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  • dalval14@earthlink.net
    Thursday, February 07, 2002 Thanks Jerry: I guess I ll add my notes ? to YOUR NOTES Dallas ... From: Gerald Schueler [mailto:gschueler@earthlink.net] Sent:
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      Thursday, February 07, 2002

      Thanks Jerry:


      I guess I'll add my notes ? to YOUR NOTES


      Dallas

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Gerald Schueler [mailto:gschueler@...]
      Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:44 AM
      To: Theosophy Study List
      Subject: Quick Responses to Dallas

      <<<<Dallas wrote:
      For instance, here are some subjects being currently discussed
      and which others, and I, have been seeking answers for:>>>

      I would like to present some of my own quick answers to these
      questions.

      <<<Is there actual immortality? Is it possible this is in
      "invisible Nature and invisible Man ?">>>>

      Since there is no inherently real self, entity, or being, the
      ideas of immortality and mortality are just that - mental
      concepts. Grasping after immortality is just as futile as
      grasping after mortality. When all the dust of manifestation is
      removed, only a pure naked unadorned awareness remains which is
      neither subjective nor objective.
      ====================================

      DTB WHO says this? How is such a finality derived? How does
      it relate to continuity? Behind the mortal and transitory is
      there anything more permanent? But don't you say that ?

      I agree that once the material forms of any kind of substance are
      dissipate only pure awareness remains -- but then that has been
      called the immutable and indefinable ABSOLUTE. Other than that
      all is transitory -- but Why and What happens to the mutable
      components?

      =====================================

      <<<Do Law and Laws rule the Universe?>>>

      All laws are relative, and ours holds only for our 7-plane solar
      system. Furthermore, it is legal to transcend laws. The law of
      karma, for example, has a built-in provision which allows us to
      karmically transcend karma itself. Laws are the building blocks
      of manifestation and have only a conditional reality.

      ===============================

      DTB Within the "naked unadorned awareness" what is the CAUSE
      for differentiation and MANIFESTATION? How is it possible or
      necessary such a variety of individual consciousnesses ?
      What covers them with laws, materials, karma, and the power to
      think? Is that done spontaneously, is it done by some
      pre-existing pattern? Is there some reason for it ?

      If we have conditioned "building blocks" then somewhere we have
      the Unconditioned as a contrast or am I wrong ? Of what value
      are such "building block?"

      ===========================================


      <<<Is there any Goal for evolution?>>>

      No. Evolution is mayavic illusion, and to seek for a goal is like
      seeking for the goal of a dream while dreaming.

      ===========================================

      DTB Somehow I cannot conceive of a purposeless MAYA. If
      there is non-permanence, then something PERMANENT knows and
      perceives the difference? Why ?

      Even if a dreamer dreams, there is at some remove, an awareness
      that is not dependent on dream? Is it Reality? or does it
      perceive reality ?

      ===========================================


      <<<What is the power of thought? How is it developed? Where
      does it lead?>>>

      Thoughts are the product of manas and thoughts have great power
      on the lower planes, but do not even exist on the higher planes.
      Thoughts are karmic and to transcend thoughts is roughly
      equivalent to transcending karma.


      ====================================

      DTB MANAS is a name given to cover the many kinds of
      faculties and capacities that can be usually called: (by
      Patanjali -- Book I verse 6: "Correct Cognition, Misconception,
      Fancy, Sleep (and dreams) Memory. These are the result of
      Perception, Inference, Testimony.

      Apparently these several divisions (or tools) can be handled and
      modified by the Real Person who perceives an uses them after He
      /It adopts a "firm position."

      Patanjali then proceeds to discuss Meditation (or correct
      cognition) . He says it is preceded by "Faith, Energy,
      Intentness on a single point, and Discernment.

      He chooses to call the being that is free of "Maya" ISHWARA --
      and further says He /It is the preceptor -- the teacher of all,
      unlimited by time, space, or the existence or non-existence of
      "motion."

      He describes the obstacles that might limit Meditation in or on
      the abstract, as "Sickness, Inertia, Doubt, Carelessness
      (indifference) Attachment to any or all objects of the physical
      senses, Erroneous Perception ( Mayavically influenced), and a
      failure to achieve any stage of Abstraction, and finally a
      wavering Instability in any state when it is reached. To prevent
      these impeding the meditation he says ONE TRUTH alone should be
      considered.

      And so on --- just a taste of the ideas P. details.

      I think they have validity and have tested them.

      ===========================================


      <<<Is a single life adequate to learn all that can be known about
      our environment, ourselves and our potential future?>>>

      No, but a single life is all that is necessary for total
      enlightenment and liberation providing we are willing to expend
      the necessary effort.

      ==============================================

      DTB Yes in the final of the series of many lives there is
      that final life in which everything is brought to a point.

      It is described in the last few pages of the VOICE OF THE SILENCE
      , and also by Sir Edwin Arnold in THE LIGHT OF ASIA, for the
      Buddha.



      <<<Who (or what) runs the world and our Universe? Are we
      privileged to inquire into that ?>>>

      We do. Inquiry into ourselves is the same thing.


      <<<What are the limits of Space?>>>

      Our space is limited to our 7-plane solar system. Space and
      Motion come into manifestation together and they exist
      conditionally together.


      <<<What are the ultimate divisions of Time?>>>

      Time is Motion and its divisions are infinite.


      <<<Is eternity a fact or just a "very long time?">>>

      It is a fact that eternity is a very long time. Somewhere HPB
      tells us that "eternity" is the length of a manvantara, but I
      can't recall where.


      <<<How is Consciousness to be defined?>>>

      No one has yet been able to do this. I can't either.


      <<<Is Universal Brotherhood a fact in nature or only a wispy
      dream?>>>

      It is a lofty goal on the lower planes, and an established fact
      on the higher planes.


      <<<Why study other religions and sciences?>>>

      In order to learn something, to decrease our ignorance, to avoid
      stupidity.


      <<<Where is the research of human endeavor recorded?>>>

      All research is observation, and all observation is subjective. A
      lot of researched observation can be found in our local library.


      <<<Who keeps those records?>>>

      Observers. Libraries.

      Jerry S.


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