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, Jake Stratton-Kent <jakestrattonkent@...> wrote:
> On 21 June 2013 08:38, nagasiva yronwode <nagasiva@...> wrote:
> > >>> I'm interested in hearing the opinions pro and con regarding the
> > >>> decision by the USGL of the OTO to change the wording of Liber CCXX
> > >>> verse 3:37 to say "Aum! let it kill me!" to replace "Aum! let it fill
> > >>> me!"
> two points, nearly convergent with one another though not tied together:
> 1) Thelema is not the OTO. Every previous edition of AL has had 'fill'
> & obviously these fed into Thelema as a modern 'folk tradition', or
> Thelema as an influence on such 'folk traditions'. These are *by
> definition* independent of authority, or at least the particular one
> involved here. They are as valid as any other expression or
> involvement of Thelema in modern magic.
> Much the same might be said of Babalon as a 'modern folk magic
> goddess'; its gone beyond the reach of the 'authorities'; it will
> either sink or swim in the 'melting pot' process that determines what
> becomes important and influential and what doesn't...
> 2) throughout the 'fill' years and its influence, commentaries and
> publications of the Stele verses have included the 'kill' variant. So
> both readings have been available to those who went deep into such
> things, and both readings could potentially influence understanding -
> either simultaneously or separately. Plumping for just one - for those
> who conform to such rulings - is not a useful clarification but a
> contraction of potential.
> The former, more fluid situation, was preferable, as well as more realistic.
> I'd add that overwhelming consciousness - as in ritual - is as valid a
> technique as contracting and focusing it - as in yoga. In this
> respect, and likely in others, to 'fill' and to 'kill' have equal
> value & are potentially convergent. So again, the former situation was
> preferable and more replete with meaning.
I'm in concurrence with you, Mr.Kent, re your points made; that the OTO is not Thelema; that either word's value/meaning is valid in that consciousness contains All (if that is a proper interpretation of your statement). However I've never heard before of the kill word being on any interpretation/reading of the sTele before. Therefore i cannot comment on that.
I find NO value in the corporate OTO "declaring" that "this" is what it should be, whatever it is, and not "that," whatever it is, from some lofty oh so illuminated authoritarian announcement to, well, whatever the corporate mindset may declare. I was "in", sort of, the OTO for years; I had nothing but bad social experiences & no fraternity at all,to just put it mildly. Giving up the illusions that it touts in order to get people to join & give the corporate entity money it doesn't need, was the best thing I ever did for myself in recent years.
I'm an original Occupier; I don't con to corporatism. For all we really know, they just made it up in order to sell more stuff & create more attention. Create the need for the "correct" copy of the stele or other book/document & voila, some more sales. It's been done before.
These days, corporatism has only the trust and loyalty of the sheeple. I am NOT one of them. Sor Stellae