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  • Steve Stubbs <stevestubbs@yahoo.com>
    Dear BAG: Many thanks for the interesting comments. I have some stupid questions for you. Even if the Vedas are 7000 years old as you say, which would make
    Message 1 of 1 , Jan 12, 2003
      Dear BAG:

      Many thanks for the interesting comments. I have some stupid
      questions for you.

      Even if the Vedas are 7000 years old as you say, which would make
      them about contemporaneous with the earliest manuscripts of the I
      CHING, what do you make of the fact that the human race is believed
      to have originated at least 50,000 years ago according to some
      reckonings, and as many as 2m years ago by others? If Vishnu is
      real, why did he wait so long to reveal himself?

      BAG: "ALL of the extant separate Shaivite, Shakti, Advaitan, and
      Buddhist Sanskrit texts (Mahayana Buddhist Texts are originally in
      Vaishnava Sanskrit) are much later than the Vedic?Vaishnava texts.
      However one dates the Vaishnava Sastras and these later texts, and
      the traditions they represent, the separated
      traditions are clearly based on the former existence of the Vedic?
      Vaishnava Tradition. Thus the common inheritance / genealogy of the
      separated traditions in is Vedic?era Purusha or Vishnu worship.

      So this, in other words, is the mysterious "primitive wisdom
      religion" spoken of by Godfrey Higgins and others and taken from them
      by HPB into her system?

      BAG: "popular Western view of 'Hindusim' completely ignores this
      reality.

      I am missing something. How is that possible when the "popular
      Western view of 'Hindusim'" is the Hare Krishna bunch and all those
      comic books they publish?

      BAG: "The Vedic?Vaishnava Purusha doctrine of His once?and?all?
      sufficient Cosmic Sacrifice comes down to the present as a vibrant
      living tradition not only in Vaishnavism, but is at the core of the
      Judeo?Catholic doctrine of the atoning cosmic sacrifice of Messiah?
      Christ

      It should be said that the idea of human sacrifice to appease demons
      is not Jewish but pagan, and was taken into Christianity from Greek
      and Roman rather than Jewish sources.

      BAG: "these sacrifices were and are always ahimsa or NON?
      BLOODY vegetarian or lacto?vegetarian offerings. These are related to
      the Jewish 'praise' and 'thanks' offerings, and the
      unbloody offerings of the Nazarites and the priesthood of Mechizedek

      Are you talking about the prohibition against touching a corpse while
      under the Nazarite vow?

      BAG: "In the Mediterranean the sattvic practices of the Heliopolitan
      Ascetics, including the Nazarite Jews etc.

      Are you saying the Nazarites are connected with the Egyptian
      priesthood from the city of On?

      BAG: "For theosophists who are 'standing on the shoulders of giants'
      to insult those giants is a pretty small?minded and arrogant thing.

      Hear hear. Theosophists are arrogant as hell. I like that
      phrase "pretty small?minded," too, Hear hear.

      BAG: "The Vedic Hymns cannot be understood without reference to the
      Vaishnava Sattvic (canonical ) Puranas, which context them and
      explain them.

      It should be mentioned that THE VISHNU PURANA is medieval vintage and
      therefore represents a considerably later stage of intellectual
      development than do the Vedas.

      BAG: "She used the Vishnu Purusha?centric Vedas and the Puranas
      extensively in her writings, but like the atheistic Buddhists and
      Mayavadis before her, systematically removed devotion to the Personal
      God Vishnu from what she used.

      Which makes sense, since she proclaimed herself a Buddhist and
      therefore not a theist. Nor are Sikhs theists.

      BAG: "Outside of the Sanskrit Vedic?Vaishnava Literatures or their
      later Buddhist and Shaivite versions, the 'Stanzas' of Dzyan had
      apparently had no existence.

      Wow, what a burn. I always suspected that was true but did not know
      if anyone could prove it. That does not diminish its value, but it
      does reveal the "stanzas" to be a sort of hatrack of the mind, on
      which one could hang ideas. rather than an actual book.

      BAG: "The Theos and Thea Supreme 'God and Goddess' and Their
      expansions or emanations and incarnations as various 'gods and
      goddesses' throughout the ancient world were all part of the same
      primal EMANATIONAL AND INCARNATIONAL MONOTHEISTIC RELIGIO?CUTURAL
      SYSTEM. This one RIG VEDIC RELATED ancient religious culture was
      also predominant AT A VERY EARLY TIME in the Mediterranean Region

      In simpler language, are you saying that you accept the PWR
      hypothesis?

      That out of which creation has arisen,
      whether it held it firm or it did not,
      He who surveys it in the highest heaven,
      He surely knows ? or maybe He does not!

      It should be mentioned that Blavatsky somewhere quotes this very
      verse. I believe in the book FIVE YEARS OF THEOSOPHY.
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