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  • M. Sufilight
    Jan 30, 2012
      A few views...

      I tend to agree with you on this Jeremy.
      Come on ligthen up a little Jake .... seek to at least formulate...the
      relevancy of your views...


      M. Sufilight

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Jeremy Condick" <jpcondick2011@...>
      To: <theos-talk@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 9:32 PM
      Subject: RE: theos-talk Re: the Masonic Germain, Rakoczi question



      Thats quite a contempt you have there, Jake. Baseless personal bias and
      denial of course and certainly not considerate of occultism. JPC.



      > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
      > From: hozro@...
      > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 12:50:58 +0000
      > Subject: theos-talk Re: the Masonic Germain, Rakoczi question
      >
      > All this is worth about as much as Alice Bailey got for a tip in her
      > waitressing job. It would make a good fairy-tale though, she should writes
      > books on it.
      > - jake j.
      >
      > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Condick <jpcondick2011@...>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > > "The Master R. or Rakoczi, is the Hungarian Master, living at this time
      > > in Hungary, and is the Regent of Europe and America, under the "great
      > > Brotherhood." He works through various organizations and movements
      > > including Masonry. He is one of the Masters who take pupils." Treatise
      > > on Cosmic Fire. 457. AAB.
      > >
      > > "The Count de Saint-Germain left in the hands of this Mason certain
      > > documents relating to the history of masonry, and containing the key to
      > > more than one misunderstood mystery. He did so on the condition that
      > > these documents would become the secret heritage of all those
      > > descendants of the Kabbalists who became Masons." BCW XI 184.
      > >
      > > "The Count de Saint-Germain, is supposed to have been an Hungarian by
      > > birth." BCW III 123.
      > >
      > > "From time to time this strange being appeared in various European
      > > capitals, under various names—as Marquis de Montferrat; Count Bellamare,
      > > at Venice; Chevalier Schoening, at Pisa; Chevalier Weldon, at Milan;
      > > Count Saltikoff, at Genoa; Count Tzarogy, at Schwabach; and, finally, as
      > > Count de Saint-Germain." COUNT DE SAINT-GERMAIN 127. BCW III.
      > >
      > > "He then went under the name of Count Tzarogy, under which that his real
      > > name was Prince Rakoczy, prior to the confession that he was the last of
      > > that royal and unhappy line ...
      > > books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0787300950...
      > >
      > > books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=0766101010...Isabel Cooper-Oakley - 1997 -
      > > Biography & Autobiography - 256 pages
      > > The Graf Tzarogy had no servant of his own ; he dined as simply as
      > > possible in his ... It was impossible to persuade the Graf Tzarogy to
      > > dine at the Prince's table, ...
      > >
      > > "I certainly would not publish fragmentary details about the remarkable
      > > personality of Comte Saint-Germain; better to translate completely the
      > > book by Cooper-Oakley. I consider this work the best among those I have
      > > read about Saint Germain." LETTERS OF HELENA ROERICH VOL II P 266 40 17
      > > December 1936. Cooper-Oakley book c1912. See also BCW III Gloss.
      > >
      > > "The Master who concerns himself especially with the future development
      > > of racial affairs in Europe, and with the mental outgrowth in America
      > > and Australia, is the Master Rakoczi. He is a Hungarian, and has a home
      > > in the Carpathian mountains, and was at one time a well-known figure at
      > > the Hungarian Court. Reference to him can be found in old historical
      > > books, and he was particularly before the public eye when he was the
      > > Comte de St. Germain, and earlier still when he was both Roger Bacon and
      > > later, Francis Bacon. It is interesting to note that as the Master R.
      > > takes hold, on the inner planes, of affairs in Europe, his name as
      > > Francis Bacon is coming before the public eye in the Bacon-Shakespeare
      > > controversy. He is rather a small, spare man, with pointed black beard,
      > > and smooth black hair, and does not take as many pupils as do the
      > > Masters previously mentioned. He is at present handling the majority of
      > > the third ray pupils in the occident in conjunction with the Master
      > > Hilarion. The Master R. is upon the seventh Ray, that of Ceremonial
      > > Magic or Order, and he works largely through esoteric ritual and
      > > ceremonial, being vitally interested in the effects, hitherto
      > > unrecognized, of the ceremonial of the Freemasons, of the various
      > > fraternities and of the Churches everywhere. He is called in the Lodge,
      > > usually, "the Count," and in America and Europe acts Practically as the
      > > general manager for the carrying out of the plans of the executive
      > > council of the Lodge. Certain of the Masters form around the three great
      > > Lords an inner group, and meet in council with great frequency."
      > > Initiation Human and Solar. 59. c1920.
      > >
      > > "In a letter written by Count von Alvensleben to Emperor Frederick II,
      > > whose ambassador he was at Dresden, and dated June 25, 1777, the writer
      > > says that Count de Saint-Germain told him that he was known as Prince
      > > Rבkףczy.... Any connection with the House of Rבkףczy on the part of
      > > Count de Saint-Germain cannot be established by any accessible
      > > historical data or available documentary evidence, even though this idea
      > > may appeal to the imagination of certain students and serve as a
      > > suitable background for their speculations. We do not deny the
      > > possibility of such a connection, which may or may not have existed,
      > > subject to future disclosures. We simply warn the careful student not to
      > > accept on mere hearsay, alleged facts which, in reality, cannot be at
      > > present either proved or disproved by any tangible evidence." Collected
      > > Writings VOLUME III. GENERAL BIBLIOGRAPHY.
      > >
      > > "There exists the grave of Comte Saint-Germain, but, in fact, a
      > > substitute body is buried there." Letters Helena Roerich. II 219.
      > >
      > > "In some cases, a substitute would be buried, as it was, for instance,
      > > at the departure of Master R." Letters Helena Roerich. II 372.
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > > To: theos-talk@yahoogroups.com
      > > > From: hozro@...
      > > > Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2012 13:16:15 +0000
      > > > Subject: theos-talk Re:off topic-- Lama Dorgiev
      > >
      > >
      > > > "Master Rakocziwho" - this is Bailey Crapola. Some Carrithers student
      > > > you are, he would turn over in his grave (or funery urn.)
      > > > - jake j.
      > >
      > >
      > > > --- In theos-talk@yahoogroups.com, Jeremy Condick <jpcondick2011@>
      > > > wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > One of course recalls 'let America be free' as peeled forth by Count
      > > > > St Germain shortly to become Master Rakoczi. Also of the magnificent
      > > > > courage of HPB shooting the Papists, as a volunteer at the battle of
      > > > > Mentana! Moreover, of Lord Ripon and his Councillors, behind the
      > > > > veil, that is. JPC.
      > >
      > >
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