Leon wrote: "...the Adepts who founded ULT...."
- On Apr 12, 2005, Leon wrote about:
"...the Adepts who founded ULT...."
And on April 18, Leon also commented:
"Therefore, if any current theosophical group
could be the considered the heirs of the original
TS, it would be those who followed in the footsteps
of WQJ (one of the original founders), stayed far
distant from any religious beliefs, practices or
politics, and who still base their studies on the
SD and other original writings of both HPB and WQJ
-- such as ULT and its independent lodges,
study groups, and associates... Some of whom
(and I speak from both direct and indirect
personal knowledge) have been in contact with
certain occult 'Masters' who admonish them to
never repeat the failed experiment of forming
organized society's, or churches to represent
"theosophy" -- lest it becomes just another
dogmatic religion that ultimately must
politically go to bed with the black magic
practicing enemies of the true theosophical teachings."
I call special attention to these two excerpts:
"...the Adepts who founded ULT...."
"Some [ULT associattes??] of whom (and I speak
from both direct and indirect personal knowledge)
have been in contact with certain occult 'Masters'..."
There is no mention in the two histories of the
Theosophical Movement published by the Theosophy
Company that the ULT was found by "Adepts".
In one publication issued by the Theosophy Company, one
finds the following:
There is also the association of Theosophical students known as the
United Lodge of Theosophists, formed in 1909 in Los Angeles,
California, under the inspiration and guidance of Robert Crosbie.
Mr. Crosbie was a Boston Theosophist during the time of William Q.
Judge. He worked very closely with Judge, enjoying his
confidence....He secured work in Los Angeles and gradually began to
gather around him a few studentsmost of them entirely new to
Theosophyto undertake once more the task of promulgating
Theosophy in the same form as originally presented by the Founders
of the Movement. When, in 1909, he had been joined by a small
nucleus of persons who shared this ideal, The United Lodge of
Theosophists was formed to carry out the purposes in view....
U.L.T. has no "leaders," in the sense that any personal authority
attaches to leadership, and no "teachers" save the literature of the
Movement and the principles of the philosophy itself. As in all
human endeavors, the influence of individuals is felt in the work of
the United Lodge of Theosophists, but this occurs in the natural
course of the working together of a number of people, more or less
experienced, more or less devoted and schooled in the philosophy,
toward a common end. It was the distinctive contribution of Robert
Crosbie, in setting going the work of the United Lodge of
Theosophistsand he lived until 1919, ten years after the
formation of the Parent Lodge in Los Angelesthat the emphasis
always be upon ideas, principles and objectives, and never upon
claims or living personalities, though recognition of H. P.
Blavatsky and Wm. Q. Judge, through their teachings, was basic to
While the students who were associated with Mr. Crosbie from the
beginning made outstanding contributions to the Movement, they never
sought personal recognition, and those coming later also follow the
example of Mr. Crosbie in directing attention only to the original
teachings and teachers and Theosophical principles....
As Mr. Crosbie never made any claims in his own behalf, there is no
need to defend his "status" in the Movement. What "status" belongs
to him is that which might be naturally accorded the man who
resuscitated the teachings, the methods and program of work of the
Founders of the original Society, and who was able to inspire others
to go and do likewise....
In the above history there is NO mention of the ULT being
founded by Adepts.
Is Leon claiming that Robert Crosbie was one of these "adepts"?
And who were the other "adepts"?
And when Leon writes about some ULT associates being
"in contact with certain occult 'Masters'...", is he
referring to present day associates or is he referring
to the "early days" of the ULT??
If Leon will enlighten us on these matters, we may have
to have the following list of claimants updated to include
Leon's "adepts" and "latter-day messengers" at:
Daniel H. Caldwell
Blavatsky Study Center
- Relevant to Leon's comments quoted at:
I give the below information.
In 2001 on Theos-Talk, I wrote Gregory
Tillett as follows:
"About 15 years ago Walter A. Carrithers, Jr.
told me that the DES 'officials' (Robert Crosbie,
John Garrigues, Grace Clough and others) claimed
to be in contact and communication with HPB,
WQJ and the Masters. I believe that in a phone
conversation later with John Cooper he also
told me that this was his understanding of
the claims of the above named individuals."
"Gregory, can you confirm these observations and
are there any extant papers that verify what
Walter and John believed was true?"
Dr. Tillett replied as follows:
"I do not recall the discussions you mention, although
I was certainly told by several sources that Crosbie
claimed to have left Pt Loma because he asserted he
was in contact with HPB and the Masters, and that
he continued to make this claim thereafter. I can
cite not source for the story, given that my notebooks
are now archived in the attic. I recall talking about
this with John, but I do not now recall whether he
mentioned any supporting evidence."