      (Indeed. Very well written words.)

                                      All the above are merely my views.
                                      I can only have the hope that they are useful to some of the readers.

                                      M. Sufilight

                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: Cass Silva
                                      To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:06 AM
                                      Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                      Nobody suggested that HPB closed down or had intentions to close down what she saw as the Exoteric TS. She simply walked away from it and formed her own esoteric chapter, which if I am not mistaken, was by invitation only.

                                      Cass

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                                      From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                      To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013 1:21 AM
                                      Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                      Dear Jeremy and all readers

                                      My views are:

                                      Yes, but this "impulse" by Blavatsky and Olcott of what ever kind it was, was not an expression of forwarding an impulse on behalf of the Theosophical Society, because it was absolutely non-sectarian in its organizational structure. This "impulse" was merely forwarded on behalf of themselves. And this is important.

                                      As I see it:
                                      We have to distinguish the Theosophical Society from Esoteric Buddhism (in its pure form) organizationally speaking, although real Esoteric Buddhism - if it claim to be ethical - do give emphasis to a non-sectarian concept where no member are teaching the members (as leaders) on behalf of an Exoteric Society.
                                      This is important and seems not to be given the needed ethical emphasis or is not being understood for its ethical importance in various Alice A. Bailey organizations.

                                      Blavatsky wrote in the Key to Theosophy, p. 12-15 + 19:
                                      "THEOSOPHY IS NOT BUDDHISM "
                                      "Yet Theosophy is not Buddhism."
                                      .......
                                      " ENQUIRER. Which system do you prefer or follow, in that case, besides Buddhistic ethics?

                                      THEOSOPHIST. None, and all. We hold to no religion, as to no philosophy in particular: we cull the good we find in each. But here, again, it must be stated that, like all other ancient systems, Theosophy is divided into Exoteric and Esoteric Sections. "
                                      http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm#p12

                                      So Blavatsky did not plan to close down the absolutely Non-Sectarian Theosophical Society. At least not in 1889, when this book was published.
                                      And, as I recently showed in a post to Cass here on the forum, neither later in 1891. (See the footnotes by HPB in this article by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. and read by all means the article carefully - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm )
                                      And there are plenty of info showing this to be true.

                                      M. Sufilight

                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      From: Jeremy Condick
                                      To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                      Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 10:14 PM
                                      Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                      Dear Morton, I agree in context with your thoughts on empty exoteric or dogmatic rituals or possibly lavish expressions of such. However your inclination to steer away from the intention does not serve the purpose of that fact that HPB and Olcott accomplished a great service at that time of inaugurating a "new impulse" to a time of ignorance in Buddhism in "its pure form" note that term Morton, and to the renewed confidence for the individual to 'express, teach and profess' themselves as Buddhists in public.

                                      Buddhism as a "new impulse", "in its pure form," that is the point and has nothing to do with what you mind people celebrate, or not. With every new impulse there will be resurgence of lavish expression by the mass which is inevitable however the underlying theme of purity or pure form will have been established and remains for those who seek or understand. JPC.

                                      "In the year 1880, Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott paid their first visit to Ceylon, and honestly and
                                      publicly declared themselves Buddhists, and in furtherance of the dear wish of their heart they established
                                      branches of the Theosophical Society in various parts of the Island. By their united endeavours, I must admit
                                      that a new impulse has been given to Buddhism; so much so, that the many thousands of natives of the Island,
                                      who had hitherto remained ignorant of Buddhism in its pure form, and those who were ashamed to declare
                                      themselves Buddhists in public, have all begun to learn, teach and profess Buddhism most openly and
                                      vigorously." BCW X 238.

                                      > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                      > From: global-theosophy@...
                                      > Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:38:34 +0200
                                      > Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                                      >
                                      > Dear Jeremy
                                      >
                                      > interesting.
                                      >
                                      > I will quote the following from the passage CW Vol. X, p. 238:
                                      > "The most enthusiastic and lavish manner in which the Buddhists of Ceylon celebrated the Wesak days of the past two years, cannot but fail to testify to their honest belief in Buddhism, and to the substantial work done by Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism. . . . .
                                      > This is all correct, and the two above named personages feel proud to see their feeble services so well appreciated and remembered. But they would certainly feel still happier had the actual state of the moral standard in Ceylon-once the pearl of the Indian Ocean-been such as not to have necessitated the letter published in the same paper by a "Chela." This shows the reverse of the medal and mars somewhat the delight of those who have devoted their life to the noble work of spreading the philosophy of the great "Light of Asia." For, it is not the modern temple-Buddhism with all the excrescences that have crept into it, but verily the esoteric Budhism, * of the Lord Gautama, the BUDDHA, that the Founders had in view, when working for the REVIVAL OF BUDDHISM."
                                      > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_097.htm
                                      >
                                      > And then I will add the following...
                                      >
                                      > About empty exoteric rituals we find that the co-founder H. P. Blavatsky is said to have written:
                                      > "The T.S. was not created to propagate any dogma of any exoteric, ritualistic church, whether Buddhist, Brahmanical, or Christian. This idea is a wide-spread and general mistake; and that of the eminent Sanskritist is due to a self-evident source which misled him."
                                      > (....Reading the whole article could be helpful...the rest of the article....is a different matter to exchange upon...)
                                      > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_064.htm
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > I do not mind that people celebarate what they like to celebrate.
                                      > But I suggest that we do not think that Blavatsky strongly supported empty exoteric religious rituals.
                                      > But each person will no doubt seek thier own view about these matters.
                                      >
                                      > All the above are just my views. They were forwarded as a possible help to the Seekers After Truth and Wisdom.
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > M. Sufilight
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > ----- Original Message -----
                                      > From: Jeremy Condick
                                      > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                      > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:01 PM
                                      > Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > The
                                      > reference on Wesak, HPB and Col. Olcott CW X 238 in Ceylon which is
                                      > now Sri Lanka, speaks of the "substantial work done by Madame
                                      > Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism" and of their
                                      > "new impulse" given to Buddhism there at that time 1880. As
                                      > Sri lanka [changed from Ceylon May 22 1972] celebrates Wesak on the
                                      > time of the full moon and as given today as May 17 for that location
                                      > also, we might think that HPB and Col. Olcott indeed gave fresh
                                      > impulse to the Wesak festival still celebrated there to this day at
                                      > the correct lunar time and month of May, as indicated below.
                                      >
                                      > Buddhism was indeed reformed in its purest sense in spite of
                                      > colonial power and indeed HPB and Olcott were known as 'white
                                      > Buddhists" and were honoured as such. If initially, and I do not
                                      > think this extended to long, wesak was subsequently recognised in
                                      > April there, it was due to the British governor Sir Arthur Gordon for
                                      > April 28, 1885, not HPB. However, the true time and recognition was
                                      > practised by the native Sinhalese Buddhists.
                                      >
                                      > They [HPB and
                                      > Olcott] made possible the public holiday or celebration recognised by
                                      > the colonial rule and formed the "Buddhist education fund"
                                      > also the "buddhist defence committee" of which Olcott was
                                      > an honorary member and representative for Great Britain. We can but
                                      > imagine the influence often not seen that such figures as HPB and
                                      > Olcott had on the Wesak festival and other things throughout the
                                      > world and indeed inaugurating its resurgence to the time of writing
                                      > of Alice Bailey with the greatly expanded information on the
                                      > spiritual festivals including the Wesak festival. JPC. posted twelve months prior on theos-talk.
                                      >
                                      > "The
                                      > decision by the Theosophists to inaugurate the Buddhist Education
                                      > Fund on the Wesak Poya (full moon day) of May 13, 1881 is one example
                                      > of how useful the Wesak festival was as a tool for revitalizing
                                      > Buddhism (Somaratna 6)."
                                      >
                                      > 20 Colonel Henry Steele Olcott was an American who, along
                                      > with Madame Blavatsky, organized the Theosophical Society in 1875. He
                                      > landed in Sri Lanka on 17 February 1875 (a day once celebrated as
                                      > "Olcott Day" in Independent Sri Lanka) and proceeded to
                                      > form the Buddhist Theosophical Society. He was influential in
                                      > promoting a Buddhist revival in Sri Lanka (Fields 62).
                                      >
                                      > http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bVeaj5f0dOcJ:mrsp.mcgill.ca/reports/html/Wesak/index.htm+ceylon+wesak+date+1880&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk
                                      >
                                      > "Vesak is celebrated as a religious and a cultural
                                      > festival in Sri Lanka on the full moon of the month of May, for a
                                      > duration of one week." wikipedia
                                      >
                                      > "The government has
                                      > declared May 14- 21 as the Vesak Week to coincide with the 2600th
                                      > Sambuddathwa Jayanthi celebrations."
                                      > "The Vesak year
                                      > declared will be from May 17, 2011 this Year's Vesak Poya Day to next
                                      > year's Vesak Poya Day."
                                      >
                                      > http://www.colombopage.com/archive_11/May15_1305480919CH.php
                                      >
                                      > "All Ceylon Buddhist Congress (ACBC) made elaborate
                                      > arrangements to celebrate the forthcoming Sambuddhathwa Jayanthi
                                      > Bauddhaloka Wesak religious festival for the 10th consecutive year,
                                      > from 17th to 21st May 2011 along Bauddhaloka Mawatha, Colombo 7.
                                      >
                                      > Buddhist schools to participate in Vesak
                                      > celebrations
                                      >
                                      > Priyanka
                                      > Kurugala
                                      >
                                      > The
                                      > Education Ministry will conduct a series of programmes to mark Vesak
                                      > Week with the participation of Buddhist schools countrywide.
                                      >
                                      > The
                                      > Education Ministry has informed Provincial Education Secretaries,
                                      > Provincial Directors, Zonal Directors and Divisional Directors, Deans
                                      > of National Education Faculties, Principals and teachers to conduct
                                      > these programme in a fitting manner.
                                      >
                                      > Shramadana
                                      > and environment conversation programmes will be held on May 2.
                                      > Creation of Vesak decorations will be carried on May 3.
                                      >
                                      > A
                                      > sill observation programme will be held on May 4.
                                      >
                                      > The
                                      > programme will be held with the participation of schoolchildren and
                                      > teachers in Buddhist schools. Displaying of Vesak decorations ,
                                      > lighting Vesak lanterns and lamps, participating in religious
                                      > activities in temples, dansal serving tea, herbal drinks, flower
                                      > offerings and Vesak Bakthi Gee will be held at school level on May 5
                                      > and 6.
                                      >
                                      > The
                                      > certificate awarding ceremony for participants as well as teachers
                                      > and schoolchildren will be held on May 8.
                                      >
                                      > 2012.
                                      > http://www.dailynews.lk/2012/05/01/news12.asp
                                      >
                                      > > To: Theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > From: mkr777@...
                                      > > Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:15:04 -0500
                                      > > Subject: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                                      > >
                                      > > Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
                                      > > to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
                                      > > Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
                                      > > tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
                                      > > the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
                                      > > reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > <
                                      > > http://groundviews.org/2013/05/20/beyond-nostalgia-children-of-olcott-must-revisit-history/
                                      > > >
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                                    • Cass Silva
                                      Firstly Morten, Besant was not a co-founder of the TS.Your two examples show the dichotomy between the two teachings. Besant is pushing religion and claiming a
                                      Message 18 of 22 , May 24, 2013
                                        Firstly Morten, Besant was not a co-founder of the TS.Your two examples show the dichotomy between the two teachings.
                                        Besant is pushing religion and claiming a moral right in that if one is religious one has a duty to be politically involved.

                                        Blavtasky is saying that political reform is pointless until men recognize in their innermost hearts what is real, and what is not real, (i.e. abuse of power, iniquitious law, etc based on political selfishness and then she adds when we achieve this level of moral responsibility, "will disappear (the need for political reform) of itself.  As she says, "no lasting political reform can be ever achieved with the same selfish en at the head of affairs as of old".  Gandhi is a prime example of this as for all the good he attempted to achieve, look at the situation now between Pakistan and India.

                                        Cass
                                        From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                        To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Saturday, 25 May 2013 5:19 AM
                                        Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka



                                         
                                        Dear Cass

                                        My views are:

                                        You do not spare me Cass. You keep asking for more info. Smile.

                                        There are many differing views on this question. Some agree with you and some not.

                                        The following aught to be enough to show the readers, that Annie Besant certainly had a different opinion about the original Consitution and Rules of the Soicety than the Co-Founders Blavatsky and Olcott had.

                                        Duties of the Theosophist by ANNIE BESANT, P.T.S.
                                        (Second Edition) THEOSOPHICAL PUBLISHING HOUSE, Adyar, Madras, India 1927
                                        "You must be religious right through, or else you have no true religion. Nothing is outside Religion. They say : " Mrs. Besant is a religious teacher ; she must have nothing to do with politics." But I assure you that just because Mrs. Besant is a religious teacher, therefore she has everything to do with politics."
                                        http://www.anandgholap.net/Duties_Of_The_Theosophist-AB.htm

                                        Compare this with the below words by the Co-founders H. P. Blavatsky and H. S. Olcott...

                                        Here we go...

                                        The Co-founder H. P. Blavatsky wrote about the TS:
                                        "THE RELATIONS OF THE T. S. TO POLITICAL REFORMS.
                                        To seek to achieve political reforms before we have effected a reform in human nature, is like putting new wine into old bottles. Make men feel and recognize in their innermost hearts what is their real, true duty to all men, and every old abuse of power, every iniquitous law in the national policy, based on human, social or political selfishness, will disappear of itself. Foolish is the gardener who seeks to weed his flower-bed of poisonous plants by cutting them off from the surface of the soil, instead of tearing them out by the roots. No lasting political reform can be ever achieved with the same selfish men at the head of affairs as of old."
                                        (The Key to Theosophy, 1889, p. 231)
                                        http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm#p231

                                        Please do consider the headline: THE RELATIONS OF THE T. S. TO POLITICAL REFORMS. in the above.
                                        Next we have the Constitution of the Theosophical Society as given in 1890. The words are merely a more precise formulation of what from time to time have been stated previously by the Co.Founders of the Theosophical Society.

                                        THE CONSTITUTION AND RULES OF THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY
                                        If one agree on the profound importance of the Constitution and Rules of the TS as given in 1890 one will find the following passages:
                                        "ARTICLE XIII
                                        Offences
                                        1. Any Fellow who shall in any way attempt to involve the Society In political disputes shall be immediately expelled.
                                        2. No Fellow, Officer, or Council of the Theosophical Society, or of any Section or Branch thereof, shall promulgate or maintain any doctrines being that advanced, or advocated by the Society."
                                        http://www.teozofija.info/tsmembers/Rules_1890.htm

                                        Today the Consitutions and Rules are formulated differently and the words like given in the above are not present. Not as far as I have been able to see it.

                                        Now, how are we to read these words of this 1890 Consitution of the TS, written after the year 1884, when the formation of the Indian National Congress took place?

                                        If the original views of the early TS are to be followed, we no doubt will witness how they aught to be read by reading the article by H. S. Olcott given in 1883.
                                        Here I have taken the central excerpt from another website...

                                        "In the Supplement to The Theosophist for July 1883 can be found a very important pronouncement by Col. H. S. Olcott, the co-founder and President of the Theosophical Society, against mixing Theosophy and politics. This statement, which H.P.B. endorsed, reads:

                                        The tenacious observance by the Founders of our Society of the principle of absolute neutrality, on its behalf, in all questions which lie outside the limits of its declared "objects," ought to have obviated the necessity to say that there is a natural and perpetual divorce between Theosophy and Politics. Upon a hundred platforms I have announced this fact, and every other practicable way, public and private, it has been affirmed and reiterated. Before we came to India, the word Politics had never been pronounced in connection with our names; for the idea was too absurd to be even entertained, much less expressed. But in this country, affairs are in such an exceptional state, that every foreigner, of whatsoever nationality, comes under Police surveillance more or less; and it was natural that we should be looked after until the real purpose of our Society's movements had been thoroughly well shown by the developments of time. That end was reached in due
                                        course; and in the year 1880, the Government of India, after an examination of our papers and other evidence, became convinced of our political neutrality, and issued all the necessary orders to relieve us from further annoying surveillance. Since then, we have gone our ways without troubling ourselves more than any other law-abiding persons, about the existence of policemen or detective bureaux. I would not have reverted to so stale a topic if I had not been forced to do so by recent events. I am informed that in Upper India, some unwise members of the Society have been talking about the political questions of the hour, as though authorized to speak for our organization itself, or at least to give to this or that view of current agitations the imprimatur of its approval or disapproval. Again, it was but a fortnight or so ago that one of the most respectable and able of our Hindu fellows strongly importuned me to allow the Theosophical Society's
                                        influence—such as it may be—to be thrown in favour of Bills to promote religious instruction for Hindu children, and other "non-political" measures. That our members, and others whom it interests, may make no mistake as to the Society's attitude as regards Politics, I take this occasion to say that our Rules, and traditional policy alike, prohibit every officer and fellow of the Society, AS SUCH, to meddle with political questions in the slightest degree, and to compromise the Society by saying that it has, AS SUCH, any opinion upon those or any other questions. The Presidents of Branches, in all countries, will be good enough to read this protest to their members, and in every instance when initiating a candidate to give him to understand—as I invariably do—the fact of our corporate neutrality. So convinced am I that the perpetuity of our Society depends upon our keeping closely to our legitimate province, and leaving Politics "severely alone,"
                                        I shall use the full power permitted to me as President-Founder to suspend or expel every member, or even discipline or discharter any Branch which shall, by offending in this respect, imperil the work now so prosperously going on in various parts of the world."
                                        http://www.teosofia.com/Mumbai/7112politics.html

                                        I am saying:
                                        Because of the non-sectarian nature of the Theosophical Society and its objects, we can easily conclude that - party-politics and human made laws, with prison and policemen with guns in their hands - never are to be a part of the Theosohical Society. (Think about the persons who died or got heavy wounded under the demonstrations and protest for Home Rule and workers Unions during the time of Besant. - A changes of heart and improvements ethics are better than the opposite.)

                                        What did Annie Besant, who early in her life previous to her membership of the Theosophical Society, was involved with politics (as a Socialist?), do?
                                        (See Annie Besant's Rise To Power In Indian Politics 1914-1917, by Kumar Raj, page 35-36 and elsewhere. In year 1886 she was a staunch party politics promulgating socialist it seems.)

                                        Duties of the Theosophist by ANNIE BESANT, P.T.S.
                                        (Second Edition) THEOSOPHICAL PUBLISHING HOUSE, Adyar, Madras, India 1927
                                        "They say : " Mrs. Besant is a religious teacher ; she must have nothing to do with politics." But I assure you that just because Mrs. Besant is a religious teacher, therefore she has everything to do with politics"
                                        http://www.anandgholap.net/Duties_Of_The_Theosophist-AB.htm
                                        (I repeat the words from the above quote by Blavatsky: "Foolish is the gardener who seeks to weed his flower-bed of poisonous plants by cutting them off from the surface of the soil, instead of tearing them out by the roots. No lasting political reform can be ever achieved with the same selfish men at the head of affairs as of old")

                                        A COMMENT: Annie Besant had obvoiusly not understood the original objects of the Theosophical Society and the words by the Co-Founders Blavatsky and Olcott in the above quotes.

                                        The future of Indian politics, by Annie Besant, 1922, p. 25-27:
                                        (Printed thorugh the use of and acceptance of Theosphical Publishing House )
                                        "Permission for translation will be given by the Theosphical Publishing House, Adyar Madras."
                                        .......
                                        "The new departure in 1913 resembled in one marked way the new departure when the National Congress was planned in 1884. The seed of both was planted by the Theosophical Society. It was at the Theosophical Convention of that year that a small group of earnest Theo-sophists — deeply concerned for the political future of their country and aroused to a sense of her past powers and her then present impotence by the awakening crusades of H. P. Blavatsky and Henry Steele Olcott, stirring the educated to self-respect and res-pect for their Nation — meeting in Adyar, decided to make an effort for political redemption; feeble as they seemed, they felt strong in their belief that India's ancient Rshis still watched over Their ancient and ever well-loved land, and would aid their efforts to bring about her political resurrection; so they gathered a small meeting in Madras — there were only seventeen of them — and it was there decided to begin " a National
                                        move-ment for the saving of the Motherland " (How India Wrought for Freedom p. 2)."
                                        http://archive.org/stream/futureofindianpo00besarich#page/26/mode/2up
                                        (See also page 232-233 ---- COMMENT: Write not "planted by the Theosophical Society" but "planted by some of whom where members of the Theosophical Society". The Society did not plant it, no way. This is just - one of several inaccuracies - forewarded by Annie Besant in this regard, where she allow herself to speak on behalf of the Society, and, thereby give emphasis to Sectarianism in opposition to non-sectarianism. The serious student would do well in remémbering this; M. Sufilight)

                                        HOW INDIA WROUGHT FOR FREEDOM, by Annie Besant, 1915, Foreword:
                                        (Printed thorugh the use of and acceptance of Theosphical Publishing House )
                                        "I fearlessly place this volume before the public, as a proof of India's fitness for Home Rule.The grasp of the questions dealt with, the saga-city of the remedies proposed for poverty and misrule, the sobriety of the claims urged, the knowledge of, and the sympathy with, the sorrows of the people, prove how much better off India would be under Self-Rule than under Other-Rule. Let any unprejudiced student turn over the Resolutions passed by the Congress during thirty years, and see how it laid bare the popular suffering, and how it pointed with uner-ring finger to the causes of that suffering — the drain of Indian wealth to England, the exorbi-tant cost of the alien rule, the ever-increasing military expenditure, the sacrifice of Indian industries, the land-tax ever rising and condemn-ing the peasantry to perpetual indebtedness, and to a hopeless poverty and semi-starvation that have no parallel in any other civilised Nation, it is these facts, covered
                                        up by officials, but laid bare by the Congress, which make Home Rule necessary, if a catastrophe is to be avoided.

                                        The daily insult of the Arms Act, the con-stant oppression of the Press and Seditious Meetings Acts, the exclusion of Indians from the higher grades of the Army, the Police, the Educational Service, and a score of other wrongs, while bitterly felt by a high-spirited people, have not in them the immediate menace that lies in the grinding poverty of the masses of the population. People become more or less accustomed to the " atmosphere of inferiority," and oppression, long submitted to, at last dulls pride and weakens self-respect. But people never become accustomed to Hunger, and they become desperate when they see no hope of relief for themselves, nor for their children after them. The danger to British Rule lies far more in the misery of the masses than in the discontent of the educated. To call attention to that danger before it is too late, this book is issued. "
                                        http://archive.org/stream/pts_howindiawroughtf_3720-0946#page/n9/mode/2up

                                        How the above by Annie Besant can be claimed to set the Theosophical Society forward as being unconcerned with politics, I have some difficulties in understanding. I think Annie Besant went too far here, precisely because the above books by her own authorship was published using the Theosphical Publishing House print office - and - even to let it give permission to translations of political texts. And this goes no doubt againt the original intention with the Theosophical Society. Others disregard this, and find it unimportant, perhaps because they support Annie Besant's views and actions in the past, and, like to picture her as without any faults what so ever. Let then explain how the Theosphical Publishing House of the Theosophical Society could be used for such publications and still remain within the original objects of the Theosophical Society. Can they do that? (Their answer will, I think, as always be: Silence. - Becaue they cannot explain it to be
                                        in accordance with the original Constitution and objects of the Theosophical Society.)

                                        Thats said, I will also forward the view, that Annie Besant also did a lot of good to other fellow human beings. There can be no doubt about this, I think. She helped females being respected much more. And helping people in social need cannot be wrong; yet a clear empahsis on a non-sectarian spirit was missing too much in her programe, this I do not hesitate saying. And her entaglements with politics and her political publications using the Theosphical Publishing House is still a stain on her banner - if she would follow the Constitution of the Theosophical Society given in year 1890, and not the later deletions and re-organizations of the Society and its Constitution. This is merely how I see it, when I forward such a short presentation of it.

                                        All the above are merely my views.
                                        I can only have the hope that they are useful to some of the readers.

                                        M. Sufilight

                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: Cass Silva
                                        To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 3:19 AM
                                        Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                        Morten, perhaps you can explain Annie Besant's political involvement in India, which goes against the three objects?
                                        Cass

                                        ________________________________
                                        From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                        To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Friday, 24 May 2013 1:51 AM
                                        Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                        Dear Cass

                                        My views are:

                                        Are you sure about this?
                                        I find your claim or view somewhat illogical. And I think you will realize it by some afterthought.

                                        The Theosophical Society is as about wisdom and knowledge not merely beliefs, dogmatism, and certainly not fanatical beliefs about Masters of various names, new or old. And in a non-Sectarian Theosophical Society each member were (and hopefully still are) entitled to his or her own views about Masters and forwarding his or her own individual (organizationally non-sectarian) teachings about Masters. A non-Sectarian Theosophical Society does not exclude individuals having exchanges upon Masters and what they might be or not be, and whether they exist or do not exist. - And let us have the Coulomb scandal in mind, when the masters almost became a term not allowed to be mentioned in the TS.

                                        (I will add: But the promulgation of continous false claims about the Theosophical Society (for instance - picturing is it as being a sectarian belief in Master KH and Morya of Blavatsky's version - or something else or similar), and the same about persons and their views about masters and false claims about masters, where one have recognized ones own views on this as false, --- and then despite this keep promoting these false views and claims - sometimes by selling books on such falsehoods are not acceptable as far as I am concerned. --- Let those who recognize the authors which is within this frame understand what I am talking about. And I will allow myself to protest against such persons and authors. And let them tell me that I attack them when I protest, and I will tell them that their mouth lies because they are unethical and claim for themselves the right to attack others and will not allow others to defend against perceived falsehood, not even in
                                        a well meant philosophical exchange about the matter - seeking truth for truth sake and altruism.)

                                        M. Sufilight

                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: Cass Silva
                                        To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:26 AM
                                        Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                        Without the Masters (Teachers) there would be no teaching to believe in.
                                        Cass

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                                        From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                        To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2013 1:18 AM
                                        Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                        Dear Cass

                                        My views are:

                                        Blavatsky is here in the below in agreement with Patterson on that the Exoteric Theosophical Society was not created so to have belief in the Masters as a requisite. See her footnote, where she for years have repeated this view. And since Blavatsky do not oppose Patterson in any of his words I find it difficult to think that she meant anything else. She in fact support his words early in the article in mention. See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 115, Feb. 1891.
                                        And Blavatsky died only 3 months later. These are merely my views.

                                        It is, as I see it, important to understand the non-sectarian nature of the Exoteric TS, and, also the Esoteric Section. The first have nobody forwarding a doctrine on behalf of its members. The latter had, but had it with an understanding of what non-sectarian organizations versus sectarian organizations were and still is, as concepts. There those who create what they call Esoteric Sections, and who do not understand the difference between sectarian organizations (where A DOCTRINE are forwarded on behalf of others - where forced beliefs pressure towards beliefs in the Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. ARE BEING USED or at least NOT clearly OPPOSED - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find UN-Ethical) and non-sectarian organizations (where NO doctrine are forwarded on behalf of others - where NONE are using forced beliefs in Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find
                                        Ethical). These are however merely my views.

                                        See here:
                                        "COMMENTS ON “THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY AND H.P.B.”
                                        by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. with comments by HPB in footnotes
                                        [Lucifer, Vol. VII, No. 42, February, 1891, pp. 451-455]
                                        (Inserted by M. Sufilight: http://www.theosopher.net/dzyan/lucifer/lucifer_v7_n42_february_1891.pdf )
                                        " The honest materialist, the honest agnostic, the honest spiritualist, the honest christian-scientist, the honest dogmatic christian, may be an honest disbeliever in H. P. B. and the Masters, and an honest member of the Theosophical Society too, provided he is enlisted in the cause of humanity.† Let us hold the "
                                        .......
                                        [FOOTNOTE]
                                        † I have repeated these words for years: it is my stereotyped answer to enquirers who ask me whether belief in the MASTERS is obligatory in joining the T. S.—[H. P. B.]
                                        .......
                                        "doors wide open; let us set up no unnecessary barriers, and let us wait outside until the last one has entered. We can thus best serve, thus best defend. This is not a policy of silence; it does not prevent our using pen and voice in defence of our beloved leader; but it should prevent making belief in her a qualification, even if an unwritten one, for membership in good standing in the Theosophical Society. There are now many good members who are doubters on this point. Don’t let us drive them away by intolerance."
                                        http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm
                                        (I suggest that one read this article carefully. Because it is very important to understand, when one seek to understand Blavatsky's stance on the Exoteric TS versus the Esoteric Section and their relations to each other.)

                                        Anyone?

                                        _____
                                        And since Blavatsky in her Footnote claim to have - repeated these words for years - I find it hard to think that Blavatsky walked away from the Exoteric Section of the Theosophical Society. No, she merely formed the Esoteric Section because quite a number of the members of the Society requested it. This was also what she wrote here in the same article with links given in the above:
                                        "Owing to the fact that a large number of Fellows of the Society have felt the necessity for the formation of a body of Esoteric students, to be organized on the ORIGINAL LINES devised by the real founders of the T.S." (See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 116, Feb. 1891 - See also BCW. Vol. XII, p. 481, Oct. 1888 - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v12/y1890_052.htm)

                                        H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
                                        "Because (a) Madame Blavatsky does not owe the slightest allegiance to a Council which is liable at any moment to issue silly and untheosophical ukases; and (b) for the simple reason that she recognizes but one person in the T.S. besides herself, namely Colonel Olcott, as having the right of effecting fundamental re-organizations in a Society which owes its life to them, and for which they are both karmically responsible. If the acting editor makes slight account of a sacred pledge, neither Col. Olcott nor H. P. Blavatsky are likely to do so. H. P. Blavatsky will always bow before the decision of the majority of a Section or even a simple Branch; but she will ever protest against the decision of the General Council, were it composed of Archangels and Dhyan Chohans themselves, if their decision seems to her unjust, or untheosophical, or fails to meet with the approval of the majority of the Fellows. No more than H. P. Blavatsky has the President-Founder
                                        the right of exercising autocracy or papal powers, and Col. Olcott would be the last man in the world to attempt to do so. It is the two Founders and especially the President, who have virtually sworn allegiance to the Fellows, whom they have to protect, and teach those who want to be taught, and not to tyrannize and rule over them."
                                        http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v11/y1889_049.htm
                                        (Indeed. Very well written words.)

                                        All the above are merely my views.
                                        I can only have the hope that they are useful to some of the readers.

                                        M. Sufilight

                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: Cass Silva
                                        To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:06 AM
                                        Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                        Nobody suggested that HPB closed down or had intentions to close down what she saw as the Exoteric TS. She simply walked away from it and formed her own esoteric chapter, which if I am not mistaken, was by invitation only.

                                        Cass

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                                        From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                        To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013 1:21 AM
                                        Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                        Dear Jeremy and all readers

                                        My views are:

                                        Yes, but this "impulse" by Blavatsky and Olcott of what ever kind it was, was not an expression of forwarding an impulse on behalf of the Theosophical Society, because it was absolutely non-sectarian in its organizational structure. This "impulse" was merely forwarded on behalf of themselves. And this is important.

                                        As I see it:
                                        We have to distinguish the Theosophical Society from Esoteric Buddhism (in its pure form) organizationally speaking, although real Esoteric Buddhism - if it claim to be ethical - do give emphasis to a non-sectarian concept where no member are teaching the members (as leaders) on behalf of an Exoteric Society.
                                        This is important and seems not to be given the needed ethical emphasis or is not being understood for its ethical importance in various Alice A. Bailey organizations.

                                        Blavatsky wrote in the Key to Theosophy, p. 12-15 + 19:
                                        "THEOSOPHY IS NOT BUDDHISM "
                                        "Yet Theosophy is not Buddhism."
                                        .......
                                        " ENQUIRER. Which system do you prefer or follow, in that case, besides Buddhistic ethics?

                                        THEOSOPHIST. None, and all. We hold to no religion, as to no philosophy in particular: we cull the good we find in each. But here, again, it must be stated that, like all other ancient systems, Theosophy is divided into Exoteric and Esoteric Sections. "
                                        http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm#p12

                                        So Blavatsky did not plan to close down the absolutely Non-Sectarian Theosophical Society. At least not in 1889, when this book was published.
                                        And, as I recently showed in a post to Cass here on the forum, neither later in 1891. (See the footnotes by HPB in this article by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. and read by all means the article carefully - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm )
                                        And there are plenty of info showing this to be true.

                                        M. Sufilight

                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: Jeremy Condick
                                        To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 10:14 PM
                                        Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                        Dear Morton, I agree in context with your thoughts on empty exoteric or dogmatic rituals or possibly lavish expressions of such. However your inclination to steer away from the intention does not serve the purpose of that fact that HPB and Olcott accomplished a great service at that time of inaugurating a "new impulse" to a time of ignorance in Buddhism in "its pure form" note that term Morton, and to the renewed confidence for the individual to 'express, teach and profess' themselves as Buddhists in public.

                                        Buddhism as a "new impulse", "in its pure form," that is the point and has nothing to do with what you mind people celebrate, or not. With every new impulse there will be resurgence of lavish expression by the mass which is inevitable however the underlying theme of purity or pure form will have been established and remains for those who seek or understand. JPC.

                                        "In the year 1880, Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott paid their first visit to Ceylon, and honestly and
                                        publicly declared themselves Buddhists, and in furtherance of the dear wish of their heart they established
                                        branches of the Theosophical Society in various parts of the Island. By their united endeavours, I must admit
                                        that a new impulse has been given to Buddhism; so much so, that the many thousands of natives of the Island,
                                        who had hitherto remained ignorant of Buddhism in its pure form, and those who were ashamed to declare
                                        themselves Buddhists in public, have all begun to learn, teach and profess Buddhism most openly and
                                        vigorously." BCW X 238.

                                        > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                        > From: global-theosophy@...
                                        > Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:38:34 +0200
                                        > Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                                        >
                                        > Dear Jeremy
                                        >
                                        > interesting.
                                        >
                                        > I will quote the following from the passage CW Vol. X, p. 238:
                                        > "The most enthusiastic and lavish manner in which the Buddhists of Ceylon celebrated the Wesak days of the past two years, cannot but fail to testify to their honest belief in Buddhism, and to the substantial work done by Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism. . . . .
                                        > This is all correct, and the two above named personages feel proud to see their feeble services so well appreciated and remembered. But they would certainly feel still happier had the actual state of the moral standard in Ceylon-once the pearl of the Indian Ocean-been such as not to have necessitated the letter published in the same paper by a "Chela." This shows the reverse of the medal and mars somewhat the delight of those who have devoted their life to the noble work of spreading the philosophy of the great "Light of Asia." For, it is not the modern temple-Buddhism with all the excrescences that have crept into it, but verily the esoteric Budhism, * of the Lord Gautama, the BUDDHA, that the Founders had in view, when working for the REVIVAL OF BUDDHISM."
                                        > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_097.htm
                                        >
                                        > And then I will add the following...
                                        >
                                        > About empty exoteric rituals we find that the co-founder H. P. Blavatsky is said to have written:
                                        > "The T.S. was not created to propagate any dogma of any exoteric, ritualistic church, whether Buddhist, Brahmanical, or Christian. This idea is a wide-spread and general mistake; and that of the eminent Sanskritist is due to a self-evident source which misled him."
                                        > (....Reading the whole article could be helpful...the rest of the article....is a different matter to exchange upon...)
                                        > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_064.htm
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > I do not mind that people celebarate what they like to celebrate.
                                        > But I suggest that we do not think that Blavatsky strongly supported empty exoteric religious rituals.
                                        > But each person will no doubt seek thier own view about these matters.
                                        >
                                        > All the above are just my views. They were forwarded as a possible help to the Seekers After Truth and Wisdom.
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > M. Sufilight
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
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                                        > From: Jeremy Condick
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                                        > Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
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                                        > The
                                        > reference on Wesak, HPB and Col. Olcott CW X 238 in Ceylon which is
                                        > now Sri Lanka, speaks of the "substantial work done by Madame
                                        > Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism" and of their
                                        > "new impulse" given to Buddhism there at that time 1880. As
                                        > Sri lanka [changed from Ceylon May 22 1972] celebrates Wesak on the
                                        > time of the full moon and as given today as May 17 for that location
                                        > also, we might think that HPB and Col. Olcott indeed gave fresh
                                        > impulse to the Wesak festival still celebrated there to this day at
                                        > the correct lunar time and month of May, as indicated below.
                                        >
                                        > Buddhism was indeed reformed in its purest sense in spite of
                                        > colonial power and indeed HPB and Olcott were known as 'white
                                        > Buddhists" and were honoured as such. If initially, and I do not
                                        > think this extended to long, wesak was subsequently recognised in
                                        > April there, it was due to the British governor Sir Arthur Gordon for
                                        > April 28, 1885, not HPB. However, the true time and recognition was
                                        > practised by the native Sinhalese Buddhists.
                                        >
                                        > They [HPB and
                                        > Olcott] made possible the public holiday or celebration recognised by
                                        > the colonial rule and formed the "Buddhist education fund"
                                        > also the "buddhist defence committee" of which Olcott was
                                        > an honorary member and representative for Great Britain. We can but
                                        > imagine the influence often not seen that such figures as HPB and
                                        > Olcott had on the Wesak festival and other things throughout the
                                        > world and indeed inaugurating its resurgence to the time of writing
                                        > of Alice Bailey with the greatly expanded information on the
                                        > spiritual festivals including the Wesak festival. JPC. posted twelve months prior on theos-talk.
                                        >
                                        > "The
                                        > decision by the Theosophists to inaugurate the Buddhist Education
                                        > Fund on the Wesak Poya (full moon day) of May 13, 1881 is one example
                                        > of how useful the Wesak festival was as a tool for revitalizing
                                        > Buddhism (Somaratna 6)."
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                                        > 20 Colonel Henry Steele Olcott was an American who, along
                                        > with Madame Blavatsky, organized the Theosophical Society in 1875. He
                                        > landed in Sri Lanka on 17 February 1875 (a day once celebrated as
                                        > "Olcott Day" in Independent Sri Lanka) and proceeded to
                                        > form the Buddhist Theosophical Society. He was influential in
                                        > promoting a Buddhist revival in Sri Lanka (Fields 62).
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                                        > http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bVeaj5f0dOcJ:mrsp.mcgill.ca/reports/html/Wesak/index.htm+ceylon+wesak+date+1880&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk
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                                        > "Vesak is celebrated as a religious and a cultural
                                        > festival in Sri Lanka on the full moon of the month of May, for a
                                        > duration of one week." wikipedia
                                        >
                                        > "The government has
                                        > declared May 14- 21 as the Vesak Week to coincide with the 2600th
                                        > Sambuddathwa Jayanthi celebrations."
                                        > "The Vesak year
                                        > declared will be from May 17, 2011 this Year's Vesak Poya Day to next
                                        > year's Vesak Poya Day."
                                        >
                                        > http://www.colombopage.com/archive_11/May15_1305480919CH.php
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                                        > "All Ceylon Buddhist Congress (ACBC) made elaborate
                                        > arrangements to celebrate the forthcoming Sambuddhathwa Jayanthi
                                        > Bauddhaloka Wesak religious festival for the 10th consecutive year,
                                        > from 17th to 21st May 2011 along Bauddhaloka Mawatha, Colombo 7.
                                        >
                                        > Buddhist schools to participate in Vesak
                                        > celebrations
                                        >
                                        > Priyanka
                                        > Kurugala
                                        >
                                        > The
                                        > Education Ministry will conduct a series of programmes to mark Vesak
                                        > Week with the participation of Buddhist schools countrywide.
                                        >
                                        > The
                                        > Education Ministry has informed Provincial Education Secretaries,
                                        > Provincial Directors, Zonal Directors and Divisional Directors, Deans
                                        > of National Education Faculties, Principals and teachers to conduct
                                        > these programme in a fitting manner.
                                        >
                                        > Shramadana
                                        > and environment conversation programmes will be held on May 2.
                                        > Creation of Vesak decorations will be carried on May 3.
                                        >
                                        > A
                                        > sill observation programme will be held on May 4.
                                        >
                                        > The
                                        > programme will be held with the participation of schoolchildren and
                                        > teachers in Buddhist schools. Displaying of Vesak decorations ,
                                        > lighting Vesak lanterns and lamps, participating in religious
                                        > activities in temples, dansal serving tea, herbal drinks, flower
                                        > offerings and Vesak Bakthi Gee will be held at school level on May 5
                                        > and 6.
                                        >
                                        > The
                                        > certificate awarding ceremony for participants as well as teachers
                                        > and schoolchildren will be held on May 8.
                                        >
                                        > 2012.
                                        > http://www.dailynews.lk/2012/05/01/news12.asp
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                                        > > Subject: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
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                                        > > Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
                                        > > to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
                                        > > Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
                                        > > tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
                                        > > the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
                                        > > reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.
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                                      • M. Sufilight
                                        Yes. I agree entirely on these views, as I understand them. That was also what I meant in my previous post where I gave documentation on the facts. M.
                                        Message 19 of 22 , May 25, 2013
                                          Yes.
                                          I agree entirely on these views, as I understand them.
                                          That was also what I meant in my previous post where I gave documentation on the facts.


                                          M. Sufilight


                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: Cass Silva
                                          To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 2:05 AM
                                          Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka



                                          Firstly Morten, Besant was not a co-founder of the TS.Your two examples show the dichotomy between the two teachings.
                                          Besant is pushing religion and claiming a moral right in that if one is religious one has a duty to be politically involved.

                                          Blavtasky is saying that political reform is pointless until men recognize in their innermost hearts what is real, and what is not real, (i.e. abuse of power, iniquitious law, etc based on political selfishness and then she adds when we achieve this level of moral responsibility, "will disappear (the need for political reform) of itself. As she says, "no lasting political reform can be ever achieved with the same selfish en at the head of affairs as of old". Gandhi is a prime example of this as for all the good he attempted to achieve, look at the situation now between Pakistan and India.

                                          Cass
                                          From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                          To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Saturday, 25 May 2013 5:19 AM
                                          Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka



                                          Dear Cass

                                          My views are:

                                          You do not spare me Cass. You keep asking for more info. Smile.

                                          There are many differing views on this question. Some agree with you and some not.

                                          The following aught to be enough to show the readers, that Annie Besant certainly had a different opinion about the original Consitution and Rules of the Soicety than the Co-Founders Blavatsky and Olcott had.

                                          Duties of the Theosophist by ANNIE BESANT, P.T.S.
                                          (Second Edition) THEOSOPHICAL PUBLISHING HOUSE, Adyar, Madras, India 1927
                                          "You must be religious right through, or else you have no true religion. Nothing is outside Religion. They say : " Mrs. Besant is a religious teacher ; she must have nothing to do with politics." But I assure you that just because Mrs. Besant is a religious teacher, therefore she has everything to do with politics."
                                          http://www.anandgholap.net/Duties_Of_The_Theosophist-AB.htm

                                          Compare this with the below words by the Co-founders H. P. Blavatsky and H. S. Olcott...

                                          Here we go...

                                          The Co-founder H. P. Blavatsky wrote about the TS:
                                          "THE RELATIONS OF THE T. S. TO POLITICAL REFORMS.
                                          To seek to achieve political reforms before we have effected a reform in human nature, is like putting new wine into old bottles. Make men feel and recognize in their innermost hearts what is their real, true duty to all men, and every old abuse of power, every iniquitous law in the national policy, based on human, social or political selfishness, will disappear of itself. Foolish is the gardener who seeks to weed his flower-bed of poisonous plants by cutting them off from the surface of the soil, instead of tearing them out by the roots. No lasting political reform can be ever achieved with the same selfish men at the head of affairs as of old."
                                          (The Key to Theosophy, 1889, p. 231)
                                          http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm#p231

                                          Please do consider the headline: THE RELATIONS OF THE T. S. TO POLITICAL REFORMS. in the above.
                                          Next we have the Constitution of the Theosophical Society as given in 1890. The words are merely a more precise formulation of what from time to time have been stated previously by the Co.Founders of the Theosophical Society.

                                          THE CONSTITUTION AND RULES OF THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY
                                          If one agree on the profound importance of the Constitution and Rules of the TS as given in 1890 one will find the following passages:
                                          "ARTICLE XIII
                                          Offences
                                          1. Any Fellow who shall in any way attempt to involve the Society In political disputes shall be immediately expelled.
                                          2. No Fellow, Officer, or Council of the Theosophical Society, or of any Section or Branch thereof, shall promulgate or maintain any doctrines being that advanced, or advocated by the Society."
                                          http://www.teozofija.info/tsmembers/Rules_1890.htm

                                          Today the Consitutions and Rules are formulated differently and the words like given in the above are not present. Not as far as I have been able to see it.

                                          Now, how are we to read these words of this 1890 Consitution of the TS, written after the year 1884, when the formation of the Indian National Congress took place?

                                          If the original views of the early TS are to be followed, we no doubt will witness how they aught to be read by reading the article by H. S. Olcott given in 1883.
                                          Here I have taken the central excerpt from another website...

                                          "In the Supplement to The Theosophist for July 1883 can be found a very important pronouncement by Col. H. S. Olcott, the co-founder and President of the Theosophical Society, against mixing Theosophy and politics. This statement, which H.P.B. endorsed, reads:

                                          The tenacious observance by the Founders of our Society of the principle of absolute neutrality, on its behalf, in all questions which lie outside the limits of its declared "objects," ought to have obviated the necessity to say that there is a natural and perpetual divorce between Theosophy and Politics. Upon a hundred platforms I have announced this fact, and every other practicable way, public and private, it has been affirmed and reiterated. Before we came to India, the word Politics had never been pronounced in connection with our names; for the idea was too absurd to be even entertained, much less expressed. But in this country, affairs are in such an exceptional state, that every foreigner, of whatsoever nationality, comes under Police surveillance more or less; and it was natural that we should be looked after until the real purpose of our Society's movements had been thoroughly well shown by the developments of time. That end was reached in due
                                          course; and in the year 1880, the Government of India, after an examination of our papers and other evidence, became convinced of our political neutrality, and issued all the necessary orders to relieve us from further annoying surveillance. Since then, we have gone our ways without troubling ourselves more than any other law-abiding persons, about the existence of policemen or detective bureaux. I would not have reverted to so stale a topic if I had not been forced to do so by recent events. I am informed that in Upper India, some unwise members of the Society have been talking about the political questions of the hour, as though authorized to speak for our organization itself, or at least to give to this or that view of current agitations the imprimatur of its approval or disapproval. Again, it was but a fortnight or so ago that one of the most respectable and able of our Hindu fellows strongly importuned me to allow the Theosophical Society's
                                          influence—such as it may be—to be thrown in favour of Bills to promote religious instruction for Hindu children, and other "non-political" measures. That our members, and others whom it interests, may make no mistake as to the Society's attitude as regards Politics, I take this occasion to say that our Rules, and traditional policy alike, prohibit every officer and fellow of the Society, AS SUCH, to meddle with political questions in the slightest degree, and to compromise the Society by saying that it has, AS SUCH, any opinion upon those or any other questions. The Presidents of Branches, in all countries, will be good enough to read this protest to their members, and in every instance when initiating a candidate to give him to understand—as I invariably do—the fact of our corporate neutrality. So convinced am I that the perpetuity of our Society depends upon our keeping closely to our legitimate province, and leaving Politics "severely alone,"
                                          I shall use the full power permitted to me as President-Founder to suspend or expel every member, or even discipline or discharter any Branch which shall, by offending in this respect, imperil the work now so prosperously going on in various parts of the world."
                                          http://www.teosofia.com/Mumbai/7112politics.html

                                          I am saying:
                                          Because of the non-sectarian nature of the Theosophical Society and its objects, we can easily conclude that - party-politics and human made laws, with prison and policemen with guns in their hands - never are to be a part of the Theosohical Society. (Think about the persons who died or got heavy wounded under the demonstrations and protest for Home Rule and workers Unions during the time of Besant. - A changes of heart and improvements ethics are better than the opposite.)

                                          What did Annie Besant, who early in her life previous to her membership of the Theosophical Society, was involved with politics (as a Socialist?), do?
                                          (See Annie Besant's Rise To Power In Indian Politics 1914-1917, by Kumar Raj, page 35-36 and elsewhere. In year 1886 she was a staunch party politics promulgating socialist it seems.)

                                          Duties of the Theosophist by ANNIE BESANT, P.T.S.
                                          (Second Edition) THEOSOPHICAL PUBLISHING HOUSE, Adyar, Madras, India 1927
                                          "They say : " Mrs. Besant is a religious teacher ; she must have nothing to do with politics." But I assure you that just because Mrs. Besant is a religious teacher, therefore she has everything to do with politics"
                                          http://www.anandgholap.net/Duties_Of_The_Theosophist-AB.htm
                                          (I repeat the words from the above quote by Blavatsky: "Foolish is the gardener who seeks to weed his flower-bed of poisonous plants by cutting them off from the surface of the soil, instead of tearing them out by the roots. No lasting political reform can be ever achieved with the same selfish men at the head of affairs as of old")

                                          A COMMENT: Annie Besant had obvoiusly not understood the original objects of the Theosophical Society and the words by the Co-Founders Blavatsky and Olcott in the above quotes.

                                          The future of Indian politics, by Annie Besant, 1922, p. 25-27:
                                          (Printed thorugh the use of and acceptance of Theosphical Publishing House )
                                          "Permission for translation will be given by the Theosphical Publishing House, Adyar Madras."
                                          .......
                                          "The new departure in 1913 resembled in one marked way the new departure when the National Congress was planned in 1884. The seed of both was planted by the Theosophical Society. It was at the Theosophical Convention of that year that a small group of earnest Theo-sophists — deeply concerned for the political future of their country and aroused to a sense of her past powers and her then present impotence by the awakening crusades of H. P. Blavatsky and Henry Steele Olcott, stirring the educated to self-respect and res-pect for their Nation — meeting in Adyar, decided to make an effort for political redemption; feeble as they seemed, they felt strong in their belief that India's ancient Rshis still watched over Their ancient and ever well-loved land, and would aid their efforts to bring about her political resurrection; so they gathered a small meeting in Madras — there were only seventeen of them — and it was there decided to begin " a National
                                          move-ment for the saving of the Motherland " (How India Wrought for Freedom p. 2)."
                                          http://archive.org/stream/futureofindianpo00besarich#page/26/mode/2up
                                          (See also page 232-233 ---- COMMENT: Write not "planted by the Theosophical Society" but "planted by some of whom where members of the Theosophical Society". The Society did not plant it, no way. This is just - one of several inaccuracies - forewarded by Annie Besant in this regard, where she allow herself to speak on behalf of the Society, and, thereby give emphasis to Sectarianism in opposition to non-sectarianism. The serious student would do well in remémbering this; M. Sufilight)

                                          HOW INDIA WROUGHT FOR FREEDOM, by Annie Besant, 1915, Foreword:
                                          (Printed thorugh the use of and acceptance of Theosphical Publishing House )
                                          "I fearlessly place this volume before the public, as a proof of India's fitness for Home Rule.The grasp of the questions dealt with, the saga-city of the remedies proposed for poverty and misrule, the sobriety of the claims urged, the knowledge of, and the sympathy with, the sorrows of the people, prove how much better off India would be under Self-Rule than under Other-Rule. Let any unprejudiced student turn over the Resolutions passed by the Congress during thirty years, and see how it laid bare the popular suffering, and how it pointed with uner-ring finger to the causes of that suffering — the drain of Indian wealth to England, the exorbi-tant cost of the alien rule, the ever-increasing military expenditure, the sacrifice of Indian industries, the land-tax ever rising and condemn-ing the peasantry to perpetual indebtedness, and to a hopeless poverty and semi-starvation that have no parallel in any other civilised Nation, it is these facts, covered
                                          up by officials, but laid bare by the Congress, which make Home Rule necessary, if a catastrophe is to be avoided.

                                          The daily insult of the Arms Act, the con-stant oppression of the Press and Seditious Meetings Acts, the exclusion of Indians from the higher grades of the Army, the Police, the Educational Service, and a score of other wrongs, while bitterly felt by a high-spirited people, have not in them the immediate menace that lies in the grinding poverty of the masses of the population. People become more or less accustomed to the " atmosphere of inferiority," and oppression, long submitted to, at last dulls pride and weakens self-respect. But people never become accustomed to Hunger, and they become desperate when they see no hope of relief for themselves, nor for their children after them. The danger to British Rule lies far more in the misery of the masses than in the discontent of the educated. To call attention to that danger before it is too late, this book is issued. "
                                          http://archive.org/stream/pts_howindiawroughtf_3720-0946#page/n9/mode/2up

                                          How the above by Annie Besant can be claimed to set the Theosophical Society forward as being unconcerned with politics, I have some difficulties in understanding. I think Annie Besant went too far here, precisely because the above books by her own authorship was published using the Theosphical Publishing House print office - and - even to let it give permission to translations of political texts. And this goes no doubt againt the original intention with the Theosophical Society. Others disregard this, and find it unimportant, perhaps because they support Annie Besant's views and actions in the past, and, like to picture her as without any faults what so ever. Let then explain how the Theosphical Publishing House of the Theosophical Society could be used for such publications and still remain within the original objects of the Theosophical Society. Can they do that? (Their answer will, I think, as always be: Silence. - Becaue they cannot explain it to be
                                          in accordance with the original Constitution and objects of the Theosophical Society.)

                                          Thats said, I will also forward the view, that Annie Besant also did a lot of good to other fellow human beings. There can be no doubt about this, I think. She helped females being respected much more. And helping people in social need cannot be wrong; yet a clear empahsis on a non-sectarian spirit was missing too much in her programe, this I do not hesitate saying. And her entaglements with politics and her political publications using the Theosphical Publishing House is still a stain on her banner - if she would follow the Constitution of the Theosophical Society given in year 1890, and not the later deletions and re-organizations of the Society and its Constitution. This is merely how I see it, when I forward such a short presentation of it.

                                          All the above are merely my views.
                                          I can only have the hope that they are useful to some of the readers.

                                          M. Sufilight

                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: Cass Silva
                                          To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 3:19 AM
                                          Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                          Morten, perhaps you can explain Annie Besant's political involvement in India, which goes against the three objects?
                                          Cass

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                                          From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                          To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Friday, 24 May 2013 1:51 AM
                                          Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                          Dear Cass

                                          My views are:

                                          Are you sure about this?
                                          I find your claim or view somewhat illogical. And I think you will realize it by some afterthought.

                                          The Theosophical Society is as about wisdom and knowledge not merely beliefs, dogmatism, and certainly not fanatical beliefs about Masters of various names, new or old. And in a non-Sectarian Theosophical Society each member were (and hopefully still are) entitled to his or her own views about Masters and forwarding his or her own individual (organizationally non-sectarian) teachings about Masters. A non-Sectarian Theosophical Society does not exclude individuals having exchanges upon Masters and what they might be or not be, and whether they exist or do not exist. - And let us have the Coulomb scandal in mind, when the masters almost became a term not allowed to be mentioned in the TS.

                                          (I will add: But the promulgation of continous false claims about the Theosophical Society (for instance - picturing is it as being a sectarian belief in Master KH and Morya of Blavatsky's version - or something else or similar), and the same about persons and their views about masters and false claims about masters, where one have recognized ones own views on this as false, --- and then despite this keep promoting these false views and claims - sometimes by selling books on such falsehoods are not acceptable as far as I am concerned. --- Let those who recognize the authors which is within this frame understand what I am talking about. And I will allow myself to protest against such persons and authors. And let them tell me that I attack them when I protest, and I will tell them that their mouth lies because they are unethical and claim for themselves the right to attack others and will not allow others to defend against perceived falsehood, not even in
                                          a well meant philosophical exchange about the matter - seeking truth for truth sake and altruism.)

                                          M. Sufilight

                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: Cass Silva
                                          To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:26 AM
                                          Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                          Without the Masters (Teachers) there would be no teaching to believe in.
                                          Cass

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                                          From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                          To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2013 1:18 AM
                                          Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                          Dear Cass

                                          My views are:

                                          Blavatsky is here in the below in agreement with Patterson on that the Exoteric Theosophical Society was not created so to have belief in the Masters as a requisite. See her footnote, where she for years have repeated this view. And since Blavatsky do not oppose Patterson in any of his words I find it difficult to think that she meant anything else. She in fact support his words early in the article in mention. See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 115, Feb. 1891.
                                          And Blavatsky died only 3 months later. These are merely my views.

                                          It is, as I see it, important to understand the non-sectarian nature of the Exoteric TS, and, also the Esoteric Section. The first have nobody forwarding a doctrine on behalf of its members. The latter had, but had it with an understanding of what non-sectarian organizations versus sectarian organizations were and still is, as concepts. There those who create what they call Esoteric Sections, and who do not understand the difference between sectarian organizations (where A DOCTRINE are forwarded on behalf of others - where forced beliefs pressure towards beliefs in the Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. ARE BEING USED or at least NOT clearly OPPOSED - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find UN-Ethical) and non-sectarian organizations (where NO doctrine are forwarded on behalf of others - where NONE are using forced beliefs in Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find
                                          Ethical). These are however merely my views.

                                          See here:
                                          "COMMENTS ON “THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY AND H.P.B.”
                                          by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. with comments by HPB in footnotes
                                          [Lucifer, Vol. VII, No. 42, February, 1891, pp. 451-455]
                                          (Inserted by M. Sufilight: http://www.theosopher.net/dzyan/lucifer/lucifer_v7_n42_february_1891.pdf )
                                          " The honest materialist, the honest agnostic, the honest spiritualist, the honest christian-scientist, the honest dogmatic christian, may be an honest disbeliever in H. P. B. and the Masters, and an honest member of the Theosophical Society too, provided he is enlisted in the cause of humanity.† Let us hold the "
                                          .......
                                          [FOOTNOTE]
                                          † I have repeated these words for years: it is my stereotyped answer to enquirers who ask me whether belief in the MASTERS is obligatory in joining the T. S.—[H. P. B.]
                                          .......
                                          "doors wide open; let us set up no unnecessary barriers, and let us wait outside until the last one has entered. We can thus best serve, thus best defend. This is not a policy of silence; it does not prevent our using pen and voice in defence of our beloved leader; but it should prevent making belief in her a qualification, even if an unwritten one, for membership in good standing in the Theosophical Society. There are now many good members who are doubters on this point. Don’t let us drive them away by intolerance."
                                          http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm
                                          (I suggest that one read this article carefully. Because it is very important to understand, when one seek to understand Blavatsky's stance on the Exoteric TS versus the Esoteric Section and their relations to each other.)

                                          Anyone?

                                          _____
                                          And since Blavatsky in her Footnote claim to have - repeated these words for years - I find it hard to think that Blavatsky walked away from the Exoteric Section of the Theosophical Society. No, she merely formed the Esoteric Section because quite a number of the members of the Society requested it. This was also what she wrote here in the same article with links given in the above:
                                          "Owing to the fact that a large number of Fellows of the Society have felt the necessity for the formation of a body of Esoteric students, to be organized on the ORIGINAL LINES devised by the real founders of the T.S." (See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 116, Feb. 1891 - See also BCW. Vol. XII, p. 481, Oct. 1888 - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v12/y1890_052.htm)

                                          H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
                                          "Because (a) Madame Blavatsky does not owe the slightest allegiance to a Council which is liable at any moment to issue silly and untheosophical ukases; and (b) for the simple reason that she recognizes but one person in the T.S. besides herself, namely Colonel Olcott, as having the right of effecting fundamental re-organizations in a Society which owes its life to them, and for which they are both karmically responsible. If the acting editor makes slight account of a sacred pledge, neither Col. Olcott nor H. P. Blavatsky are likely to do so. H. P. Blavatsky will always bow before the decision of the majority of a Section or even a simple Branch; but she will ever protest against the decision of the General Council, were it composed of Archangels and Dhyan Chohans themselves, if their decision seems to her unjust, or untheosophical, or fails to meet with the approval of the majority of the Fellows. No more than H. P. Blavatsky has the President-Founder
                                          the right of exercising autocracy or papal powers, and Col. Olcott would be the last man in the world to attempt to do so. It is the two Founders and especially the President, who have virtually sworn allegiance to the Fellows, whom they have to protect, and teach those who want to be taught, and not to tyrannize and rule over them."
                                          http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v11/y1889_049.htm
                                          (Indeed. Very well written words.)

                                          All the above are merely my views.
                                          I can only have the hope that they are useful to some of the readers.

                                          M. Sufilight

                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: Cass Silva
                                          To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:06 AM
                                          Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                          Nobody suggested that HPB closed down or had intentions to close down what she saw as the Exoteric TS. She simply walked away from it and formed her own esoteric chapter, which if I am not mistaken, was by invitation only.

                                          Cass

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                                          From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                          To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013 1:21 AM
                                          Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                          Dear Jeremy and all readers

                                          My views are:

                                          Yes, but this "impulse" by Blavatsky and Olcott of what ever kind it was, was not an expression of forwarding an impulse on behalf of the Theosophical Society, because it was absolutely non-sectarian in its organizational structure. This "impulse" was merely forwarded on behalf of themselves. And this is important.

                                          As I see it:
                                          We have to distinguish the Theosophical Society from Esoteric Buddhism (in its pure form) organizationally speaking, although real Esoteric Buddhism - if it claim to be ethical - do give emphasis to a non-sectarian concept where no member are teaching the members (as leaders) on behalf of an Exoteric Society.
                                          This is important and seems not to be given the needed ethical emphasis or is not being understood for its ethical importance in various Alice A. Bailey organizations.

                                          Blavatsky wrote in the Key to Theosophy, p. 12-15 + 19:
                                          "THEOSOPHY IS NOT BUDDHISM "
                                          "Yet Theosophy is not Buddhism."
                                          .......
                                          " ENQUIRER. Which system do you prefer or follow, in that case, besides Buddhistic ethics?

                                          THEOSOPHIST. None, and all. We hold to no religion, as to no philosophy in particular: we cull the good we find in each. But here, again, it must be stated that, like all other ancient systems, Theosophy is divided into Exoteric and Esoteric Sections. "
                                          http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm#p12

                                          So Blavatsky did not plan to close down the absolutely Non-Sectarian Theosophical Society. At least not in 1889, when this book was published.
                                          And, as I recently showed in a post to Cass here on the forum, neither later in 1891. (See the footnotes by HPB in this article by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. and read by all means the article carefully - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm )
                                          And there are plenty of info showing this to be true.

                                          M. Sufilight

                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: Jeremy Condick
                                          To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                          Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 10:14 PM
                                          Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                          Dear Morton, I agree in context with your thoughts on empty exoteric or dogmatic rituals or possibly lavish expressions of such. However your inclination to steer away from the intention does not serve the purpose of that fact that HPB and Olcott accomplished a great service at that time of inaugurating a "new impulse" to a time of ignorance in Buddhism in "its pure form" note that term Morton, and to the renewed confidence for the individual to 'express, teach and profess' themselves as Buddhists in public.

                                          Buddhism as a "new impulse", "in its pure form," that is the point and has nothing to do with what you mind people celebrate, or not. With every new impulse there will be resurgence of lavish expression by the mass which is inevitable however the underlying theme of purity or pure form will have been established and remains for those who seek or understand. JPC.

                                          "In the year 1880, Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott paid their first visit to Ceylon, and honestly and
                                          publicly declared themselves Buddhists, and in furtherance of the dear wish of their heart they established
                                          branches of the Theosophical Society in various parts of the Island. By their united endeavours, I must admit
                                          that a new impulse has been given to Buddhism; so much so, that the many thousands of natives of the Island,
                                          who had hitherto remained ignorant of Buddhism in its pure form, and those who were ashamed to declare
                                          themselves Buddhists in public, have all begun to learn, teach and profess Buddhism most openly and
                                          vigorously." BCW X 238.

                                          > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                          > From: global-theosophy@...
                                          > Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:38:34 +0200
                                          > Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                                          >
                                          > Dear Jeremy
                                          >
                                          > interesting.
                                          >
                                          > I will quote the following from the passage CW Vol. X, p. 238:
                                          > "The most enthusiastic and lavish manner in which the Buddhists of Ceylon celebrated the Wesak days of the past two years, cannot but fail to testify to their honest belief in Buddhism, and to the substantial work done by Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism. . . . .
                                          > This is all correct, and the two above named personages feel proud to see their feeble services so well appreciated and remembered. But they would certainly feel still happier had the actual state of the moral standard in Ceylon-once the pearl of the Indian Ocean-been such as not to have necessitated the letter published in the same paper by a "Chela." This shows the reverse of the medal and mars somewhat the delight of those who have devoted their life to the noble work of spreading the philosophy of the great "Light of Asia." For, it is not the modern temple-Buddhism with all the excrescences that have crept into it, but verily the esoteric Budhism, * of the Lord Gautama, the BUDDHA, that the Founders had in view, when working for the REVIVAL OF BUDDHISM."
                                          > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_097.htm
                                          >
                                          > And then I will add the following...
                                          >
                                          > About empty exoteric rituals we find that the co-founder H. P. Blavatsky is said to have written:
                                          > "The T.S. was not created to propagate any dogma of any exoteric, ritualistic church, whether Buddhist, Brahmanical, or Christian. This idea is a wide-spread and general mistake; and that of the eminent Sanskritist is due to a self-evident source which misled him."
                                          > (....Reading the whole article could be helpful...the rest of the article....is a different matter to exchange upon...)
                                          > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_064.htm
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > I do not mind that people celebarate what they like to celebrate.
                                          > But I suggest that we do not think that Blavatsky strongly supported empty exoteric religious rituals.
                                          > But each person will no doubt seek thier own view about these matters.
                                          >
                                          > All the above are just my views. They were forwarded as a possible help to the Seekers After Truth and Wisdom.
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > M. Sufilight
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > ----- Original Message -----
                                          > From: Jeremy Condick
                                          > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                          > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:01 PM
                                          > Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > The
                                          > reference on Wesak, HPB and Col. Olcott CW X 238 in Ceylon which is
                                          > now Sri Lanka, speaks of the "substantial work done by Madame
                                          > Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism" and of their
                                          > "new impulse" given to Buddhism there at that time 1880. As
                                          > Sri lanka [changed from Ceylon May 22 1972] celebrates Wesak on the
                                          > time of the full moon and as given today as May 17 for that location
                                          > also, we might think that HPB and Col. Olcott indeed gave fresh
                                          > impulse to the Wesak festival still celebrated there to this day at
                                          > the correct lunar time and month of May, as indicated below.
                                          >
                                          > Buddhism was indeed reformed in its purest sense in spite of
                                          > colonial power and indeed HPB and Olcott were known as 'white
                                          > Buddhists" and were honoured as such. If initially, and I do not
                                          > think this extended to long, wesak was subsequently recognised in
                                          > April there, it was due to the British governor Sir Arthur Gordon for
                                          > April 28, 1885, not HPB. However, the true time and recognition was
                                          > practised by the native Sinhalese Buddhists.
                                          >
                                          > They [HPB and
                                          > Olcott] made possible the public holiday or celebration recognised by
                                          > the colonial rule and formed the "Buddhist education fund"
                                          > also the "buddhist defence committee" of which Olcott was
                                          > an honorary member and representative for Great Britain. We can but
                                          > imagine the influence often not seen that such figures as HPB and
                                          > Olcott had on the Wesak festival and other things throughout the
                                          > world and indeed inaugurating its resurgence to the time of writing
                                          > of Alice Bailey with the greatly expanded information on the
                                          > spiritual festivals including the Wesak festival. JPC. posted twelve months prior on theos-talk.
                                          >
                                          > "The
                                          > decision by the Theosophists to inaugurate the Buddhist Education
                                          > Fund on the Wesak Poya (full moon day) of May 13, 1881 is one example
                                          > of how useful the Wesak festival was as a tool for revitalizing
                                          > Buddhism (Somaratna 6)."
                                          >
                                          > 20 Colonel Henry Steele Olcott was an American who, along
                                          > with Madame Blavatsky, organized the Theosophical Society in 1875. He
                                          > landed in Sri Lanka on 17 February 1875 (a day once celebrated as
                                          > "Olcott Day" in Independent Sri Lanka) and proceeded to
                                          > form the Buddhist Theosophical Society. He was influential in
                                          > promoting a Buddhist revival in Sri Lanka (Fields 62).
                                          >
                                          > http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bVeaj5f0dOcJ:mrsp.mcgill.ca/reports/html/Wesak/index.htm+ceylon+wesak+date+1880&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk
                                          >
                                          > "Vesak is celebrated as a religious and a cultural
                                          > festival in Sri Lanka on the full moon of the month of May, for a
                                          > duration of one week." wikipedia
                                          >
                                          > "The government has
                                          > declared May 14- 21 as the Vesak Week to coincide with the 2600th
                                          > Sambuddathwa Jayanthi celebrations."
                                          > "The Vesak year
                                          > declared will be from May 17, 2011 this Year's Vesak Poya Day to next
                                          > year's Vesak Poya Day."
                                          >
                                          > http://www.colombopage.com/archive_11/May15_1305480919CH.php
                                          >
                                          > "All Ceylon Buddhist Congress (ACBC) made elaborate
                                          > arrangements to celebrate the forthcoming Sambuddhathwa Jayanthi
                                          > Bauddhaloka Wesak religious festival for the 10th consecutive year,
                                          > from 17th to 21st May 2011 along Bauddhaloka Mawatha, Colombo 7.
                                          >
                                          > Buddhist schools to participate in Vesak
                                          > celebrations
                                          >
                                          > Priyanka
                                          > Kurugala
                                          >
                                          > The
                                          > Education Ministry will conduct a series of programmes to mark Vesak
                                          > Week with the participation of Buddhist schools countrywide.
                                          >
                                          > The
                                          > Education Ministry has informed Provincial Education Secretaries,
                                          > Provincial Directors, Zonal Directors and Divisional Directors, Deans
                                          > of National Education Faculties, Principals and teachers to conduct
                                          > these programme in a fitting manner.
                                          >
                                          > Shramadana
                                          > and environment conversation programmes will be held on May 2.
                                          > Creation of Vesak decorations will be carried on May 3.
                                          >
                                          > A
                                          > sill observation programme will be held on May 4.
                                          >
                                          > The
                                          > programme will be held with the participation of schoolchildren and
                                          > teachers in Buddhist schools. Displaying of Vesak decorations ,
                                          > lighting Vesak lanterns and lamps, participating in religious
                                          > activities in temples, dansal serving tea, herbal drinks, flower
                                          > offerings and Vesak Bakthi Gee will be held at school level on May 5
                                          > and 6.
                                          >
                                          > The
                                          > certificate awarding ceremony for participants as well as teachers
                                          > and schoolchildren will be held on May 8.
                                          >
                                          > 2012.
                                          > http://www.dailynews.lk/2012/05/01/news12.asp
                                          >
                                          > > To: Theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                          > > From: mkr777@...
                                          > > Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:15:04 -0500
                                          > > Subject: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                                          > >
                                          > > Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
                                          > > to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
                                          > > Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
                                          > > tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
                                          > > the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
                                          > > reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > >
                                          > > <
                                          > > http://groundviews.org/2013/05/20/beyond-nostalgia-children-of-olcott-must-revisit-history/
                                          > > >
                                          > >
                                          > > MKR
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                                          ... From: Cass Silva To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:55 AM Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical
                                          Message 20 of 22 , May 25, 2013
                                            ???


                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            From: Cass Silva
                                            To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Saturday, May 25, 2013 1:55 AM
                                            Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka



                                            lol Ah, so you have gone to the dark side Morten!
                                            Cass

                                            ________________________________
                                            From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                            To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Friday, 24 May 2013 10:29 PM
                                            Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka



                                            Dear Cass

                                            My views are:

                                            Okay.
                                            Each member in a non-sectarian Theosophical Society are of course in a situation where they can study her teachings and views (which by the way never was forwarded with the aim that the readers should merely believe Blavatsky on her word). Such a study can of course be done in a philosophical non-sectarian spirit seeking knowledge and - not - mere belief and fanaticism, - not confusing knowledge with belief and fanaticism. The non-sectarian Theosophical Society are of course because of its objects in opposition to fanaticism and superstition and dogmatism. The Society are for the seekers after knowledge, not seekers after sectarian fanaticism coupled with religious intolerance. At least so it was originally, (and perhaps less today?). People sometimes forget this, it seems. (Annie Besant sought to give her view upon belief in the Masters here in a 1913 article: "Is Belief in the Masters Superstitious or Harmful"
                                            http://www.anandgholap.net/AP/Is_Belief_In_Masters_Superstitious-AB.htm - And I disagree in the sense, that Annie Besant forgot to mention that such teachings on the Masters and what not, never aught to be pressurized upon the members of the Society, and neither turned into an exoteric orthodox religious theater - promulgation religous fanatcicism with silver-bagdes, scarf's etc., etc, on the TS compound, allowing some to have their rituals, and new age rituals, and discarding others - and without any clear explantion for such a biassed stance. That was - apparently - maybe also why Olcott and his friends was opposed by Master KH when as Blavatsky said: "the superlatively idiotic idea of a Temple of Humanity or Universal Brotherhood came into Olcott’s pumpkin", and with a shrine for the portraits of the two Masters... (See p. 163 in The Letters of HPB to A. P. Sinnett: http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/Letters%20of%20HPB.htm)

                                            - Again I will refer to the aricle by Patterson and the comments in it by Blavatsky. -
                                            "COMMENTS ON “THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY AND H.P.B.”
                                            ...for instance saying the following...
                                            " The Theosophical Society has no creeds, but its members seem scarcely able to avoid making them in spite of all efforts to the contrary. "....."And why speak of the Society as an absurdity without Masters? Are its objects, especially the first, nothing? If those objects were even partially lived up to, and again let us say “especially the first,” would no good come of it? Most certainly, and it is perhaps this good which the Masters are seeking, rather than the acceptance of any philosophy, or any recognition of themselves.*"...[FOOTNOTE] "* Our Brother, Mr. Patterson, is quite correct.—[H.P.B.] " - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm

                                            What study to each member can choose is not to be pressurized upon the members, because all other members might have something to forward as well, and even something better.What can be forrwarded and studied within the Society has to follow the Constitution of the Society and its objects, and non-sectarian concept (the latter was reformulated in year 1923 and called the concept of Freedom of Thought). Religious tolerance - is what is lacking, and Patterson rightly highlighted the problem in his article.

                                            All the above are merely my views. Most of which I claim can be documented, when compared to the views of the Co-Founders of the Society, (HPB and Olcott).

                                            M. Sufilight

                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            From: Cass Silva
                                            To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 3:17 AM
                                            Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                            OK perhaps 'believe in' was the wrong wording, should have been, there would be 'no teaching to study'. HPB linked herself with the Masters therefore there is a link with them and Leadbeater and Besant were aware of this hence their illusionary so called contact with them as some sort of proof of Leadbeater's integrity.

                                            If one is to study what HPB left us, how can one do so, without acknowledging that she received this knowledge from them. To deny their existence makes a liar out of HPB.!

                                            Cass

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                                            From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                            To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Friday, 24 May 2013 1:51 AM
                                            Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                            Dear Cass

                                            My views are:

                                            Are you sure about this?
                                            I find your claim or view somewhat illogical. And I think you will realize it by some afterthought.

                                            The Theosophical Society is as about wisdom and knowledge not merely beliefs, dogmatism, and certainly not fanatical beliefs about Masters of various names, new or old. And in a non-Sectarian Theosophical Society each member were (and hopefully still are) entitled to his or her own views about Masters and forwarding his or her own individual (organizationally non-sectarian) teachings about Masters. A non-Sectarian Theosophical Society does not exclude individuals having exchanges upon Masters and what they might be or not be, and whether they exist or do not exist. - And let us have the Coulomb scandal in mind, when the masters almost became a term not allowed to be mentioned in the TS.

                                            (I will add: But the promulgation of continous false claims about the Theosophical Society (for instance - picturing is it as being a sectarian belief in Master KH and Morya of Blavatsky's version - or something else or similar), and the same about persons and their views about masters and false claims about masters, where one have recognized ones own views on this as false, --- and then despite this keep promoting these false views and claims - sometimes by selling books on such falsehoods are not acceptable as far as I am concerned. --- Let those who recognize the authors which is within this frame understand what I am talking about. And I will allow myself to protest against such persons and authors. And let them tell me that I attack them when I protest, and I will tell them that their mouth lies because they are unethical and claim for themselves the right to attack others and will not allow others to defend against perceived falsehood, not even in
                                            a well meant philosophical exchange about the matter - seeking truth for truth sake and altruism.)

                                            M. Sufilight

                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            From: Cass Silva
                                            To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2013 2:26 AM
                                            Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                            Without the Masters (Teachers) there would be no teaching to believe in.
                                            Cass

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                                            From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                            To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Thursday, 23 May 2013 1:18 AM
                                            Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                            Dear Cass

                                            My views are:

                                            Blavatsky is here in the below in agreement with Patterson on that the Exoteric Theosophical Society was not created so to have belief in the Masters as a requisite. See her footnote, where she for years have repeated this view. And since Blavatsky do not oppose Patterson in any of his words I find it difficult to think that she meant anything else. She in fact support his words early in the article in mention. See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 115, Feb. 1891.
                                            And Blavatsky died only 3 months later. These are merely my views.

                                            It is, as I see it, important to understand the non-sectarian nature of the Exoteric TS, and, also the Esoteric Section. The first have nobody forwarding a doctrine on behalf of its members. The latter had, but had it with an understanding of what non-sectarian organizations versus sectarian organizations were and still is, as concepts. There those who create what they call Esoteric Sections, and who do not understand the difference between sectarian organizations (where A DOCTRINE are forwarded on behalf of others - where forced beliefs pressure towards beliefs in the Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. ARE BEING USED or at least NOT clearly OPPOSED - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find UN-Ethical) and non-sectarian organizations (where NO doctrine are forwarded on behalf of others - where NONE are using forced beliefs in Masters, karma, reincarnations etc., etc. - And this is what I and the anti-cult Psychologists find
                                            Ethical). These are however merely my views.

                                            See here:
                                            "COMMENTS ON “THE THEOSOPHICAL SOCIETY AND H.P.B.”
                                            by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. with comments by HPB in footnotes
                                            [Lucifer, Vol. VII, No. 42, February, 1891, pp. 451-455]
                                            (Inserted by M. Sufilight: http://www.theosopher.net/dzyan/lucifer/lucifer_v7_n42_february_1891.pdf )
                                            " The honest materialist, the honest agnostic, the honest spiritualist, the honest christian-scientist, the honest dogmatic christian, may be an honest disbeliever in H. P. B. and the Masters, and an honest member of the Theosophical Society too, provided he is enlisted in the cause of humanity.† Let us hold the "
                                            .......
                                            [FOOTNOTE]
                                            † I have repeated these words for years: it is my stereotyped answer to enquirers who ask me whether belief in the MASTERS is obligatory in joining the T. S.—[H. P. B.]
                                            .......
                                            "doors wide open; let us set up no unnecessary barriers, and let us wait outside until the last one has entered. We can thus best serve, thus best defend. This is not a policy of silence; it does not prevent our using pen and voice in defence of our beloved leader; but it should prevent making belief in her a qualification, even if an unwritten one, for membership in good standing in the Theosophical Society. There are now many good members who are doubters on this point. Don’t let us drive them away by intolerance."
                                            http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm
                                            (I suggest that one read this article carefully. Because it is very important to understand, when one seek to understand Blavatsky's stance on the Exoteric TS versus the Esoteric Section and their relations to each other.)

                                            Anyone?

                                            _____
                                            And since Blavatsky in her Footnote claim to have - repeated these words for years - I find it hard to think that Blavatsky walked away from the Exoteric Section of the Theosophical Society. No, she merely formed the Esoteric Section because quite a number of the members of the Society requested it. This was also what she wrote here in the same article with links given in the above:
                                            "Owing to the fact that a large number of Fellows of the Society have felt the necessity for the formation of a body of Esoteric students, to be organized on the ORIGINAL LINES devised by the real founders of the T.S." (See BCW. Vol. XIII, p. 116, Feb. 1891 - See also BCW. Vol. XII, p. 481, Oct. 1888 - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v12/y1890_052.htm)

                                            H. P. Blavatsky wrote:
                                            "Because (a) Madame Blavatsky does not owe the slightest allegiance to a Council which is liable at any moment to issue silly and untheosophical ukases; and (b) for the simple reason that she recognizes but one person in the T.S. besides herself, namely Colonel Olcott, as having the right of effecting fundamental re-organizations in a Society which owes its life to them, and for which they are both karmically responsible. If the acting editor makes slight account of a sacred pledge, neither Col. Olcott nor H. P. Blavatsky are likely to do so. H. P. Blavatsky will always bow before the decision of the majority of a Section or even a simple Branch; but she will ever protest against the decision of the General Council, were it composed of Archangels and Dhyan Chohans themselves, if their decision seems to her unjust, or untheosophical, or fails to meet with the approval of the majority of the Fellows. No more than H. P. Blavatsky has the President-Founder
                                            the right of exercising autocracy or papal powers, and Col. Olcott would be the last man in the world to attempt to do so. It is the two Founders and especially the President, who have virtually sworn allegiance to the Fellows, whom they have to protect, and teach those who want to be taught, and not to tyrannize and rule over them."
                                            http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v11/y1889_049.htm
                                            (Indeed. Very well written words.)

                                            All the above are merely my views.
                                            I can only have the hope that they are useful to some of the readers.

                                            M. Sufilight

                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            From: Cass Silva
                                            To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 3:06 AM
                                            Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                            Nobody suggested that HPB closed down or had intentions to close down what she saw as the Exoteric TS. She simply walked away from it and formed her own esoteric chapter, which if I am not mistaken, was by invitation only.

                                            Cass

                                            ________________________________
                                            From: M. Sufilight <global-theosophy@...>
                                            To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Wednesday, 22 May 2013 1:21 AM
                                            Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                            Dear Jeremy and all readers

                                            My views are:

                                            Yes, but this "impulse" by Blavatsky and Olcott of what ever kind it was, was not an expression of forwarding an impulse on behalf of the Theosophical Society, because it was absolutely non-sectarian in its organizational structure. This "impulse" was merely forwarded on behalf of themselves. And this is important.

                                            As I see it:
                                            We have to distinguish the Theosophical Society from Esoteric Buddhism (in its pure form) organizationally speaking, although real Esoteric Buddhism - if it claim to be ethical - do give emphasis to a non-sectarian concept where no member are teaching the members (as leaders) on behalf of an Exoteric Society.
                                            This is important and seems not to be given the needed ethical emphasis or is not being understood for its ethical importance in various Alice A. Bailey organizations.

                                            Blavatsky wrote in the Key to Theosophy, p. 12-15 + 19:
                                            "THEOSOPHY IS NOT BUDDHISM "
                                            "Yet Theosophy is not Buddhism."
                                            .......
                                            " ENQUIRER. Which system do you prefer or follow, in that case, besides Buddhistic ethics?

                                            THEOSOPHIST. None, and all. We hold to no religion, as to no philosophy in particular: we cull the good we find in each. But here, again, it must be stated that, like all other ancient systems, Theosophy is divided into Exoteric and Esoteric Sections. "
                                            http://www.phx-ult-lodge.org/aKEY.htm#p12

                                            So Blavatsky did not plan to close down the absolutely Non-Sectarian Theosophical Society. At least not in 1889, when this book was published.
                                            And, as I recently showed in a post to Cass here on the forum, neither later in 1891. (See the footnotes by HPB in this article by H. T. PATTERSON, F.T.S. and read by all means the article carefully - http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v13/y1891_004.htm )
                                            And there are plenty of info showing this to be true.

                                            M. Sufilight

                                            ----- Original Message -----
                                            From: Jeremy Condick
                                            To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 10:14 PM
                                            Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka

                                            Dear Morton, I agree in context with your thoughts on empty exoteric or dogmatic rituals or possibly lavish expressions of such. However your inclination to steer away from the intention does not serve the purpose of that fact that HPB and Olcott accomplished a great service at that time of inaugurating a "new impulse" to a time of ignorance in Buddhism in "its pure form" note that term Morton, and to the renewed confidence for the individual to 'express, teach and profess' themselves as Buddhists in public.

                                            Buddhism as a "new impulse", "in its pure form," that is the point and has nothing to do with what you mind people celebrate, or not. With every new impulse there will be resurgence of lavish expression by the mass which is inevitable however the underlying theme of purity or pure form will have been established and remains for those who seek or understand. JPC.

                                            "In the year 1880, Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott paid their first visit to Ceylon, and honestly and
                                            publicly declared themselves Buddhists, and in furtherance of the dear wish of their heart they established
                                            branches of the Theosophical Society in various parts of the Island. By their united endeavours, I must admit
                                            that a new impulse has been given to Buddhism; so much so, that the many thousands of natives of the Island,
                                            who had hitherto remained ignorant of Buddhism in its pure form, and those who were ashamed to declare
                                            themselves Buddhists in public, have all begun to learn, teach and profess Buddhism most openly and
                                            vigorously." BCW X 238.

                                            > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                            > From: global-theosophy@...
                                            > Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 21:38:34 +0200
                                            > Subject: Re: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                                            >
                                            > Dear Jeremy
                                            >
                                            > interesting.
                                            >
                                            > I will quote the following from the passage CW Vol. X, p. 238:
                                            > "The most enthusiastic and lavish manner in which the Buddhists of Ceylon celebrated the Wesak days of the past two years, cannot but fail to testify to their honest belief in Buddhism, and to the substantial work done by Madame Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism. . . . .
                                            > This is all correct, and the two above named personages feel proud to see their feeble services so well appreciated and remembered. But they would certainly feel still happier had the actual state of the moral standard in Ceylon-once the pearl of the Indian Ocean-been such as not to have necessitated the letter published in the same paper by a "Chela." This shows the reverse of the medal and mars somewhat the delight of those who have devoted their life to the noble work of spreading the philosophy of the great "Light of Asia." For, it is not the modern temple-Buddhism with all the excrescences that have crept into it, but verily the esoteric Budhism, * of the Lord Gautama, the BUDDHA, that the Founders had in view, when working for the REVIVAL OF BUDDHISM."
                                            > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_097.htm
                                            >
                                            > And then I will add the following...
                                            >
                                            > About empty exoteric rituals we find that the co-founder H. P. Blavatsky is said to have written:
                                            > "The T.S. was not created to propagate any dogma of any exoteric, ritualistic church, whether Buddhist, Brahmanical, or Christian. This idea is a wide-spread and general mistake; and that of the eminent Sanskritist is due to a self-evident source which misled him."
                                            > (....Reading the whole article could be helpful...the rest of the article....is a different matter to exchange upon...)
                                            > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/blavatsky/articles/v10/y1888_064.htm
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > I do not mind that people celebarate what they like to celebrate.
                                            > But I suggest that we do not think that Blavatsky strongly supported empty exoteric religious rituals.
                                            > But each person will no doubt seek thier own view about these matters.
                                            >
                                            > All the above are just my views. They were forwarded as a possible help to the Seekers After Truth and Wisdom.
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > M. Sufilight
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > From: Jeremy Condick
                                            > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                            > Sent: Monday, May 20, 2013 9:01 PM
                                            > Subject: RE: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > The
                                            > reference on Wesak, HPB and Col. Olcott CW X 238 in Ceylon which is
                                            > now Sri Lanka, speaks of the "substantial work done by Madame
                                            > Blavatsky and Col. Olcott in the cause of Buddhism" and of their
                                            > "new impulse" given to Buddhism there at that time 1880. As
                                            > Sri lanka [changed from Ceylon May 22 1972] celebrates Wesak on the
                                            > time of the full moon and as given today as May 17 for that location
                                            > also, we might think that HPB and Col. Olcott indeed gave fresh
                                            > impulse to the Wesak festival still celebrated there to this day at
                                            > the correct lunar time and month of May, as indicated below.
                                            >
                                            > Buddhism was indeed reformed in its purest sense in spite of
                                            > colonial power and indeed HPB and Olcott were known as 'white
                                            > Buddhists" and were honoured as such. If initially, and I do not
                                            > think this extended to long, wesak was subsequently recognised in
                                            > April there, it was due to the British governor Sir Arthur Gordon for
                                            > April 28, 1885, not HPB. However, the true time and recognition was
                                            > practised by the native Sinhalese Buddhists.
                                            >
                                            > They [HPB and
                                            > Olcott] made possible the public holiday or celebration recognised by
                                            > the colonial rule and formed the "Buddhist education fund"
                                            > also the "buddhist defence committee" of which Olcott was
                                            > an honorary member and representative for Great Britain. We can but
                                            > imagine the influence often not seen that such figures as HPB and
                                            > Olcott had on the Wesak festival and other things throughout the
                                            > world and indeed inaugurating its resurgence to the time of writing
                                            > of Alice Bailey with the greatly expanded information on the
                                            > spiritual festivals including the Wesak festival. JPC. posted twelve months prior on theos-talk.
                                            >
                                            > "The
                                            > decision by the Theosophists to inaugurate the Buddhist Education
                                            > Fund on the Wesak Poya (full moon day) of May 13, 1881 is one example
                                            > of how useful the Wesak festival was as a tool for revitalizing
                                            > Buddhism (Somaratna 6)."
                                            >
                                            > 20 Colonel Henry Steele Olcott was an American who, along
                                            > with Madame Blavatsky, organized the Theosophical Society in 1875. He
                                            > landed in Sri Lanka on 17 February 1875 (a day once celebrated as
                                            > "Olcott Day" in Independent Sri Lanka) and proceeded to
                                            > form the Buddhist Theosophical Society. He was influential in
                                            > promoting a Buddhist revival in Sri Lanka (Fields 62).
                                            >
                                            > http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:bVeaj5f0dOcJ:mrsp.mcgill.ca/reports/html/Wesak/index.htm+ceylon+wesak+date+1880&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk&source=www.google.co.uk
                                            >
                                            > "Vesak is celebrated as a religious and a cultural
                                            > festival in Sri Lanka on the full moon of the month of May, for a
                                            > duration of one week." wikipedia
                                            >
                                            > "The government has
                                            > declared May 14- 21 as the Vesak Week to coincide with the 2600th
                                            > Sambuddathwa Jayanthi celebrations."
                                            > "The Vesak year
                                            > declared will be from May 17, 2011 this Year's Vesak Poya Day to next
                                            > year's Vesak Poya Day."
                                            >
                                            > http://www.colombopage.com/archive_11/May15_1305480919CH.php
                                            >
                                            > "All Ceylon Buddhist Congress (ACBC) made elaborate
                                            > arrangements to celebrate the forthcoming Sambuddhathwa Jayanthi
                                            > Bauddhaloka Wesak religious festival for the 10th consecutive year,
                                            > from 17th to 21st May 2011 along Bauddhaloka Mawatha, Colombo 7.
                                            >
                                            > Buddhist schools to participate in Vesak
                                            > celebrations
                                            >
                                            > Priyanka
                                            > Kurugala
                                            >
                                            > The
                                            > Education Ministry will conduct a series of programmes to mark Vesak
                                            > Week with the participation of Buddhist schools countrywide.
                                            >
                                            > The
                                            > Education Ministry has informed Provincial Education Secretaries,
                                            > Provincial Directors, Zonal Directors and Divisional Directors, Deans
                                            > of National Education Faculties, Principals and teachers to conduct
                                            > these programme in a fitting manner.
                                            >
                                            > Shramadana
                                            > and environment conversation programmes will be held on May 2.
                                            > Creation of Vesak decorations will be carried on May 3.
                                            >
                                            > A
                                            > sill observation programme will be held on May 4.
                                            >
                                            > The
                                            > programme will be held with the participation of schoolchildren and
                                            > teachers in Buddhist schools. Displaying of Vesak decorations ,
                                            > lighting Vesak lanterns and lamps, participating in religious
                                            > activities in temples, dansal serving tea, herbal drinks, flower
                                            > offerings and Vesak Bakthi Gee will be held at school level on May 5
                                            > and 6.
                                            >
                                            > The
                                            > certificate awarding ceremony for participants as well as teachers
                                            > and schoolchildren will be held on May 8.
                                            >
                                            > 2012.
                                            > http://www.dailynews.lk/2012/05/01/news12.asp
                                            >
                                            > > To: Theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
                                            > > From: mkr777@...
                                            > > Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 20:15:04 -0500
                                            > > Subject: theos-talk Contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society to Sri Lanka
                                            > >
                                            > > Here is a writeup of the contributions of Olcott and Theosophical Society
                                            > > to Sri Lanka (Ceylon). As the writer comments, what would have happened to
                                            > > Sri Lanka but for the reform they were responsible for. As a theosophist, I
                                            > > tend to believe that the inspiration for the Ceylon work surely came from
                                            > > the Gurus of Olcott who in their infiinite wisdom so the need for the
                                            > > reforms for the welfare of the people. Read and enjoy.
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > <
                                            > > http://groundviews.org/2013/05/20/beyond-nostalgia-children-of-olcott-must-revisit-history/
                                            > > >
                                            > >
                                            > > MKR
                                            > >
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                                          • Bart Lidofsky
                                            ... Morten neither said nor implied that Besant was a co-founder. However... ... Blavatsky said that politics was ephemeral, not pointless. By the same token,
                                            Message 21 of 22 , May 25, 2013
                                              On 5/24/2013 8:05 PM, Cass Silva wrote:
                                              >
                                              > Firstly Morten, Besant was not a co-founder of the TS.Your two
                                              > examples show the dichotomy between the two teachings.
                                              > Besant is pushing religion and claiming a moral right in that if one
                                              > is religious one has a duty to be politically involved.
                                              >

                                              Morten neither said nor implied that Besant was a co-founder.
                                              However...

                                              > Blavtasky is saying that political reform is pointless until men
                                              > recognize in their innermost hearts what is real, and what is not
                                              > real, (i.e. abuse of power, iniquitious law, etc based on political
                                              > selfishness and then she adds when we achieve this level of moral
                                              > responsibility, "will disappear (the need for political reform) of
                                              > itself. As she says, "no lasting political reform can be ever
                                              > achieved with the same selfish en at the head of affairs as of old".
                                              > Gandhi is a prime example of this as for all the good he attempted to
                                              > achieve, look at the situation now between Pakistan and India.
                                              >

                                              Blavatsky said that politics was ephemeral, not pointless. By the
                                              same token, we can say that eating is pointless, because we'll be hungry
                                              again later.

                                              She did say that the Theosophical Society and those acting in the
                                              name of the Theosophical Society should stay out of politics, with the
                                              notable exception of increasing mutual understanding between opposing
                                              parties. She did not forbid, and in fact encouraged individual
                                              Theosophists to be involved in politics on their own, however.

                                              Bart



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                                            • Jeremy Condick
                                              ... I agree on this point. Especially on the mutual understanding between opposing parties. JPC. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                              Message 22 of 22 , May 26, 2013
                                                > Blavatsky said that politics was ephemeral, not pointless...

                                                > She did say that the Theosophical Society and those acting in the
                                                > name of the Theosophical Society should stay out of politics, with the
                                                > notable exception of increasing mutual understanding between opposing
                                                > parties. She did not forbid, and in fact encouraged individual
                                                > Theosophists to be involved in politics on their own, however.
                                                >
                                                > Bart

                                                I agree on this point. Especially on the
                                                "mutual understanding between opposing parties." JPC.



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