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Re: Theos-World Re: NDE while Brain dead -to Niki et al

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  • Cass Silva
    Dear Niki Get ready, here it comes....a great big whack of love Cass Niki Durand wrote: Leon- Get a life, and please don t bother me!
    Message 1 of 3 , May 3, 2005
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      Dear Niki
      Get ready, here it comes....a great big whack of love
      Cass

      Niki Durand <nikidurand@...> wrote:
      Leon-

      Get a life, and please don't bother me!

      What an asinine post...

      Bye!

      Niki


      --- LeonMaurer@... wrote:

      >
      > In a message dated 04/27/05 8:53:18 PM,
      > nikidurand@... writes:
      >
      > >Dang, Leon, why all the words?!
      >
      > Because other people interested in theosophy read
      > these letters and some like
      > to know what's true or not, or what other and
      > possibly wiser people think is
      > real or not. Besides, if I put all your letters
      > together that I was
      > responding to, your words would add up to twice
      > mine. :-)
      >
      > >When all you really wanted to say that you don't
      > care
      > >about my contact with Dionne...
      >
      > Right, I couldn't care less. But what I really
      > wanted to say (and did) was
      > that your so called contacts with your dead lover
      > are nothing more than
      > fantasies in your own lower mind, coming out of your
      > own emotional self pity and
      > dependent nature, and that, since such personal
      > conflict resolutions are of no
      > value to any others from a theosophical point of
      > view -- you should keep your
      > private necromancy to yourself. (Unless you find
      > another group dedicated to such
      > personal erotica, or maybe turn it all into an
      > interesting novel -- which you
      > seem to have the writing talent for. :-)
      >
      > >Fine, she and I will continue to have a good
      > time...
      >
      > Which, of course, is your privilege -- since no one
      > has the right to complain
      > about someone else's mental masturbation's or other
      > fantasies if it makes
      > them happy. :-) My youngest Daughter (by my second
      > of three wives) who's 52,
      > still talks to her invisible friend she played with
      > when she was seven, but she
      > knows she made her up and that she is really talking
      > to herself. :-)
      >
      > >Now go back to your books and speculations...
      >
      > Thanks for your kind if not sarcastic permission.
      > ;^) But I have no need of
      > books nor do I speculate on anything much anymore.
      >
      > Since this is ostensibly a theosophical discussion
      > group -- all I can do is
      > question other's views and give out what I know to
      > be true, based on my own
      > study and experience coupled with the confirmation
      > from the Master within (the
      > higher spiritual self) -- who I can hear as clearly
      > as you think you can see and
      > touch your dead lover.
      >
      > The only difference being that you have projected
      > your former and now
      > replaced lover into the Astral, painted her with all
      > the fantasies of character and
      > wisdom that salve your own suppressed guilt's and
      > other problems with your
      > seemingly promiscuous sexual relationships, and that
      > you can only experience those
      > fantasies by reflection... While I have no need of
      > that second hand massaging
      > of my lower ego, since the higher self is our own
      > real nature that depends on
      > nothing for its peace and equanimity outside of
      > itself.
      >
      > As for my lower nature, all I can do is let it
      > follow its own natural
      > functions and needs (not wants or desires) that lead
      > to full enjoyment of a healthy
      > and, hopefully useful and productive life among
      > family, friends and associates
      > (and sometimes lovers) that come and go -- without
      > fantasies or regrets --
      > until I shuffle off to the next episode in this game
      > of life I'm forced by my
      > past karma (and my own present choice) to play. :-)
      >
      >
      > >I'll stick to my experience...
      >
      > You do that... And, I hope it leads to the good
      > karma you deserve, and the
      > lessons it might teach you.
      >
      > In the meantime I'll stick to mine, stay around, and
      > continue to bug anyone
      > whom I think needs their assertive, supposedly
      > theosophical knowledge (if based
      > on self generated smoke and mirrored imaginations
      > conjured up in their lower
      > mind) straightened out a bit... Or, at least, poked
      > into with the hope that
      > they might wake themselves up and begin to see and
      > understand the true
      > theosophical transcendental or metaphysical reality
      > (which includes its physical,
      > astral, mental and spiritual aspects) as it really
      > is. :-)
      >
      > As a final observation, if an experience is really
      > spiritual, one could never
      > talk about it.
      >
      > Best wishes,
      >
      > Leon
      >
      > >Niki
      > >
      > >
      > >--- leonmaurer@... wrote:
      > >
      > >>
      > >> To Niki and others on this thread.
      > >>
      > >> Whether or not I am interested in what Dionne
      > taught
      > >> you is irrelevant.
      > >> Also, what you implied by "scripture" has nothing
      > to
      > >> do with what's true or not.
      > >>
      > >> I was referring to reading responses to previous
      > >> correspondence that does not
      > >> quote what the writer is referring to, answering
      > >> letters out of context,
      > >> changing subject lines in midstream, or just
      > plain
      > >> nonsense comments, unfounded
      > >> assertions, or personal remarks directed to
      > >> particular individuals. Unless one
      > >> quotes the entire dialogue in any thread, this is
      > >> not the way an open and
      > >> unmoderated topical discussion forum should
      > work.
      > >>
      > >> But since you asked -- I am not particularly
      > >> interested in anybody's personal
      > >> experiences based on any sort of contact with the
      > >> dead (other than to refute
      > >> it as being of no value at all in increasing
      > anyones
      > >> knowledge of theosophy)
      > >> ... Since, my own knowledge and experience of
      > >> occultism and mental or psychic
      > >> phenomena coupled with metaphysics and science
      > goes
      > >> deep enough to know that
      > >> much of such stuff referring to visions of the
      > >> afterlife and seeing and talking
      > >> to the dead, are self delusional, strictly
      > personal
      > >> wishful thinking, or
      > >> chemically induced hallucinations (either through
      > >> brain or gland dysfunction's or
      > >> ingestion of certain drugs) -- that doesn't help
      > >> anyone else in understanding
      > >> the true nature of reality or attaining their own
      > >> self realization or
      > >> enlightenment -- which depends solely on their
      > own
      > >> particular karma, and has nothing to
      > >> do with anyone else's karma or their imaginations
      > or
      > >> fantasies... That should
      > >> be kept strictly to themselves.
      > >>
      > >> But you can keep on writing all you want about
      > it,
      > >> and if I find it
      > >> theosophically interesting, I'll read some more.
      > If
      > >> not, I will ignore it.
      > >>
      > >> (The above was written more than a week ago.)
      > >>
      > >> Now that I've read some more about your imaginary
      > >> experiences and what was
      > >> taught to you (which may or may not be true,
      > >> wherever it came from) I can put it
      > >> in the same category of other spiritualists'
      > >> delusions (as HPB did) -- that,
      > >> along with private chats and meaningless one line
      > >> comments, has cluttered my
      > >> mailbox with almost 1000 letters having little of
      > >> value in most of them (as I
      >
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