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Comments?: Blavatsky versus Bailey on "Christ"

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  • D. H. Caldwell <info@blavatskyarchives.c
    I am somewhat surprised that there have been so few comments from Bailey students on what Blavatsky said about Christ as compared to what Bailey wrote about
    Message 1 of 2 , Jan 22, 2003
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      I am somewhat surprised that there have been so few comments from
      Bailey students on what Blavatsky said about "Christ" as compared to
      what Bailey wrote about "Christ".

      Alice Bailey's version is what I would consider a "CRUDE literalism."
      What HPB characterizes as "a dead letter belief."

      Consider the following two passages from Bailey:

      "They will prepare and work for conditions in the world in which
      Christ can move freely among men, in bodily Presence; He need not
      then remain in His present retreat in Central Asia."

      "His reappearance and His consequent work cannot be confined to one
      small locality or domain, unheard of by the great majority, as was
      the case when He was here before. The radio, the press, and the
      dissemination of news, will make His coming different to that of any
      previous Messenger; the swift modes of transportation will make Him
      available to countless millions, and by boat, rail and plane they can
      reach Him: through television, His face can be made familiar to all,
      and verily 'every eye shall see Him."

      This is the kind of literalism that I often encountered when I used
      to study such religious movements as the Worldwide Church of God
      (founded by Herbert W. Armstrong). The second passage by Bailey is
      very similar to what Garner Ted Armstrong (Herbert's son) used to say
      on his slick TV program the "World Tomorrow."

      Compare the above with H.P. Blavatsky's comments below.

      HPB's words point toward a true mystical Christianity, a universal
      religion. . . .

      "It hushes the 'Lo here! and lo there!' and declares the Christ, like
      the kingdom of heaven, to be within."

      ". . . 'the coming of Christ,' means the presence of CHRISTOS in a
      regenerated world, and not at all the actual coming in body
      of 'Christ' Jesus; . . . for Christ--the true esoteric SAVIOUR--
      is no man, but the DIVINE PRINCIPLE in every human being."

      "Whether it be Krishna, Buddha, Sosiosh, Horus or Christos, it is a
      universal PRINCIPLE....the Christians, by localizing and isolating
      this great Principle, and denying it to any other man except Jesus of
      Nazareth (or the Nazar), CARNALIZE the Christos of the Gnostics; that
      alone prevents them having any point in common with the disciples of
      the Archaic Wisdom. . . true Theosophists will never accept ...a
      Christ made Flesh. . . ."

      "So what kind of Theosophist was Bailey?" one might ask.

      For more comparisions, see:

      ". . . true Theosophists will never accept ...a Christ made
      Flesh. . . "
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/10662

      Blavatsky and Bailey on the Christ: COMPARE & CONTRAST
      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/theos-talk/message/10619

      Daniel H. Caldwell
      BLAVATSKY ARCHIVES
      http://hpb.cc
    • James Davis
      DHCibc I am somewhat surprised that there have been so few comments from DHCibc Bailey students on what Blavatsky said about Christ as compared to DHCibc
      Message 2 of 2 , Jan 22, 2003
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        DHCibc> I am somewhat surprised that there have been so few comments from
        DHCibc> Bailey students on what Blavatsky said about "Christ" as compared to
        DHCibc> what Bailey wrote about "Christ".

        DHCibc> Alice Bailey's version is what I would consider a "CRUDE literalism."
        DHCibc> What HPB characterizes as "a dead letter belief."

        The dead and the living are not only in the world, in the eye of the
        reader.

        I offer below some quotations that add more more perspective than the
        ones you selected.

        Best Regards,

        James

        ****


        "As I have earlier pointed out, the return of Christ will be
        expressed, in the first place, by an upsurging of the Christ
        consciousness in the hearts of men everywhere; its first expression
        will be goodwill."

        ****

        "In the second place, disciples everywhere will find themselves
        increasingly sensitive to his quality, his voice and his teaching;
        they will be "over-shadowed" by him in many cases, just as before, he
        over-shadowed his disciple Jesus; through this over-shadowing of
        disciples in all lands, he will duplicate himself repeatedly. The
        effectiveness and the potency of the over-shadowed disciple will be
        amazing"

        ****

        "Christ will, therefore, surely come in three ways. He will come as
        men recognize that He is truly here as He has been ever since He
        apparently left the earth; He will come in the sense also that He
        will over-shadow, inspire and directly guide and personally confer
        with His advanced disciples as they labor in the field of the world,
        in the effort to establish right human relations and as they become
        known as the directing Agents of [147] God's will; He will come also
        in the hearts of men everywhere, manifesting as the indwelling
        Christ, struggling towards the light and influencing the lives of men
        towards conscious recognition of divinity. Men on a large scale will
        then pass through the Bethlehem experience, the Christ in them will
        come to the birth and they will become 'new men'."

        ****


        1. By His over-shadowing of all initiates and disciples who are
        today, or will be at the time of His arrival, active in the three
        worlds of human evolution. This involves His influencing their
        minds telepathically. This over-shadowing or influencing will be
        His primary work upon the mental plane. This will constitute one
        of His most effective methods in His proposed spiritual
        interference in world affairs. Through the medium of these members
        or affiliates of the Hierarchy, He will have outposts of His
        consciousness in every nation. Through them He can work.

        2. By the pouring out of the Christ life or consciousness upon the
        masses everywhere and in every nation. This spiritual inflow will
        bring about the reorienting of human desire and will evoke the
        emotional reaction to His Presence. This therefore brings the
        astral plane within the active sphere of His influence; this
        involves the release of the energy of goodwill into the hearts of
        men, predisposing them towards right human relations. It is this
        establishing of right relations which is the major objective of
        His coming triple activity. The masses everywhere will be
        responsive to the work and the message of the Christ, as it is
        [616] implemented from the mental plane by the disciples and
        initiates, over-shadowed by the mind of Christ.

        3. By His physical appearance among men. Through His Own immediate
        appearance, He can establish a potent focal point of hierarchical
        energy upon Earth in a manner not hitherto possible. He has never
        deserted humanity and has always kept His promise to stay with us
        all the days, even unto the end of the age. Men in all lands will
        know where He can be found. The locale of this focal point of His
        threefold spiritual activity cannot here be disclosed, for it is
        contingent upon the results of the sequential processes of
        over-shadowing and outpouring.















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