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  • proto37
    I ll read these recent posts from Dan and John - but I see in Spierenburg s Inner Group Teachings of H P Blavatsky on page xxiii, that Spierenburg and Dan C.
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      I'll read these recent posts from Dan and John - but I see in
      Spierenburg's "Inner Group Teachings of H P Blavatsky" on page xxiii,
      that Spierenburg and Dan C. (co-authors) say that the "phoney" KH
      letter is one that Hume received in 1882.

      - jake j.

      --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Augoeides-222@... wrote:
      >
      > Hi Jake, Daniel,
      > Well, I don't care to enter into interminable dissection of the
      written letters mentions here. I do have a simple view viz;
      >
      > >>"....And so with regard to concentration
      > the Blessed Master Koot Hoomi .'. writes:
      > 'Your best method is to concentrate on
      > the Master as a Living Man within you.
      > Make His image in your heart, and a focus
      > of concentration, so as to lose all sense
      > of bodily existence in the one thought."
      > ... and some following paragraphs.<<
      >
      > What is important to me here is whether or not this statement By
      Master K.H. is a true representation of the Doctrine they possess and
      and have been taught themselves, and so teach others, including
      Theosophists. It appears at least to me to be a true presentation of
      Tibetan and Indian Doctrine. For instance the Remed Adepts of
      Blavatsky's time taught this concept then and still do today which can
      be viewed as a teaching on the creation of one's personal Yidam Image
      that is self-constructed by meditation, intention, will, projection,
      and energy in order to satisfy a direct need later in the Bardo and
      post Bardo states of consciousness which provides the Adept with a
      functional vehicle for use as Nirmanakaya. This vehicle is utilitarian
      to the subtle existence and continuity of the Personality and in the
      manner they indicate, it is receptacle of the true Self in accordance
      with Heart Doctrine and in alignment with the Buddhic principle
      Hiranyagarbha. The One Life of the Mahatma's i
      > s the same One Life in which we all share "participation" but not
      possession and it is "The Living Man within you" That K.H. points at
      and inseparably ones True Master which K.H. also points at.
      > I have read several parallel schools that teach this view. It was
      present in the Remed movement of Tibet and also in the Kagyu teaching
      and other Schools when Blavatsky and Judge and Sinnett yet lived and
      is still taught today. I think it is a valid origination on that basis.
      >
      > With respect to all,
      > John
      >
      > ----------- Original message --------------
      > From: "proto37" <proto37@...>
      >
      > That "Phoney" KH letter in ES Instruction V
      >
      > There was some discussion on this
      > before, and I had a few more bits of
      > information come to light. The quotes
      > in question are on p. 696 BCW XII:
      >
      > "....And so with regard to concentration
      > the Blessed Master Koot Hoomi .'. writes:
      > 'Your best method is to concentrate on
      > the Master as a Living Man within you.
      > Make His image in your heart, and a focus
      > of concentration, so as to lose all sense
      > of bodily existence in the one thought."
      > ... and some following paragraphs.
      >
      > I think this is a phoney mahatma
      > communication, Dan thought it was genuine,
      > and compiled some references to it
      > from Julia Cambell Ver Planck (later
      > Julia Keightley) in The Path. I believe
      > MacDonald in "Fohat" refered to it as
      > possibly a metaphor for the "Higher Self."
      >
      > Here's another reference to Ver
      > Planck that supports partially MacDonald's
      > idea and adds 'mental image'.
      >
      > ".....'A medium is an open door',
      > might be added this, - 'The positive
      > idealist is a closed temple.' "The image
      > of the Master is the best protection
      > against lower influences; 'think of
      > the Master as a living man within you',
      > says an MSS. This refers to the mental
      > image of that master, who may be either
      > an adept or the Higher Self." from
      > "The Lion in the Path," The Path, Sept.,
      > 1890, p 178, "Jasper Niemand" (Ver Planck)
      >
      > Zirkoff in his introduction to
      > these ES Instructions, also casts
      > doubt on the veracity of everything
      > in them (as they were published after
      > HPB's death.) He writes on BCW XII, p. 653:
      >
      > "[E. S. Instructions I, II and III are the actual words of H.P.B.
      > They are therefore genuine texts, the authorship of which is not in
      > doubt, as originals bearing her signature are extant.
      >
      > "This, however, cannot be said about Instructions IV and V, and the
      > First Supplementary Paper to Instruction IV. Originally, when printed
      > by the H.P.B. Press in London, all the three were signed jointly by
      > Annie Besant and William Quan Judge. When printed by the Aryan Press
      > in New York, Instruction IV was the only one signed jointly, while the
      > other two were signed by W. Q. Judge alone.
      >
      > "These later Instructions are based on H.P.B.'s words taken down in
      > shorthand and in the form of Notes by some of her students during the
      > meetings of the Inner Group in London. The text that has come down to
      > us exhibits many uncertainties.
      >
      > "We include them in the present Volume with some reservations, even
      > though many passages in them are doubtless by H.P.B. herself.
      >
      > "The best discussion of the background of this later material may
      > be found in The Theosophical Forum (Point Loma, Calif.), Volume XVI,
      > April, May, June, 1940; XVII, July, August, September, October,
      > November, December, 1940; Vol. XVIII, January, February, March, April,
      > 1941, wherein Dr. Joseph H. Fussell, formerly secretary to Mr. Judge,
      > presented the available data in a Series entitled "Leaves of
      > Theosophical History: H.P.B.'s 'Inner Group.']"
      >
      > If anyone is interested in seeing
      > this series of articles by Fussell, I
      > have them in digital and can post them here.
      >
      > Julia Cambell Ver Planck (Julia Keightley)
      > was someone who took to Theosophy like a
      > fish to water, and was Judge's most important
      > support on The Path. She was the "Jasper
      > Niemand" in "Letters that have Helped Me"
      > and other articles, and other nom de plumes
      > in that magazine. I think she was also
      > responsible primarily for that highly
      > interesting series "Tea Table Talk." Tea
      > Table Talk was originally a "joint" venture
      > and "Julius" originally supposedly a joint
      > "nom de plume," but from all the womanly
      > worship in the numerous stories about clever
      > children in it, had to have been primarily
      > from a woman's pen, even though "Julius"
      > describes themselves as a "bachelor." Ver
      > Plack also published a book of similar
      > children's stories. Any man would be too
      > embarrassed to publish such. (Fullerton
      > didn't have the ease of writing style exhibited.)
      >
      > While Ver Planck has some of the most
      > valuable material in The Path, she was
      > also no doubt subject to some of the
      > vagaries of "pledge fever" that everyone
      > else is. Some of her pieces exhibit a
      > "forced inspiration" as if under these
      > type of pressures, and don't exactly ring
      > true, as well as being on the grandoise side.
      > (Similar can be seen in an early theosophical
      > book of "forced" inspiration by "Cave".
      > Emmett Small tipped me to this.) It is
      > sort of a "chela lust" to be giving out
      > grand sayings. I think maybe Ver Planck
      > was subject to this and possibly "mediated"
      > this questionable KH communication - in
      > imitation of HPB's abilities. The only
      > references in non-ES material to this
      > letter are from Ver Planck/Keightley as
      > far as I know.
      >
      > - jake j.
      >
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