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    Daniel, Thanks for making the contrast between my views and yours. That is really useful and I respect that. Algeo can also defend himself saying he does not
    Message 1 of 1 , Jun 8, 2006
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      Daniel,

      Thanks for making the contrast between my views and yours.

      That is really useful and I respect that.

      Algeo can also defend himself saying he does not says that the slanders are true. Yet he, and you, keep circulating the slanders. And without clearly identifying them as such. Why?-- I ask.

      You know what kind of things HPB would write, publically, of you two, if she were physically around.

      I have published her " frank opinion" on the level of brain activity of those who think that "Algeo's Volume Letter Seven" (the spy letter) "may be true".

      Remember? Want to see it again? It is easy to find for me, around here.


      Best regards, Carlos C. Aveline




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      Data:Thu, 08 Jun 2006 22:55:22 -0000

      Assunto:Theos-World Carlos' own special version of the "truth"????

      > Carlos writes many things in his posting at:
      >
      > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/34036
      >
      > People can now read and compare what Carlos has written about
      > the SPR with what Leslie Price has written and come to their own
      > conclusions.
      >
      > Moving on.
      >
      > Below are a few choice comments of Carlos (which directly or
      > indirectly I assume) he wants readers to associate with me:
      >
      > ----------------------------------------------------------
      >
      > The issue is that --completely ignoring the historical events of
      > 1986 -- John Algeo and Daniel Caldwell have been circulating the
      > same old charges, as if they had not been proven false and dropped
      > by the very SPR….
      >
      > Leslie Price, Michael Gomes, Jean Overton Fuller, Radha Burnier and
      > others have clearly STAYED AWAY FROM from this ambiguous but
      > insistent policy of circulating libels as if they could be "probably
      > true".
      >
      > Readers in different countries and continents are reacting against
      > this adoption of proven falsehoods.
      >
      > -----------------------------------------------------------
      >
      > And then in another recent posting
      >
      > he writes:
      >
      > ------------------------------------------------
      >
      > What are the motives, then (more than one century later) for John
      > Algeo, Daniel Caldwell and a few others to try to adopt those
      > slanders as if they had been written by HPB herself? I will leave
      > that to the reader.
      >
      > ------------------------------------------------
      >
      > CONTRARY to what Carlos asserts, here is my editorial comments and
      > opinion as expressed in THE ESOTERIC WORLD OF MADAME BLAVATSKY:
      >
      > ----------------------------------------------------
      >
      > p. 205: "Emma Coulomb later claimed that she
      > collaborated with HPB at Adyar, as she had earlier in
      > Bombay, in producing false phenomena; however, her
      > descriptions of what she did are not consistent with
      > the observatations of others, who witnessed the
      > phenomena, both Indian and Westerners, as some of the
      > following selections demonstrate."
      >
      > p. 264: "The Coulomb attack, as was later evident, had
      > no solid foundation whatsoever...."
      >
      > p. 406: "In May 1884, the Coulomb couple were expelled
      > from the Theosophial Society for theft, attempted
      > extortion and slander...."
      >
      > p. 264: "In 1963, Adlai Waterman....refuted Hodgson's
      > contentions against Madame Blavatsky....Another
      > refutation of some of Hodgson's charges against HPB is
      > Vernon Harison's article...."
      >
      > ------------------------------------------------------
      >
      > And on my website I write:
      >
      > ------------------------------------------------------
      >
      > Some readers of the compilation titled "The Testimony of Emma
      > Coulomb & Richard Hodgson Concerning the Appearances of the
      > Mahatmas" may have noticed that Emma Coulomb's and Richard Hodgson's
      > accounts concerning the "appearances" and "encounters" with the
      > Mahatmas do not mention or explain what I will call the "paranormal"
      > features of many of these encounters that various people testified
      > about. This "silence" by Coulomb and Hodgson leads me to conclude
      > that these "explanations" by Coulomb and Hodgson are (to say the
      > least) inadequate and unconvincing.
      >
      > ---------------------------------------------------
      >
      > I make more relevant comments at:
      >
      > http://blavatskyarchives.com/mahatmasapparitions.htm#1
      >
      > And as I stated previously, I quoted Madame Coulomb's and Mr.
      > Hodgson's own words in my book so readers could read these
      > statements for themselves, compare them with what other people
      > stated and make up their minds for themselves. Apparently, Mr.
      > Aveline has already made up his mind in this matter and that is just
      > fine. But it would appear that he doesn't want other people to read
      > something for themselves and come to their own conclusions.
      >
      > I also notice Mr. Aveline mentions Mr. Carrithers and his research
      > and apparently holds them in high regard. Yet since I personally
      > knew Mr. Carrithers and was the executor of his literary estate, I
      > know from first hand knowledge that Mr. Carrithers would have wanted
      > each inquirer and student to read whatever he thinks is proper,
      > think for himself and come to his own conclusions. Notice what Mr.
      > Carrithers says in his book OBITUARY: The Hodgson Report on Madame
      > Blavatsky:
      >
      > ---------------------------------------------------------
      >
      > It is safe to calculate that for every ten thousand persons who have
      > heard and believe that Richard Hodgson "exposed" H.P. Blavatsky as a
      > fraud and imposter, not more than one has read his "expose;" and,
      > that for every thousand of his readers, hardly one has ever seen
      > Emma Coulomb's pamphlet. And yet, by logic and every rule of common
      > sense, the latter document takes precedence over all others in
      > standing at the very heart of the controversy raised by the
      > Coulombs, comprising as it does the firsthand unadulterated
      > testimony of the chief accusers, together with documentary "proofs"
      > adduced for their claims. Yet, strange to say, practically no
      > attention was paid to THIS PRICELESS PAMPHLET - least of all by
      > indignant Theosophists who put no stock in what Mme. Coulomb might
      > have to say! -, not until, that is, the appearance in 1937 of Mrs.
      > Hastings' booklet, Defence of Madame Blavatsky (Volume II)
      > The "Coulomb Pamphlet". Unfortunately, Mrs. Hastings did not live
      > to complete her promising study of the case. [Caps added. DHC]
      >
      > ------------------------------------------------------
      >
      > I remember Mr. Carrithers telling me how he searched a long time for
      > a copy of the Coulomb pamphlet because he wanted to read the charges
      > for himself and not be like those indignant Theosophists who put no
      > stock in what Mme. Coulomb might have to say!"
      >
      > Instead Mr. Aveline apparently wants Theosophical inquirers and
      > students to be like ostriches and put their heads in the sand!
      >
      > Notice how Madame Blavatsky dealt with Mrs. Annie
      > Besant. Mrs. Besant wrote in 1893:
      >
      > =================================================
      >
      > And so it came to pass that I went again to Lansdowne Road to ask
      > about the Theosophical Society. H.P. Blavatsky looked at me
      > piercingly for a moment. "Have you read the report about me of the
      > Society for Psychical Research?" "No; I never heard of it, so far as
      > I know." "Go and read it, and if, after reading it, you come back—
      > well." And nothing more would she say on the subject, but branched
      > off to her experiences in many lands.
      >
      > I borrowed a copy of the Report, read and re-read it. Quickly I saw
      > how slender was the foundation on which the imposing structure was
      > built. The continual assumptions on which conclusions were based;
      > the incredible character of the allegations; and—most damning fact
      > of all—the foul source from which the evidence was derived.
      > Everything turned on the veracity of the Coulombs, and they were
      > self-stamped as partners in the alleged frauds. Could I put such
      > against the frank, fearless nature that I had caught a glimpse of,
      > against the proud fiery truthfulness that shone at me from the
      > clear, blue eyes, honest and fearless as those of a noble child? Was
      > the writer of "The Secret Doctrine" this miserable impostor, this
      > accomplice of tricksters, this foul and loathsome deceiver, this
      > conjuror with trap-doors and sliding panels? I laughed aloud at the
      > absurdity and flung the Report aside with the righteous scorn of an
      > honest nature that knew its own kin when it met them, and shrank
      > from the foulness and baseness of a lie. The next day saw me at the
      > Theosophical Publishing Company's office at 7, Duke Street, Adelphi,
      > where Countess Wachtmeister—one of the lealest of H.P.B.'s friends—
      > was at work, and I signed an application to be admitted as fellow of
      > the Theosophical Society.
      >
      > On receiving my diploma I betook myself to Lansdowne Road, where I
      > found H.P.B. alone. I went over to her, bent down and kissed her,
      > but said no word. "You have joined the Society?" "Yes." "You have
      > read the report?" "Yes." "Well?" I knelt down before her and clasped
      > her hands in mine, looking straight into her eyes. "My answer is,
      > will you accept me as your pupil, and give me the honour of
      > proclaiming you my teacher in the face of the world?" Her stern, set
      > face softened, the unwonted gleam of tears sprang to her eyes; then,
      > with a dignity more than regal, she placed her hand upon my
      > head. "You are a noble woman. May Master bless you."
      >
      > ===================================================
      >
      > That is the Madame Blavatsky I admire....
      >
      > Yet when I quote only several pages from Hodgson's Report, Mr.
      > Aveline conjures up in his fertile imagination all sorts of negative
      > things about me! I guess it makes for exciting reading.....
      >
      > One more comment from Carlos and I will be done. He writes:
      >
      > -----------------------------------------------------
      >
      > One can only hope that John Algeo and Daniel Caldwell will re-think
      > the whole issue and finally accept the central fact that HPB was a
      > brave soul; that she had a pure heart; and that she was a Sage of
      > humanity.
      >
      > --------------------------------------------------------
      >
      > Well I don't have to re-think the whole issue because I already
      > believe she was a Sage of humanity.
      >
      > See my essay titled:
      >
      > "Bear Witness!": Who Was the Real H.P.B.?
      > http://www.blavatskyarchives.com/whitelotus2000.htm
      >
      > Daniel
      > http://hpb.cc
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