Re: Theos-World Re: HPB and the Bailey doctrines
- Hallo all of you,
Got mit uns,
Just to let you know.
At present - My problem is the below - coming from Alice A. Bailey (Esoteric
Psychology I, p.167). The word "NOT" was emphasized by me.
The first quote below (Problems of Humanity p. 162) is sort of sweet.
But the last quote below (Esoteric Psychology I, p.167), I just don't get.
My head starts spinning >:-)
With such a remark, as made by Bailey in the below, and supported by some
followers, one clearly will be creating, OR, indeed ARE creating problems
With the present attitude among the Bailey-followers towards the Middle
problems are created, for sure.
If the attitudes of the Bailey-followers are claimed to be proper and right
towards the Middle East, - then, I, a former Bailey-member just have to say,
that their Public Relations - stinks.
(Just a view: And this book: "A LEARNING EXPERIENCE" - by Mary Bailey, by
the way states, that the Bailey-followers ought not to turn the Bailey-books
in to a Bible-collection. --- And yet I have to say, I have seen a great
number of the Bailey-followers to exactly that. And if it is not the
Bailey-followers intention to do this, the Lucis Trust, certainly - badly
needs changing, when we talk PR - i.e. Public Relations).
Well, these are just views from a former Bailey-member.
And these issues are especially important, because - some- Bailey-groups
today have influences reaching deeply (and at high levels) into the United
Nations politics - and the Meditation Room at the United Nations Head
Quarters, which for some stranges reason - has not been placed somewhere in
the Middle East...!
Let us remember, and not forget, that we live in an information-society.
Any comments from pro-Bailey's on that one ?
Problems of Humanity p. 162
"The establishing of a measure of uniformity of procedure will not prove so
difficult once a measure of unity on the spiritual essentials has been
achieved. This carefully determined uniformity will aid men everywhere
to strengthen each other's work and enhance powerfully the stream of thought
energy which can be directed towards those spiritual Lives, working under
the Christ, Who stand expectantly waiting to come to the aid of humanity.
At present the Christian religion has its great Festivals; the Buddhist
keeps his particular set of spiritual events, and the Hindu has still
another list of holy days, as has also the Mohammedan. Is it not possible
that in the world of the future, men everywhere and of all faiths will
keep the same holy days and unite in honor of the same Festivals? This
will bring about a pooling of spiritual resources and a united spiritual
effort, plus a simultaneous spiritual invocation. The potency of this is
Esoteric Psychology I, p.167
"Every great religion which arises is under the influence of one or other of
the rays, but it does not necessarily follow that each successive ray
should have a great far-reaching religion as its outcome. We have heard
that Brahmanism is the last great religion which arose under first ray
influence; we do not know what may have been the religion which was the
outcome of the last second ray period; but the Chaldean, the Egyptian
and the Zoroastrian religions may be taken as representing the third,
the fourth, and the fifth rays respectively. Christianity and probably
Buddhism were the result of sixth ray influence. Mohammedanism, which
numbers so large a following, is also under sixth ray influence, but it
is NOT a great root religion, being a hybrid offshoot of Christianity
with the tinge of Judaism."
I will now return and listen to the speech "I've been to the Mountain Top"
by Martin Luther King Jr.
See you around or round...>:-)
M. Sufilight with a hope for PEACE on Earth...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeremy Condick" <jpcondick@...>
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: Theos-World Re: HPB and the Nazi doctrines
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zack Lansdowne" <zackl@...>
> To: <firstname.lastname@example.org>
> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 9:22 PM
> Subject: Theos-World Re: HPB and the Nazi doctrines
> > Bart wrote:
> > > Well, Blavatsky was long dead when the Nazi's started. Many attribute
> > > the statements of Alice Bailey, who, in spite of her spiritual
> > > connections, was something of a bigot (she felt Blacks were inferior,
> > > Jews deserved any bad thing that happened to them because of their
> > > rejection of Jesus, and that all homosexuals were inherently evil),
> > > made a number of statements supportive of the Nazi's.
> > >
> > I have the complete set of Alice Bailey's 24 books on CD-ROM, and so I
> > decided to check the accuracy of Bart's claim that Alice Bailey "made a
> > number of statements supportive of the Nazi's." By doing a search on
> > word "Nazi", I learned that Bailey, in her books, used this word exactly
> > nine times. The paragraphs in which she used this word are as follows:
> > 1) The dangers growing out of hate, revenge and pain. These dangers will
> > the most difficult to avoid. A deep-seated hatred of the Nazi regime
> > the German nation as endorsing that regime) is steadily rising. This is
> > almost inevitable, being based on the facts of Nazi activity. The task
> > the United Nations after the war will of necessity be-among other
> > protect the German people from the hate of those whom they have so
> > appallingly abused. This will be no easy thing to do. Retribution and
> > revenge must not be permitted, and yet at the same time a just payment
> > evil action cannot, and should not, be avoided. The law ever works, and
> > law states that whatsoever a man or nation sows, that shall it also
> > Germany has sown evil broadcast throughout the civilised world, and for
> > time to come her lot must be hard and she will have to pay in sweat and
> > and tears for her evil deeds. But this payment should be part of the
> > work of rehabilitation and not a vengeful exaction, and if this is borne
> > mind, no serious mistakes will be made. The German people must work
> > strenuously to put right the evil they have done, as far as in them
> > but the next generation-at present in the cradle or at school-must not
> > penalised. (Bailey, Externalization of the Hierarchy, pp. 370-371)...
> > The above paragraphs contain all of the instances in which Alice Bailey
> > the word "Nazi" in her 24 books. Nowhere do I see any justification for
> > Bart's claim that Alice Bailey "made a number of statements supportive
> > the Nazi's."
> > Zack Lansdowne.
> Dear Bart, I have done a search [nazism] looking for your suggestion that
> AAB was supportive of the Nazi Third Reich, yet have only come up with
> which alongside the work of Zack does not add support to your
> A passage from "Problems Of Humanity" AAB, is also included for your
> Kindest Regards
> "The ancient and inherited ideas which have controlled the racial life for
> centuries -aggression for the sake of possession and the authority of a
> or a group or a church which represents the State. For purposes of policy
> such powers may work behind the scenes but their tenets and motives are
> easily recognizable - selfish ambition and a violently imposed authority.
> Those ideas which are relatively new such as Nazism, Fascism, and
> though they are not really as new as people are apt to think. They are
> on one important point, i.e. The State or community of human beings counts
> as of importance whilst the individual does not; he can be sacrificed at
> time for the good of the State or for the so-called general good. 
> Destiny Of The Nations. AAB.
> It is here that the power of speech makes itself felt, just as in the
> department of religion or of education the power of the written word, of
> printed page, is felt. In the field of politics, the masses are swayed by
> their orators, and never more so than now through the use of the radio.
> Great ideas are dinned into the ear of the public without cessation -
> theories as to dictatorship, communism, nazism, fascism, marxism,
> nationalism and democratic ideals. Methods of rule by this or that group
> thinkers are presented to the public, leaving them no time for
> consideration, or for clear thinking. Racial antipathies are spread, and
> personal preferences and illusions find expression, bringing about the
> deception of the unthinking.  The man who has a golden tongue, the
> who has the gift of playing with words and can voice with emphasis
> grievances, the juggler in statistics, the fanatic with a certain and sure
> cure for social ills and the man who loves to fan race hatreds, can ever
> a following. Such men can with facility upset the balance of the community
> and lead a body of unthinking adherents to a transient success and power,
> to obloquy and oblivion. Education In New Age. AAB.
> Shamballa force (in spite of its attendant risks) to pour into the world.
> The objective was to stimulate the free will of the masses; the result
> them has been relatively good as it has led to the formulation and
> expression of the great world ideologies -Fascism,  Democracy and
> Communism as well as that peculiarly distorted blend of Fascism and
> Communism which goes by the name of Hitlerism or Nazism. All these
> ideologies are fostered by the desire of the masses for the betterment of
> the condition in which the populace in any country lives and it has become
> focused, expressive and creative by the force of the Shamballa influence.
> But another result of this inflow of the will-to-power has been to
> a certain group of outstanding personalities in many lands so that they
> assumed control of the masses and can thus determine the policies and
> methods -religious, political and social - of the different nations. In
> every nation a relatively small group of people decide all important
> and determine all major national activities. This they do either by force,
> terror and deception or by persuasion, fair words and the application of
> ideological motives. Externalisation Of The Hierarchy. AAB.
> These nations want understanding cooperation; they want the implements for
> agriculture, immediate relief in food and clothing, plus the wherewithal
> start again their educational institutions, to organize their schools and
> equip them with what is immediately required. They certainly do not want a
> horde of  well-meaning people taking over their educational or medical
> institutions, or imposing democratic, communistic or any other particular
> ideology upon them. Naturally, the principles of Nazism and of Fascism
> be swept away, but the nations must be free to work out their own destiny.
> They have each of them their own traditions, cultures and backgrounds.
> are being forced to build anew but what they build must be their own; it
> must be distinctive of them and an expression of their own inner life. It
> surely the function of the wealthier and free nations to help them to
> so that the new world can come into being." Problems Of Humanity. AAB.
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