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    Jan 8th 2003 Re: Guru / chela relationship. Dear Friends: May I but in with a few more observations ? Regarding the relations between Guru and Chela one ought
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      Jan 8th 2003

      Re: Guru / chela relationship.

      Dear Friends:

      May I but in with a few more observations ?


      Regarding the relations between Guru and Chela one ought to observe
      that the traditions of the ancient Lodge of the WHITE ADEPTS never
      demands of any "chela" complete subservience, belief or acceptance.

      The right to think for ones' self and to make ones' own decisions is
      never curtailed. How could that be done for an immortal ?

      The Guru helps and serves the chela, he does not dominate nor does he
      demand impossible submission. That, in any case, is unreasonable, and
      also unenforceable. Neither the Guru nor the chela can ever be
      unconscious of their individual immortality, or of the Karma which
      unites them for life, and for lives to come. The Chela might make this
      mistake, but not the Guru.

      The reason for this is that each individual, be they Guru or Chela, is
      in essence an immortal Soul Ego. (ATMA-BUDDHI) --or HIGHER SELF.

      The Guru enables the Lower Manas (of this incarnation) to see itself
      more clearly. The Lower Manas is that, which is at present the active
      principle in each one of us. It has to decide to aspire to, and to
      become a living BUDDHI MANAS (a Bodhisattva, as described in the 3rd
      Fragment "The Seven Portals" of the VOICE OF THE SILENCE) -- and in so
      doing, the Lower Manas is purified by the discipline imposed on it by
      its own inner HIGHER MANAS of all selfish tendencies -- as an absolute
      prerequisite for Divine Wisdom to be able to shine through it. (see
      1st para of CHELAS AND LAY CHELAS)

      It should be clear that the Wisdom is innate (though latent) in each
      of us, and it is universal and DIVINE in scope. Also the Guru serves
      the chela as a guide, as one who understands and can help, for the
      chela to achieve this purification process. The Guru in such cases
      provides the chela with explanations, and examples; and suggests that
      the chela impose on the lower self a discipline that has for object
      the development of an instantaneous and continuous SELF-DISCIPLINE.

      Every inch of progress is self-achieved by the aspirant. It is up to
      the chela to consider, and accept those conditions of self-imposed
      discipline, which, in the case of the School of the White Brotherhood,
      have been tested and proved essential by many millennia of experience.
      Once accepted, the chela has to make it his business to provide
      unswerving fidelity to the guru -- one, who for him is the embodiment
      of TRUTH and therefore of the LAW OF KARMA in its entirety. It is for
      this reason that the relation is called dangerous to the guru, and
      requires of the chela a careful and continuous observation of all
      virtues (paramitas).

      It is difficult because the habits and ways of life and thinking (as a
      lower-manasic entity) of the chela have to be altered by his own
      efforts. In effect it is like living in a house (the personality)
      while it is being remodeled by the indwelling architect and artisan.
      The human will is employed to do this. Altruism and impartiality are
      the tools and measures employed.

      This is what I learned from the reading of those articles and of the
      KEY TO THEOSOPHY (HPB).

      As far as my study of that which Theosophy offers as a survey of this
      relationship goes. I have never heard of anything being offered or
      said that was untrue, vague, or misleading. Nor was the "chela"
      supposed to accept unreservedly anything the guru passed on. It is
      however true that to the newly constituted chela some of these
      regulations appear to be most strict. He should therefore first put
      himself through a process of learning and examining, so that his
      understanding is awake and attentive.

      If one has available a copy of Mr. Judge's LETTERS THAT HAVE HELPED ME
      a reference to what is written between pp. 40 and 56 is valuable in
      this regard. { available, on line or as a book through
      http://www.blavatsky.net} .

      The chela was always encouraged, as a preliminary, to think over what
      was said and to ask for further explanations.

      There exists, published by the U L T in Bombay, India a collection of
      H P B's articles on this relationship under the title RAJA YOGA OR
      OCCULTISM. Those articles have been made available to us through
      several Theosophical Web-pages, including: http://www.blavatsky.net

      These are all by H P B

      THE THEOSOPHICAL MAHATMAS
      PRACTICAL OCCULTISM
      OCCULTISM vs, THE OCCULT ARTS
      LODGES OF MAGIC
      PSYCHIC AND NOETIC ACTION
      THE SCIENCE OF MAGIC
      THE SEARCH AFTER OCCULTISM
      DIALOGUE BETWEEN THE TO EDITORS
      DIALOGUE ON THE MYSTERIES OF THE AFTER LIFE
      HYPNOTISM AND ITS RELATION TO OTHER MODES OF FASCINATION
      WHAT OF PHENOMENA?
      THOUGHTS ON ELEMENTALS
      CHINESE SPIRITS

      Best wishes,

      Dallas


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      -----Original Message-----
      From: M
      Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:49 PM
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      Subject: re Gurus and Chelas

      G.......wrote: <<No, Dallas, the guru explains the initial
      assumptions of the esoteric tradition to the chela, what
      Blavatsky calls "propositions," and then uses logic to
      develop the specifics from those unprovable assumptions.
      The very fact that the guru must tell something illogical or
      alogical to the student is WHY the student has to first
      agree to accept every word as truth, else the student will
      simply logically reject the unprovable propositions outright
      and get nowhere.

      Hey, ..., that kind of wording seems to make "sense,"
      even to me, apparently ... That Dallas seems to have a
      way of drawing out some nifty words from you, Gerald!
      Your use of "illogical or alogical" and "unprovable
      assumptions," etc, got me ... sort of drooling, almost. Hee
      hee. Ok, so who's the Guru around here? Well ... Uh ...
      ^:-) ...
      CUT
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